BuffaloBlood Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 I know that the Bills use the Cash to the Cap philosophy but I have no clue what it means. Can someone please explain what it is for me and what other teams use it? Please and Thank You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 It's just the name for the internal mechanism designed to manage cash flow. It means if they pay a guy a bonus, they count the whole bonus (the cash) against the cap, rather than amortizing it over the life of the contract (which NFL rules allow). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocwocka Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 It's just the name for the internal mechanism designed to manage cash flow. It means if they pay a guy a bonus, they count the whole bonus (the cash) against the cap, rather than amortizing it over the life of the contract (which NFL rules allow). wow, i never really knew what that meant either. so, if we cut a player (that we used this approach with), there is no cap hit? damn, i guess we can get away with cutting some over payed bums then? get er done, Buddy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 I'm interested to see clump's salary cap page when it comes out, to see what the Bills cash to the cap will be this upcoming season. I honestly think the Bills came out with the cash to cap policy to appease the fans who realized we weren't being very competetive when it came to spending on players. Truth be told, I'm not convinced the Bills (Ralph) are going to spend anywhere near what it'll take to be competetive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 cash to cap is the Bills way of not spending all that is available to them the Bills were not big players when hiring their new GM or head coach although they would like you to believe they were the Bills will not be big players in free agency, expect 3rd tier free agents at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cash2cap Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 cash to cap is the Bills way of not spending all that is available to them the Bills were not big players when hiring their new GM or head coach although they would like you to believe they were the Bills will not be big players in free agency, expect 3rd tier free agents at best Cash 2 Cap is Ralph's way of keeping more of your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Cash 2 Cap is Ralph's way of keeping more of your money. i'm trying to get my head around this. when you give it to him, isn't it his? or have the bills been taken over by the federal government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Wow, you guys do realize the Bills come out spending salary cap money in the middle of the pack right? So they don't spend less than everyone else for the illiterate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey greco Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Of course it's his. It's just a means of comparison. Other teams spend the entire cap (based on the league TV deal) plus own team revenues. The Bills spend only TV deal money, and don't even spend all of that. It gives rise to the cheap label, which Ralph absolutely is. Inevitably, someone will come up with the 12th highest payroll in 2009. Is that cap number or actual dollars spent? Because I think cash to cap would have a major effect on those numbers compared to those who actually use the flexibility of the CBA. Don't know what USA Today uses to come up with their numbers though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Cash 2 Cap is Ralph's way of keeping more of your money. http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Sports/nfl-salaries.php Bills rank in player salary in 2009: 16/32... They dont underspend or overspend, they just pay the wrong players. Enter Buddy Nix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Sports/nfl-salaries.php Bills rank in player salary in 2009: 16/32... They dont underspend or overspend, they just pay the wrong players. Enter Buddy Nix. Ah a bit of sanity, now carry on talking about how cheap Ralph is on player salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey greco Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Ok, again, what do they use to come up with those numbers. The Bills use cash to cap, so bonuses play differently from everybody else. When those are taken into account where do the Bills rank? I'd guess significantly lower, although I don't know and am not spergy enough to look it up. But all those teams that don't use cash to cap accounting spend significantly more in real dollars than the Bills do. So yeah, let's talk about how cheap Ralph is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Ok, again, what do they use to come up with those numbers. The Bills use cash to cap, so bonuses play differently from everybody else. When those are taken into account where do the Bills rank? I'd guess significantly lower, although I don't know and am not spergy enough to look it up. But all those teams that don't use cash to cap accounting spend significantly more in real dollars than the Bills do. So yeah, let's talk about how cheap Ralph is. Scroll up 1 or 2 posts tops and click on the link, that is total money spent. Not a hard concept to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey greco Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Scroll up 1 or 2 posts tops and click on the link, that is total money spent. Not a hard concept to grasp. Right, total money spent. That year. Cash to cap means that any money spent, including bonuses, are counted in that year. Other teams amortize. So other teams spend more actual money, and count it for less, according to the CBA. So Ralph looks like he spends more in comparison to his competitors than he actually does. He's cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Right, total money spent. That year. Cash to cap means that any money spent, including bonuses, are counted in that year. Other teams amortize. So other teams spend more actual money, and count it for less, according to the CBA. So Ralph looks like he spends more in comparison to his competitors than he actually does. He's cheap. You might have a point if those figures didn't include past amortizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey greco Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 You might have a point if those figures didn't include past amortizations. Do they? Is there a reference for what is actually included in those numbers? Serious post, I don't know what's included and what isn't, which is why I posted as such prior. In any event, there is a reason why Ralph uses cash to cap and successful teams don't, and it sure ain't because the Bills want to spend more to be better on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Do they? Is there a reference for what is actually included in those numbers? Serious post, I don't know what's included and what isn't, which is why I posted as such prior. In any event, there is a reason why Ralph uses cash to cap and successful teams don't, and it sure ain't because the Bills want to spend more to be better on the field. Yes and several teams use cash to cap now. Buffalo consistently ranks in the middle in cash spent (one really low year IIRC), but on average in the middle. There is no debating this, Ralph spends the average on salaries for players. Coaches and you might have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 wow, i never really knew what that meant either. so, if we cut a player (that we used this approach with), there is no cap hit? damn, i guess we can get away with cutting some over payed bums then? get er done, Buddy... My question about this has always been, does the NFL count the hit against the cap when the player is cut. or when the Bills actually paid that money? In other words, can the Bills decide to take that hit when the bonus is paid, or do NFL cap rules dictate the hit be divided by the number of years on the contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 My question about this has always been, does the NFL count the hit against the cap when the player is cut. or when the Bills actually paid that money? In other words, can the Bills decide to take that hit when the bonus is paid, or do NFL cap rules dictate the hit be divided by the number of years on the contract? This, although I misspoke on the amortization a bit earlier, those are the total expenditures of the team (my point stands though as the Bills are consistently around the middle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 This, although I misspoke on the amortization a bit earlier, those are the total expenditures of the team (my point stands though as the Bills are consistently around the middle). Yes, that's what I suspected (about when the hit counts against the cap). The Ralph is cheap bashing gets pretty old, when it isn't supported by the facts. He certainly isn't the leagues biggest spender, nor is he at the bottom. If he was more like Danial Snyder the Bills would likely no longer be in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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