bluv Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 If the Bills had waited, Frazier would have been a much better sale than Gailey (Chan could have been the O-coordinator no problem though!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 If the Bills had waited, Frazier would have been a much better sale than Gailey (Chan could have been the O-coordinator no problem though!) Yes. Another completely inexplicable move by the Bills, from way out in left field. Bills 2010 - 5-11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Fraser's team lost, he sucks. Am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Frazier looks alot like Jauron minus playmakers on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 If the Bills had waited, Frazier would have been a much better sale than Gailey (Chan could have been the O-coordinator no problem though!) Better sale? We won't know what kind of a HC he will be until he actually becomes one. His defense was quite good. I thought they contained Brees, for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 Frazier looks alot like Jauron minus playmakers on defense. If it wasn't for turnovers the Saints wouldn't have scored but 2 TD's! He had his team ready. Overall, no matter what, he would have been a better sale at head coach than Gailey; especially after this game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 Better sale? We won't know what kind of a HC he will be until he actually becomes one. His defense was quite good. I thought they contained Brees, for the most part. Who knows; Gailey might be a hit as well. But while they wanted a coach with previous head coaching experience, Gailey is not what most had in mind! While I am not anti-Gailey and will give him a chance, Frazier would have been a much better sale and we could have hired a good offensive coordinator (I could have settled for Gailey). We will see in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtl3302 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 He could be a good HC, who knows? I would've stuck with Fewell over Frazier though! NO scored 27 against our D with our players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 yeah we SHOULD'VE waited for frazier, cause he WOULD'VE been better than Chan, and we COULD'VE done better blah, blah, blah, Chan has gotten his teah to the playoffs 11 out of 15 tries, get off his back and give him a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 The Bills could've had both Frazier and Gailey. That's what kills me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 If it wasn't for turnovers the Saints wouldn't have scored but 2 TD's! He had his team ready. Overall, no matter what, he would have been a better sale at head coach than Gailey; especially after this game! By "better sale" do you mean better PR choice and/or more fan-appreciated choice? I'm sure optics figured into the discussion after this season's disappointments, I am definitely not sure that the fan choice is unequivocally the best football choice. Frazier may yet be a great coach, but I'm less certain he would have been the right coach for this team. He would have been coming into his first shot as the #1 person responsible for gameday decisions. He would have had to oversee an offense for the first time, even if he had a hands-off approach and left things to a notable coordinator like Saunders. (If this had been the case, would the offense have been in better hands with Saunders than with Gailey?) The offense has needed fixing for years and the Bills brought in an experienced hand and a guy who has done more with less. Defensively, I will be happy to see us abandon the Tampa 2, and preferably move towards a hybrid D that will adjust to opponents' strengths and weaknesses. I'm not sure we'd have seen that with Frazier, and I definitely don't think we've got the personnel to make the Tampa 2 a success in the world of outdoor, cold-weather football. Gailey's got a winning record at all levels and two playoff appearances in two years at HC in the NFL. I'm going to give Gailey a shot, and unless you've got Tuesday's Mega Millions numbers, I don't think either one of us can say who will be a more successful head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 The Bills could've had both Frazier and Gailey. That's what kills me. Prove it. There's nothing to suggest that Gailey was necessarily looking for another OC job. Maybe he was, but no reports indicated he was eagerly interviewing for those positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 The Bills could've had both Frazier and Gailey. That's what kills me. EXACTLY! If Chan is great enough to be a head coach that can rescue the Bills then having a D coordinator such as Frazier (or I'd kept Fewell!) would have given us a btter combo but time will tell. I'm not bashing Chan (I'm willing to give him a chance!) as much as I think we could have gotten more bang for the buck. Its like picking a player in the 1st round that you could have had gotten in the 2nd or 3rd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Prove it. There's nothing to suggest that Gailey was necessarily looking for another OC job. Maybe he was, but no reports indicated he was eagerly interviewing for those positions. I can't prove it. But don't you think the Bills could've hired Frazier to be HC and Gailey as OC? Gailey clearly was looking for work and with Buffalo being the only coahing opening, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think he could've been brought on board to be OC. He's calling his own plays anyways and he's always been thought of as a good OC but a poor HC. Makes sense, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 By "better sale" do you mean better PR choice and/or more fan-appreciated choice? I'm sure optics figured into the discussion after this season's disappointments, I am definitely not sure that the fan choice is unequivocally the best football choice. Frazier may yet be a great coach, but I'm less certain he would have been the right coach for this team. He would have been coming into his first shot as the #1 person responsible for gameday decisions. He would have had to oversee an offense for the first time, even if he had a hands-off approach and left things to a notable coordinator like Saunders. (If this had been the case, would the offense have been in better hands with Saunders than with Gailey?) The offense has needed fixing for years and the Bills brought in an experienced hand and a guy who has done more with less. Defensively, I will be happy to see us abandon the Tampa 2, and preferably move towards a hybrid D that will adjust to opponents' strengths and weaknesses. I'm not sure we'd have seen that with Frazier, and I definitely don't think we've got the personnel to make the Tampa 2 a success in the world of outdoor, cold-weather football. Gailey's got a winning record at all levels and two playoff appearances in two years at HC in the NFL. I'm going to give Gailey a shot, and unless you've got Tuesday's Mega Millions numbers, I don't think either one of us can say who will be a more successful head coach. I'm willing to give Gailey a shot but please don't drink One Bills Drive kool aid and try to sale this hire to me as being a great one! Its like trying to sell Kyle Orton to me as being the answer to the Bills woes at QB: It might work out, I'd give him a try but it definitely is not a great move by any means more than it is a reach that you hope works out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Who wouldn't be a good DC with that defense? Please. Now he may eventually become a great HC. But to say he'd have been a better choice is specious at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Imagine the further humiliation when Frazier turns down the Bills job offer. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I'm willing to give Gailey a shot but please don't drink One Bills Drive kool aid and try to sale this hire to me as being a great one! Its like trying to sell Kyle Orton to me as being the answer to the Bills woes at QB: It might work out, I'd give him a try but it definitely is not a great move by any means more than it is a reach that you hope works out! Did I say "great" in reference to Gailey anywhere in my post? Please point it out to me and I'll delete it. BTW just because Orton is not an answer to their woes doesn't mean he's not better than any QB the Bills have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Fraser's team lost, he sucks. Am I right? You would suck too when you have Bret at 40 throwing across his body & doing the same stupid stuff he did all of his career. Adrian fumbling over and over . I am surprised that Frasier keep them in the game to win that.....Damn his defense was tough. To Bad, Farve killed them, I can imagine the moans by the Viking fans when there is only 12 seconds left and Bret tries to be Superman instead of throwing the ball away ......................Nice Job Frazier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 Did I say "great" in reference to Gailey anywhere in my post? Please point it out to me and I'll delete it. BTW just because Orton is not an answer to their woes doesn't mean he's not better than any QB the Bills have OK you didn't say great; does that make you happy? You were however trying to sell Gailey accolades like this is was a good hire. It might prove to be but from the oneset it is about as good as Jauron's hire: hiring a retread coach who has had little success; a least give Fraizer a chance to fail - as a head coach! I as many would be more willing to give a rookie coach or QB more slack than a proven retread - at losing! Bottom line: I'll give Gailey a chance and we'll see in 2010 but if we had not rushed we probably could have gotten a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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