N.Y. Orangeman Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 " The New Orleans Saints aren't actively shopping left tackle Jammal Brown, but they would listen to offers for the two-time Pro Bowl blocker. Brown missed the team's entire Super Bowl season with a hip injury. And while replacement Jermon Bushrod struggled down the stretch, Saints officials feel the three-year veteran has a good future. …" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishouldbegm Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 " The New Orleans Saints aren't actively shopping left tackle Jammal Brown, but they would listen to offers for the two-time Pro Bowl blocker. Brown missed the team's entire Super Bowl season with a hip injury. And while replacement Jermon Bushrod struggled down the stretch, Saints officials feel the three-year veteran has a good future. …" they are letting sharper test FA, maybe whitner+ picks ,3rd this year and next? get a qb and nt in 1st and 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Brown is RFA too, what tender did her get? It'd cost you a 2 to sign Bushrod and I don't know for Brown, presumably a 1, unless there was another trade worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I say if he passes a physical and can be had for our 2nd rounder, I pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Does anyone know how bad his injury is? Could he even play this season? He was a PBer in the past, but so was Peters. We better do our HW on this issue and make a move if its a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Brown is RFA too, what tender did her get? It'd cost you a 2 to sign Bushrod and I don't know for Brown, presumably a 1, unless there was another trade worked out. 1 and 3 was the tender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Does anyone know how bad his injury is? Could he even play this season? He was a PBer in the past, but so was Peters. We better do our HW on this issue and make a move if its a good deal. It was a sports hernia, not a hip injury if I remember correctly. They felt he was going to miss a large portion of the year, so they shelved him back in august. He was mad because he thought he would be able to play before the seasons end, and didnt want to miss his contract year. the real injury you have to worry about is a chronic back injury that dates back long term. could be nothing, could be something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Sign and trade for him give up Whitner to help out their secondary, give them a 3rd round pick this season and a 5th round pick next season that could escalate up to another 3rd depending on what Brown does (EG starts, probowl, things like that). I feel like this fits a need and makes it so that we can focus on other needs with pick 9 and 41 (Like NT, QB, and RT). Brown is a good player who can come in right away. I think its a fair deal the Saints get a decent safety in Whitner and additional picks I don't think the Saints will be getting a much better offer then that for him. I think its fair value for a player that missed all of last season. I don't see another team making a better offer then that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Sign and trade for him give up Whitner to help out their secondary, give them a 3rd round pick this season and a 5th round pick next season that could escalate up to another 3rd depending on what Brown does (EG starts, probowl, things like that). I feel like this fits a need and makes it so that we can focus on other needs with pick 9 and 41 (Like NT, QB, and RT). Brown is a good player who can come in right away. As happy as there fans are, they would burn down the dome if that deal happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 As happy as there fans are, they would burn down the dome if that deal happened. Well you don't listen to your fans. Teams covet draft picks and a 3rd and a 5th (One that could escalate to another 3rd) along with a player that fills a need in Whitner is a nice haul for a player that never played a snap last season and who they won a SB without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Well you don't listen to your fans. Teams covet draft picks and a 3rd and a 5th (One that could escalate to another 3rd) along with a player that fills a need in Whitner is a nice haul for a player that never played a snap last season and who they won a SB without. Whitner doesnt fill a need. The team is high on 2 drafted players -- Chip Vaughn is a big Gregg Williams favorite, and Malcolm Jenkins is likely to slide into the safety rotation. You are offering a trade of an average safety (not currently a position of need), a third and a fifth for a two-time probowl left tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 He is going to want a big payday and I could see the saints not wanting to do that, they have a lot of players who need to get paid over the next few years. . I think turns 30 next year. I guess you could see him dealt . Somoene mentioned a two , I bet that would get it done. Now we would have to pay him . That said, a first rate left tackle on board opens up a lot more draft scenerios . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manbeast Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Does anyone know how bad his injury is? Could he even play this season? He was a PBer in the past, but so was Peters. We better do our HW on this issue and make a move if its a good deal. Is Peter's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I would absolutely do it for a 2. Like bkc said, it would allow all kinds of different scenarios in the draft................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manbeast Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Whitner doesnt fill a need. The team is high on 2 drafted players -- Chip Vaughn is a big Gregg Williams favorite, and Malcolm Jenkins is likely to slide into the safety rotation. You are offering a trade of an average safety (not currently a position of need), a third and a fifth for a two-time probowl left tackle. Whitner is not Elite but he is good not average. If our depth was as good on the rest of the team as the secondary we would be undefeated every year. Please stop talking out your arse. If they are high on Bushrod I believe they would take the trade. Although I have not had a chance to check myself I have heard places other than this board say that he can't handle elite DEs so I don't see why a team that is limited as to who they can sign letting a pro-bowl OT go. Only stupid teams trade Pro bowl LTs without a replacement. I do not believe Brown is peters caliber so I would not give a first for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Whitner is not Elite but he is good not average. If our depth was as good on the rest of the team as the secondary we would be undefeated every year. Please stop talking out your arse. If they are high on Bushrod I believe they would take the trade. Although I have not had a chance to check myself I have heard places other than this board say that he can't handle elite DEs so I don't see why a team that is limited as to who they can sign letting a pro-bowl OT go. Only stupid teams trade Pro bowl LTs without a replacement. I do not believe Brown is peters caliber so I would not give a first for him. Im a season ticket holder in new orleans, and have watched every bills game since i was about 8..... Whitner is middle of the pack as far as safeties go. Im not a whitner hater, he is a starting caliber player in this league. Jammal Brown -- 2008 stats -- 3 sacks allowed, highest rushing average in league behind a LT. Two time probowler. The gap between those players is FAR MORE then a 3 and a 5 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Im a season ticket holder in new orleans, and have watched every bills game since i was about 8..... Whitner is middle of the pack as far as safeties go. Im not a whitner hater, he is a starting caliber player in this league. Jammal Brown -- 2008 stats -- 3 sacks allowed, highest rushing average in league behind a LT. Two time probowler. The gap between those players is FAR MORE then a 3 and a 5 next year. no doubt he is a first rate left tackle . His value dips a bit due to age, contract status and the incredible amount of players who the saints are going to have to pay over the next two years otherwise they would not even consider moving him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Im a season ticket holder in new orleans, and have watched every bills game since i was about 8..... Whitner is middle of the pack as far as safeties go. Im not a whitner hater, he is a starting caliber player in this league. Jammal Brown -- 2008 stats -- 3 sacks allowed, highest rushing average in league behind a LT. Two time probowler. The gap between those players is FAR MORE then a 3 and a 5 next year. Well I would have it so that the 5th next season is escalating up to a 2nd round pick if Brown makes the pro bowl and other conditions. Getting 2 picks plus a solid player for a guy coming off an injury that sidelined him for a season and a guy who is going to be demanding a big contract plus he isn't super young. I think its a fair option for the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 no doubt he is a first rate left tackle . His value dips a bit due to age, contract status and the incredible amount of players who the saints are going to have to pay over the next two years otherwise they would not even consider moving him Agreed. Like I said, there is also tension in the relationship. Whitner, little to no value in nola. Even if the saints lose sharper, Gregg has designed this system for a ballhawking FS that can produce 7-10 turnovers. Is that Donte? No. Doesn't make him bad, just not a fit or need. If the saints would want a bills player I would look to Kyle Williams. Knowing both teams inside out, it's the almost the only one that would make sense. If the trade was straight picks, look for a first... Maybe Williams and a 2 or 3. Whitner is not a probowler, not at a premiere position, and not a need for the saints. Bushrod was awful and jeopardized far to many games this year. He was either getting beat or taking backs/te out of pass patterns to help him. A major weakpoint on a very dynamic offense. Why trade a probowl LT for a marginal upgrade at safety and a huge downgrade at tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Well I would have it so that the 5th next season is escalating up to a 2nd round pick if Brown makes the pro bowl and other conditions. Getting 2 picks plus a solid player for a guy coming off an injury that sidelined him for a season and a guy who is going to be demanding a big contract plus he isn't super young. I think its a fair option for the Saints. a second next year and a third this year translates into the value of about a second this year. Whitner is not of value to new Orleans, they are stacked in there secondary also, and the general consensus is that sharper will likely be back still. I know I can't link to a schefter article -- I live in new Orleans. Players live in the same building as me. There are about a dozen guys on the team on the same block as me. did you see the video of drew brees at the bar teaching his chant? I was there, it's about 200 yards from my condo and A LOT of players go there regularly. I have friends in the front office. I say this not to brag but to let you know when it comes to the saints, I can give better then average insight. The hope and expectation is that sharper will be back. Things happen but I'd say it's likely, perhaps very likely.You are very generous offering the value of a second round pick and an unneeded player IF brown can meet a condition of producing as a probowler next year. What you don't realize that if freeney was healthy, bushrod would have probably cost the saints the superbowl, he did cost them Dallas, and hurt them badly in numerous games. Bushrod didn't play in a game this year becuase the staff benched him for performance issues. If your looking for a player to include, I mentioned Kyle Williams as a player, aaron schobel might be another they could use to replace Charles grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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