milehiLou Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 lt jason peters lg derrick dockery c melvin fowler rg brad bulter rt bigbird walker to say the bills havnt done much to address the offensive line is preposterous, they have 100% changeover from the 2008 season. to say that hangartners signing last season didnt help two young early round picks would be wrong imo. cornell green is on par with walker or butler, with impressive looking late rounder kyle calloway in the wings, as well as youngsters bell and meredith (who will be battling it out come camp--competition makes us all better) who can play just about any position on the o line if the bills happen to pick up some stud lt along the way. the fact that both the last coaching staff and the present coaching staff had/have faith in bell is encouraging and meredith seems to be a solid tackle at worst. things could be a lot worse, remember http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1...87-eb5af85b9539 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hossage Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 That was a good pass blocking line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conch Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 lt jason peterslg derrick dockery c melvin fowler rg brad bulter rt bigbird walker to say the bills havnt done much to address the offensive line is preposterous, they have 100% changeover from the 2008 season. to say that hangartners signing last season didnt help two young early round picks would be wrong imo. cornell green is on par with walker or butler, with impressive looking late rounder kyle calloway in the wings, as well as youngsters bell and meredith (who will be battling it out come camp--competition makes us all better) who can play just about any position on the o line if the bills happen to pick up some stud lt along the way. the fact that both the last coaching staff and the present coaching staff had/have faith in bell is encouraging and meredith seems to be a solid tackle at worst. things could be a lot worse, remember http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1...87-eb5af85b9539 To say that they have not done much is not preposterous. Butler quit, Dockery was cut, Fowler was cut, Walker was cut and Peters did his flame thing. They have new players there simply because they had to field a team. Hangartner was a back up OL when we signed him, he started 07 due to injury and would not start the next season for carolina so they let him go. Green was about the 10th best RT available and that is being charitable. Meredith & Bell were on practice squads in 08. How do you call that addressing anything? It is picking scraps. Wood and Levitre were drafted because we had to pick an OL guy because we were simply out of bodies. As for Calloway, drafting guys in the 6th round is not addressing a need, it is simply filling depth with cheap labor. "Competition makes us better" is one of the most over used, over abused nonsensical sayings in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 To say that they have not done much is not preposterous. Butler quit, Dockery was cut, Fowler was cut, Walker was cut and Peters did his flame thing. They have new players there simply because they had to field a team. Hangartner was a back up OL when we signed him, he started 07 due to injury and would not start the next season for carolina so they let him go. Green was about the 10th best RT available and that is being charitable. Meredith & Bell were on practice squads in 08. How do you call that addressing anything? It is picking scraps. Wood and Levitre were drafted because we had to pick an OL guy because we were simply out of bodies. As for Calloway, drafting guys in the 6th round is not addressing a need, it is simply filling depth with cheap labor. "Competition makes us better" is one of the most over used, over abused nonsensical sayings in football. You lost me as soon as I read "Butler quit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conch Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 You lost me as soon as I read "Butler quit". Well what do you call it when he decided to no longer play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 lt jason peterslg derrick dockery c melvin fowler rg brad bulter rt bigbird walker to say the bills havnt done much to address the offensive line is preposterous, they have 100% changeover from the 2008 season. to say that hangartners signing last season didnt help two young early round picks would be wrong imo. cornell green is on par with walker or butler, with impressive looking late rounder kyle calloway in the wings, as well as youngsters bell and meredith (who will be battling it out come camp--competition makes us all better) who can play just about any position on the o line if the bills happen to pick up some stud lt along the way. the fact that both the last coaching staff and the present coaching staff had/have faith in bell is encouraging and meredith seems to be a solid tackle at worst. things could be a lot worse, remember http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1...87-eb5af85b9539 Ok. So they got new players, but they never IMPROVED the line. PS Hangamn is teh worst center in the league. Its safe to say the young guys made him look good - no the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Well what do you call it when he decided to no longer play? retire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Ok. So they got new players, but they never IMPROVED the line. Peters forced his way out of Buffalo with his actions prior to, and his play during, the 2008 season. So last year they drafted 2 rookie OL in the 1st 2 rounds, using a pick from the Peters trade. Butler getting injured and then retiring wasn't the Bills' fault. Moving Walker to LT and then cutting him before the season started was a mistake, but by the old regime. PS Hangamn is teh worst center in the league. Its safe to say the young guys made him look good - no the other way around. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 lt jason peterslg derrick dockery c melvin fowler rg brad bulter rt bigbird walker to say the bills havnt done much to address the offensive line is preposterous, they have 100% changeover from the 2008 season. to say that hangartners signing last season didnt help two young early round picks would be wrong imo. cornell green is on par with walker or butler, with impressive looking late rounder kyle calloway in the wings, as well as youngsters bell and meredith (who will be battling it out come camp--competition makes us all better) who can play just about any position on the o line if the bills happen to pick up some stud lt along the way. the fact that both the last coaching staff and the present coaching staff had/have faith in bell is encouraging and meredith seems to be a solid tackle at worst. things could be a lot worse, remember http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1...87-eb5af85b9539 I'll address your bolded text. There's a difference between addressing the OL and improving the OL. Let's take a look to see where actual resources were invested and improvements made. LT 2008: Peters. 2010: Bell. Result: a significant downgrade at the most important position on the OL. LG 2008: Dockery. 2010: Levitre. An improvement at LG which resulted from the use of a 2nd round pick. C 2008: Fowler. 2010: Hangartnar. Hangartnar was the 32nd ranked center in the league last year. But at least he was in the league, which I don't think is true of Fowler any longer. I'll credit them with making an improvement here; even if it was just a case of replacing one third-rate free agent signing with another. RG 2008: Butler. 2010: Wood. Both guys are or were good football players, but I'd have to give the edge to Wood at this point. We're getting good, solid play at RG because of the first round pick invested in the position. RT 2008: Walker. 2010: Green. This is a case of replacing one Raiders reject with another, older Raiders reject. I'm not exactly prepared to give them oodles and oodles of credit for having done that. The Bills' 2010 OL looks to be strong at both guard positions, and weak everywhere else--especially LT. The 2008 line was reasonably strong at LT, respectable at OG, sort-of respectable at RT, and abysmal at C. Overall, I think the 2008 line provided better pass protection than we're likely to see from the 2010 line. Perhaps in 2011 we'll have filled some of the existing holes (LT, C, RT) which would change the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhood716 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 ne one out there with me that we should have kept incognito? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 lt jason peterslg derrick dockery c melvin fowler rg brad bulter rt bigbird walker to say the bills havnt done much to address the offensive line is preposterous, they have 100% changeover from the 2008 season. to say that hangartners signing last season didnt help two young early round picks would be wrong imo. cornell green is on par with walker or butler, with impressive looking late rounder kyle calloway in the wings, as well as youngsters bell and meredith (who will be battling it out come camp--competition makes us all better) who can play just about any position on the o line if the bills happen to pick up some stud lt along the way. the fact that both the last coaching staff and the present coaching staff had/have faith in bell is encouraging and meredith seems to be a solid tackle at worst. things could be a lot worse, remember http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1...87-eb5af85b9539 Cornell Green is on a par with Walker or Butler? Not outside the Bizarro world. Profootballfocus has Green, after 12 games, at MINUS 8.0, Butler after only two games was PLUS 2.5 and Walker, after 5 games was MINUS 1.0, and that's after missing training camp. Seriously, Green might be a better choice than Walker if you're running the no-huddle, but short of that, Green is a journeyman. "Impressive late-rounder Kyle Calloway in the wings?" You're boasting about a seventh-round rookie? Man, clearly you are having to dig extremely deep to try to find anything decent. I'll definitely give you Fowler and the 2008 Dockery, though the 2007 Dockery was a damn good player, better than Levitre has been so far, though we all hope Levitre can develop into a much better player eventually. Peters was a thousand percent better than any LT we have now, Butler was a road grader, a very fine RG, though again, with a year or two it's very reasonable to hope that Wood can become a better player. But let's face it, we all know the interior is inexperienced at guard and questionable at center but basically shows the potential to be good, but the tackles just don't. That's the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 retire? Is he 65? Either word is legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Peters forced his way out of Buffalo with his actions prior to, and his play during, the 2008 season. So last year they drafted 2 rookie OL in the 1st 2 rounds, using a pick from the Peters trade. Butler getting injured and then retiring wasn't the Bills' fault. Moving Walker to LT and then cutting him before the season started was a mistake, but by the old regime. Peters could have been retained with a market level offer. That's far from the same as forcing your way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpl6876 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 lt jason peterslg derrick dockery c melvin fowler rg brad bulter rt bigbird walker to say the bills havnt done much to address the offensive line is preposterous, they have 100% changeover from the 2008 season. to say that hangartners signing last season didnt help two young early round picks would be wrong imo. cornell green is on par with walker or butler, with impressive looking late rounder kyle calloway in the wings, as well as youngsters bell and meredith (who will be battling it out come camp--competition makes us all better) who can play just about any position on the o line if the bills happen to pick up some stud lt along the way. the fact that both the last coaching staff and the present coaching staff had/have faith in bell is encouraging and meredith seems to be a solid tackle at worst. things could be a lot worse, remember http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1...87-eb5af85b9539 I think it was very foolish of you to try justify the Bills FO decisions regarding the OL. That is a losing battle and the posters here have acted accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Peters could have been retained with a market level offer. That's far from the same as forcing your way out. He was given a market level offer. He wanted to be paid as the top LT in the game. When he wasn't. And isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 I think it was very foolish of you to try justify the Bills FO decisions regarding the OL. That is a losing battle and the posters here have acted accordingly. Hang in there Lou. There's not a bowl of cheerios these guys won't p*ss in. Fact is they don't know what Buddy and Chan know and we're just going to have to wait and see how these guys play before we wail, moan and wring our hands about how horrible the line is. We are rebuilding. I wish the trolls would stop living in the past and wrap their heads around that. You can't fill every need in one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Peters forced his way out of Buffalo with his actions prior to, and his play during, the 2008 season. So last year they drafted 2 rookie OL in the 1st 2 rounds, using a pick from the Peters trade. Butler getting injured and then retiring wasn't the Bills' fault. Moving Walker to LT and then cutting him before the season started was a mistake, but by the old regime. Right. Thanks, I know I am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 lt jason peterslg derrick dockery c melvin fowler rg brad bulter rt bigbird walker to say the bills havnt done much to address the offensive line is preposterous, they have 100% changeover from the 2008 season. to say that hangartners signing last season didnt help two young early round picks would be wrong imo. cornell green is on par with walker or butler, with impressive looking late rounder kyle calloway in the wings, as well as youngsters bell and meredith (who will be battling it out come camp--competition makes us all better) who can play just about any position on the o line if the bills happen to pick up some stud lt along the way. the fact that both the last coaching staff and the present coaching staff had/have faith in bell is encouraging and meredith seems to be a solid tackle at worst. things could be a lot worse, remember http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1...87-eb5af85b9539 So change is improvement. Guess the Bills should cut the 4 remaining starters from last year and get even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Thanks, I know I am What you think you know and what you actually know, are completely different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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