NewEra Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Jordan is the 'greatest" of all time. But who's the "best", in your opinion and why? I've been having this discussion with a couple of my friends over the last few months, and I wanted to see other peoples takes on the matter. Vote if you watch basketball and have seen the 2 play a number of times, please. If you watch what Kobe has done on the court over the last 10 years, it is debatable. I see the greatest and the best as 2 different "titles" so to speak. Jordan was my favorite player growing up and I've watched way too many games in which Jordan played. He's the "greatest" due to what he did on the court + how many rings he has + what he did for the sport and the commercialization of sports in general. There will never be another Jordan. When I watch Kobe play, night after night (I live in Vegas and every Laker game is televised) I can't help but think "He's the best player I've ever seen". While Jordans 4th qtr heroics go without saying, Kobe does it better then anyone I've ever seen when the game's on the line. And he is the best player I've ever seen. I'm sure many people will say neither, who and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrcursed Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Except for last Sunday, though, right?? *is a Magic fan* Sorry, but to me Jordan was the better Basketball Player. Honestly, if I were starting a team and picking from current players, Kobe wouldn't even be my first choice, maybe not even my 2nd choice. No doubt a Hall of Famer, and also top 5 all-time, but not better than Jordan and when all is said and done, maybe not as good as Lebron either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLS_04forever Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 kobe isnt even the best player in the league right now, lebron is.......and magic johnson is the best player ever. take 8 scrubs, give four to jordan, four to magic.........magics team will win..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moovemtooelay Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 the only professional athlete I dislike more than brady is kobe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 Good to see we have some basketball fans amongst us. I love Magic, he helped make my favorite player of all times, James Worthy, into one of the games greatest. WHile Magic definitely made everyone around him better, he lacked in one department that Kobe and Jordan excel, Defense. Kobe and Jordan, in their primes were the best one on one defenders in the league. While LeBron is physically the freakiest basketball player, if not athlete, I've seen in all my years, Wilt and Shaq included, he doesn't have that killer instinct Jordan and Kobe had. He may eventually have it, but he doesn't right now. Before the Lakers had acquired Artest, Kobe would guard LeBron about 75% of the time (odom 25%), while LeBron would rarely guard Kobe. The best should be begging for that opportunity, but Lebron doesn't seem to want it. LeBrons accomplishments defensively are for his off the ball defense. His mid-range game is average at BEST. He's an incredible finisher and his ability to get to the rack is second to none. His passing is off the charts. He is amazing, the best athlete I've ever seen. This poll is about the best ever, not the best right now. LeBron MAY eventually be the best (needs get himself at least 2 rings 1st), but he's not even in the conversation right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrcursed Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Good to see we have some basketball fans amongst us. I love Magic, he helped make my favorite player of all times, James Worthy, into one of the games greatest. WHile Magic definitely made everyone around him better, he lacked in one department that Kobe and Jordan excel, Defense. Kobe and Jordan, in their primes were the best one on one defenders in the league. While LeBron is physically the freakiest basketball player, if not athlete, I've seen in all my years, Wilt and Shaq included, he doesn't have that killer instinct Jordan and Kobe had. He may eventually have it, but he doesn't right now. Before the Lakers had acquired Artest, Kobe would guard LeBron about 75% of the time (odom 25%), while LeBron would rarely guard Kobe. The best should be begging for that opportunity, but Lebron doesn't seem to want it. LeBrons accomplishments defensively are for his off the ball defense. His mid-range game is average at BEST. He's an incredible finisher and his ability to get to the rack is second to none. His passing is off the charts. He is amazing, the best athlete I've ever seen. This poll is about the best ever, not the best right now. LeBron MAY eventually be the best (needs get himself at least 2 rings 1st), but he's not even in the conversation right now. I should have clarified in my post, I'm an Orlando Magic fan, not a Magic Johnson fan (although I did like Magic as a player). That was why I referenced last Sunday's game. It was one of the best games I've ever watched. I like Kobe as a player, and like I said, he's got to be 2nd or 3rd best player in the league right now. I just don't think his accomplishments or skill were quite as good as Jordans. Tough to compare because of the differences in the game, but I still lean towards MJ. Cool thread, btw. Good to see there are still some NBA fans left. Over the years, the players have diminished the Leagues repuation, but I still enjoy watching. Dwight Howard, aside from his impressive talent, is a great person and does tons for the community. He's a breath of fresh air for the League for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prenzoni Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 kobe isnt even the best player in the league right now, lebron is.......and magic johnson is the best player ever. take 8 scrubs, give four to jordan, four to magic.........magics team will win..... Unless one of Magic's 4 scrubs is a lock down defender, Jordan's team wins by a ton. There is no way Magic could guard Jordan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Kobe is the greastest rapist ever to play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 You seriously had to throw this question up here? I now bow out of thread before I get myself in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 Don't bow out John, let's hear it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 Kobe is the greastest rapist ever to play the game. oh yeah...he raped the girl that had her underwear examined. The examination showed 3 different guys sperm on it. That's one pair of underwear, not all of her underwear. He raped her, lol. Yeaaaaaah!!! You're one of THOSE guys huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 For traveling and palming the ball? For not having fouls called against them? Yup they’re both the greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 How about Bill Russell? 11 championships. Just think about that for a second. 11. Plus, the greatest defensive player to ever live. When most people talk greatest ever, they only think of offense (which Russell had by the bushel) but 50% of the game is preventing the other team from scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 For traveling and palming the ball? For not having fouls called against them? Yup they’re both the greatest. neither of those two things have anything to do with hitting the clutch shot...they hit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 neither of those two things have anything to do with hitting the clutch shot...they hit them. No doubt. Never said that or implied that. So you dont think there's "special rules" for the NBA's elite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 No doubt. Never said that or implied that. So you dont think there's "special rules" for the NBA's elite? of course...I think the NBA should have the same rules as the NCAA, and enforce them across the board. But even in the NCAA, calls vary from day to day, official to official...that's true even in high school ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 of course...I think the NBA should have the same rules as the NCAA, and enforce them across the board. But even in the NCAA, calls vary from day to day, official to official...that's true even in high school ball. Speaking of NCAA. 64 or 96? I like it the way it is. Sure some teams get shafted, but that wont change even if they did add more teams. Its watered down enough already, no? Its all about the money, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Speaking of NCAA. 64 or 96? I like it the way it is. Sure some teams get shafted, but that wont change even if they did add more teams. Its watered down enough already, no? Its all about the money, dude. 64...but I'd get rid of the automatic bids, those teams although sentimental cinderella stories are just cannon fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 64...but I'd get rid of the automatic bids, those teams although sentimental cinderella stories are just cannon fodder. I know it's rare that one of the auto bid teams goes anywhere, but the George Mason run to the Final Four was one of the best sports stories of the decade. Just sayin. Also, I enjoy the sense of egalitarianism that goes along with the conference tournaments, then the NCAA tournament. No matter how small or seemingly insignificant your team is, if they keep winning they keep playing. I think that's sorta cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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