Mike Williams vs Bryant McKinnie

[Enemarty]

I think you need to get your head examined. You say some really absurd things. McKinnie will be starting at left tackle in the NFL for many more years. A bust? Nonsense. You were wrong about defending the Williams pick at the time. We get it. So what? It's over, there are no points gained either way. Be a smart fan, not an idiot.

 

And for the guy that started this thread.....seriously, give it up. Nobody in their right mind buys this argument. He got benched because he was having a bad game against arguably the most talented(but enigmatic) DE in the NFL.

 

Rather than trying to defend the bad picks of this organization, fans should just face the facts. The Bills have made some poor choices in round 1 this decade.

 

When you can't protect your QB, you draft the LT, not the RT. When you can't stop the run, you draft the DT, not the SS. When your line play is poor, you don't use the #11 pick on a RB. When you can hardly stock your roster with NFL quality players, don't trade up to fill positions of need with players who don't warrant being drafted there(McCargo,Poz).

 

And for chrissake, don't be afraid to trade back. The last time this team traded back in round 1 they ended up with Clements/Schobel/Henry/Jennings on day 1. The excuses people have made to defend this organization are ridiculous. Yeah, there are exceptions to the rule. But the teams that successfully overdraft easily filled positions are teams that already have their foundations in place.

 

And lastly, don't let your good players get away in free agency so that you have to waste another 1st round pick to draft a player that MIGHT in 3 years be as good as the guy you are letting go. That is retarded. Either sign them before hand, or pay the market rate.

 

[sharper802]

In all likelihood, McKinnie would have washed out of here like Williams did, because the Bills have sucked at developing offensive talent this decade. Name the last homegrown offensive player to make 3 or more pro bowls (or is on his way towards doing so)?

Jason Peters

[Bill from NYC]

If it were that simple, they would have made it elsewhere. Williams was a bad pick initially because the Bills needed a LT. People forget that Jonas Jennings had an outstanding season at RT as a rookie. Jennings wasn't nearly the same player at LT. McKinnie was the obvious pick. Williams was obviously not going to be a LT and also had a balkly knee. RT's are also much easier to find, and making an unproven RT the highest paid player in your franchise history was silly. THEN, Williams washed out COMPLETELY because he didn't have the motivation/desire.

 

Donahoe let his ego get in the way. He didn't appreciate people pointing out that McKinnie was the OBVIOUS pick for about 6 months prior to draft day. He would get on the radio, someone would mention McKinnie and he would get bent. In November, McKinnie was actually on the cover of SHOUT magazine because it was that obvious that he was the top prospect at the critical LT position that the Bills were desperately in need of filling. It really could not have been more clear. McKinnie didn't materialize into a HOF'er, but he has been good to very good for a long time and will be for longer still. What is truly disgusting is that they lucked into another top LT in Peters and an entirely different group of management douchebags blew that too.

 

Keep posting here, please.

[Thurman#1]

McKinney was never better than Mike Williams. Mike Williams problems were mental.

 

A lot of people dont know this, Mckinney missed half of his rookie season holding out, look at how much we dislike Maybin for his holdout.

 

Over their 1st 3 year, McKinney gave up 27 sacks in 39 games. Mike Williams over his 1st 3 years gave up 25 sacks in 42 games.

 

Its amazing, but the Bills drafted the right guy. Mike Williams was also blocking for Drew Bledsoe, while McKinney blocked for Culpepper, and Culpepper could still move then.

 

 

McKinney played LT. Williams ended up playing RT and even RG. You face much much better pass rushers at LT. So comparing sacks allowed (especially if you use that bogus stat which considers that all stats are an OL's fault and that if they don't know whose fault it is then they should guess) is just not a good way of comparing how good they were, not good at all.

 

Having said that, I agree with most of the posts here, McKinney was way better than Williams, but if we'd taken him, we still would have hated him. Look at how much we hated Ruben Brown, who was a real road grader but was caught for leaving early too much.

[Thurman#1]

Jason Peters

 

 

 

Ouch! I was going to guess Ruben Brown, but if you include guys now off the team, yup, Peters, no question.

 

Including only guys who stayed with the Bills for a long time, who? Ruben? I guess so.

[Thurman#1]

If it were that simple, they would have made it elsewhere. Williams was a bad pick initially because the Bills needed a LT. People forget that Jonas Jennings had an outstanding season at RT as a rookie. Jennings wasn't nearly the same player at LT. McKinnie was the obvious pick. Williams was obviously not going to be a LT and also had a balkly knee. RT's are also much easier to find, and making an unproven RT the highest paid player in your franchise history was silly. THEN, Williams washed out COMPLETELY because he didn't have the motivation/desire.

 

Donahoe let his ego get in the way. He didn't appreciate people pointing out that McKinnie was the OBVIOUS pick for about 6 months prior to draft day. He would get on the radio, someone would mention McKinnie and he would get bent. In November, McKinnie was actually on the cover of SHOUT magazine because it was that obvious that he was the top prospect at the critical LT position that the Bills were desperately in need of filling. It really could not have been more clear. McKinnie didn't materialize into a HOF'er, but he has been good to very good for a long time and will be for longer still. What is truly disgusting is that they lucked into another top LT in Peters and an entirely different group of management douchebags blew that too.

 

 

 

I like this post, but while it's now apparent that Williams wasn't quick enough to be an LT, before the draft there was a great deal of talk that he really was fast enough. IMHO, a legitimate mistake, but one that just killed them. You don't get #4 picks very often, even if you're basically a bad team.

[gobillsinytown]

I think this thread shows why more teams seem to be trying to trade out of the first round altogether. The first round is a total crap shoot, with a lot of money on the line. My opinion of Williams is that once he got his multimillion dollar bonus check for signing (I can't recall the amount), he realized he was pretty much set for life. That, and the fact that the level of competition increases exponentially at the NFL level. He was used to dominating defensive linemen at the college level on his size and strength alone. Once he knew how hard he was going to have to work to succeed at the next level, I think he lost interest. Seems to happen more often than not with first round draft picks. If I were in charge of a draft, I'd rather trade down to the bottom of the first, or out of it completely.

[spartacus]

I like this post, but while it's now apparent that Williams wasn't quick enough to be an LT, before the draft there was a great deal of talk that he really was fast enough. IMHO, a legitimate mistake, but one that just killed them. You don't get #4 picks very often, even if you're basically a bad team.

 

The Williams pick was always a stupid arrogant pick.

 

It was bad enough to waste top 5 resources on a RT, who already had serious motivational and weight problems.

 

The pick became inexcusable when they passed on a legit LT to do it, especially one that played in a pro style passing offense at an elite college program.

 

Donahoe, as with all of his picks, was out to show he was smarter than everyone else so he could face time on ESPN.

 

Williams was touted as being "quick on his feet for a man of his size". The dumbass media bought into the nonsense that quick feet and the fact that he protected the lefty QBs blindside at Texas made him a LT.

[iinii]

Over their 1st 3 year, McKinney gave up 27 sacks in 39 games. Mike Williams over his 1st 3 years gave up 25 sacks in 42 games.

McK plays left and MW plays right, does that weight this argument any in your opinion?

[justnzane]

Jason Peters

 

nope... he has made 2