Kelsay

[Ever Since '86]

I unfairly directed most of the kelsay guff at you and apologize for that... your not one of the newbies spinning everything outa control as I may have just done a bit... havn't been paying attention to the poster lately... we both know kelsay is a backup... but he played like a starter yesterday... everyone is so fast to discredit a solid performance on just about anyone and everyone

[Zulu Cthulhu]

Thanks '86 and sorry for responding so snidely.

 

The unabashed kelsay love rubs me (and others on here) the wrong way. I can't "show love" to CK just because he isn't playing so horribly anymore. He transitioned from bad linebacker to mediocre defensive end, that is all. But defenders are right - he did play decent a lot yesterday. But that 3rd and long play was pivotal, and he missed ben.

 

Marcus Stroud has been roundly heckled here week after week too, but he had the same # of tackles and sacks as kelsay had yesterday. I don't see any "show stroud some love" threads yet.

[joejoebills]

Seemed like Kelsay had yet another solid game to me. It's a few weeks in a row now.

 

He still looks like a fish out of water when they run strange defenses that get him 20 yards downfield, but he played well off the edge and was applying consistent pressure. It's hard to sack Roethlisberger.

 

Give the man some love!

 

Its obvious to me that Chris Kelsay's new nickname should be "White Lightning"

 

He's playing GREAT!!!!

 

Go Bills

[Ever Since '86]

Thanks '86 and sorry for responding so snidely.

 

The unabashed kelsay love rubs me (and others on here) the wrong way. I can't "show love" to CK just because he isn't playing so horribly anymore. He transitioned from bad linebacker to mediocre defensive end, that is all. But defenders are right - he did play decent a lot yesterday. But that 3rd and long play was pivotal, and he missed ben.

 

Marcus Stroud has been roundly heckled here week after week too, but he had the same # of tackles and sacks as kelsay had yesterday. I don't see any "show stroud some love" threads yet.

 

agreed... other then filling a gap stroud has been mediocre at best... one solid positive I took from yesterday has been the play of the OLine... and did i hear correctly that Bell hasn't given up a sack this year???

[C.Biscuit97]

If Kelsay could finish half of some of the tackles he whiffs on, he'd be a pro bowler. Say what you want about the guy, but he doesn't seem to get in the backfield or in the right position to make plays. He just struggles to finish.

 

But for the $2 million he will make next year, he is at worst a very solid rotational guy.

[qdawg in philly]

Thanks '86 and sorry for responding so snidely.

 

The unabashed kelsay love rubs me (and others on here) the wrong way. I can't "show love" to CK just because he isn't playing so horribly anymore. He transitioned from bad linebacker to mediocre defensive end, that is all. But defenders are right - he did play decent a lot yesterday. But that 3rd and long play was pivotal, and he missed ben.

 

Marcus Stroud has been roundly heckled here week after week too, but he had the same # of tackles and sacks as kelsay had yesterday. I don't see any "show stroud some love" threads yet.

Did stroud get a new contract worth 24million?!

[C.Biscuit97]

agreed... other then filling a gap stroud has been mediocre at best... one solid positive I took from yesterday has been the play of the OLine... and did i hear correctly that Bell hasn't given up a sack this year???

 

Stroud has been playing with one arm. He isn't the player he was but he is still a very solid one. Plus, he is a big time leader in the locker room. And for a very young team, I think that certainly has a lot of value.

[JPS]

Thanks '86 and sorry for responding so snidely.

 

The unabashed kelsay love rubs me (and others on here) the wrong way. I can't "show love" to CK just because he isn't playing so horribly anymore. He transitioned from bad linebacker to mediocre defensive end, that is all. But defenders are right - he did play decent a lot yesterday. But that 3rd and long play was pivotal, and he missed ben.

 

Marcus Stroud has been roundly heckled here week after week too, but he had the same # of tackles and sacks as kelsay had yesterday. I don't see any "show stroud some love" threads yet.

I have been Stroud's biggest critic, and I have to admit that he, too has been showing up for at least 1/2 of the plays. But let's not get carried away on Stroud OR Kelsay, the Bills still gave up 200 on the ground yesterday. In order to be dominant, both must be replaced.

[Russ 'Em]

In my opinion they have Strouds replacement on the team. He finally got some playing time yesterday and looked pretty good. Can't wait for Carrington to get some more reps even though Dwan edwards had to go down in order to make it happen.

[JPS]

Stroud has been playing with one arm. He isn't the player he was but he is still a very solid one. Plus, he is a big time leader in the locker room. And for a very young team, I think that certainly has a lot of value.

Stroud anchors the worst run defense in the league. Maybe the worst run defense in recent memory. Solid?? There's no such thing as a "leader in the locker room". Without performance on the field, the locker room is hollow. And how would any of US know that he a leader? He's played better, but he still needs to be a backup.

[Ever Since '86]

Stroud has been playing with one arm. He isn't the player he was but he is still a very solid one. Plus, he is a big time leader in the locker room. And for a very young team, I think that certainly has a lot of value.

 

good point... can you put a price on leadership? if so how much does that cost

[Nuncha]

Seemed like Kelsay had yet another solid game to me. It's a few weeks in a row now.

 

He still looks like a fish out of water when they run strange defenses that get him 20 yards downfield, but he played well off the edge and was applying consistent pressure. It's hard to sack Roethlisberger.

 

Give the man some love!

 

Don't know how many times the guy gets close the the QB and MISSES the tackle! He needs to learn how to drive his body into the QB rather than reaching for him. He often gets close but misses which is frustrating to see.

[Zulu Cthulhu]

I have been Stroud's biggest critic, and I have to admit that he, too has been showing up for at least 1/2 of the plays. But let's not get carried away on Stroud OR Kelsay, the Bills still gave up 200 on the ground yesterday. In order to be dominant, both must be replaced.

 

+1 i completely agree with all of this.

 

My comment on stroud wasn't in his defense, i just brought him up as another who was playing out of position earlier in the year and sucking as loudly as kelsay. But why does kelsay get absolved by many here after two weeks of showing up, while stroud's marginal improvement is overlooked?

[Meathead]

for those of you interested in the facts i will be happy to supply them for you. for those who just want to continue to irrationally bash kelsay in an overt attempt to project your feelings of nfl inadequacy onto an undeserving patsy like you did guys like reuben brown, glenn parker, and others then please continue making a fool of yourself

 

lets review the fax, hmmm:

 

- kelsay got paid way too much in his first extension, lets just admit that. even he was surprised by the amount. dont know wth the bills were doing there but its not his fault they gave him too much dough

 

- the containment DE is a valid nfl position. you are not paid cuz you get lots of sacks. you get paid cuz youre a decent end who does everything else they ask of you reasonably well. most fans have absolutely no idea that a de who doesnt pile up sacks can still be quite valuable

 

- kelsay started out slowly, platooning with denny who was a little better than kelsay against the run. kelsay was more of a combo DE who was a little better against the pass. denny also played RDE while kelsay did not, where denny got most of his sacks against weaker tackles

 

- kelsay had his best season at DE last year ('09) and was arguably one of the bills best players. although he didnt see a massive jump in his stats, it was in no uncertain terms his breakout season as an above average starting combo DE

 

- the extension kelsay got recently was CEREMONIAL - if you look at the numbers he got almost NO RAISE just a measely 2mil bonus which is chickenshit for a starting nfl de. frankly im real surprised he accepted it as he could have gone to ANY TEAM and made more. so it appears to me he did the incredible and actually gave some of the previous fkn money back!!

 

- he is now paid like an average starting nfl DE

 

- for whatever reason they didnt want him to go right to playing DE in the 3-4 so he took one for the team and tried his hand at OLB. he sucked. bad. and they abandoned that experiment after seven games

 

- since then he has gone back to exactly the pattern he exhibited last season at DE - except hes getting even MORE consistent pressure on the qb

 

- everybody on the team loves him cuz he is a consummate professional and he has maintained the perfect attitude throughout all the crap he and the team has had to deal with

 

 

so really when somebody says kelsay:

 

- got paid so hes coasting

- was never any good

- has been lucky to start the past few years

- isnt worth the money hes being paid

- isnt a valuable leader

- sucks

 

... the only rational conclusion is

 

YOU HAVE GONE COMPLETELY INSANE!!

and love terrorists

 

so rules judge meathead, so it shall be

[Zulu Cthulhu]

Hilarious rant. Great use of 28 pt. font.

 

Question - since when does the right DE go against weaker tackles? The RDE plays opposite left tackles, usually the stronger OT of the two since they protect righty QBs' blindsides.

 

Please correct me judge meathead with more of your "facts", as i was blown away by your last batch.

[NaPolian8693]

Zulu Cthulhu:

 

Five total hundred posts over four years, yet any time I make a thread about Kelsay you know he's ready to pop off for a good dozen posts. Love it

[Swift Sylvan]

Hilarious rant. Great use of 28 pt. font.

 

Question - since when does the right DE go against weaker tackles? The RDE plays opposite left tackles, usually the stronger OT of the two since they protect righty QBs' blindsides.

 

Please correct me judge meathead with more of your "facts", as i was blown away by your last batch.

 

I would think that it would be easier for a right DE to get sacks than a left DE. Let's say the tackles are even, I would think that as most Qb's are right handed they will be able to see a LDE coming as oppose to a RDE (The blindside).

[wardigital]

Kelsay is occasionally formidable with his hand on the ground, which is where he should be. He is simply not made to be a linebacker and should not be put in that position, ever. He might be the worst athlete standing up right that I've ever seen before. With his hand on the ground and working an edge he is a bit better.

 

And, for weeks I've been saying: If you put Kelsay on the d-line at least he is going to miss his tackle 1 yard downfield instead of 6 yards downfield, potentially saving the team 5 yards every play simply by not screwing up so far down the dang field.

 

I would think that it would be easier for a right DE to get sacks than a left DE. Let's say the tackles are even, I would think that as most Qb's are right handed they will be able to see a LDE coming as oppose to a RDE (The blindside).

 

LT's are generally more athletic blockers, though, and because they are coming from the blind side a QB's step motion to release the ball is away from the RDE and their escapability also caters more often to running away from the RDE than it would the LDE.

 

Each position has its advantages.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

If they use him as a situational passrusher he will be worth the money because he has been getting a lot of pressure and tackles the past two weeks.

[mattsox]

Kelsay is a 4-3 DE not a 3-4 LB. George Edwards should have done a better job evaluating the players and realized the 3-4 is not gonna work with the personal we have. But kudos to him for finally waking up and realizing the 3-4 doesn't work. We are finally getting a halfway decent performance out of our D. Sure hope we draft LBs early and often in next years draft. Not sure who is available via FA either, but This team and be a force next season if they pay out the $$$ to get good.