julian
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44 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Latu will not become a TJ Watt.
That’s probably a safe bet lol
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Seeing Latu go at 28 would hurt, I wouldn’t be upset with BTJ but I’d be really hoping Latu doesn’t turn into TJ Watt.
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38 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I think almost everyone agrees that Allen has been left in the dust of Mahomes' history making.
But I really doubt Josh Allen feels that way.
Going 1-0 against Mahomes in the SB would draw him a lot closer in the court of public opinion than some might think. The excuse would be made that he'd been playing with one hand tied behind his back with McDermott as his coach.
It feels over, but it's not.
When Manning finally won his first, it put him back in the potential best-of-his-generation conversation because he had always been so much better statistically than Brady. The subsequent 18-0 Patriots regular season really changed the perception of Brady from product of Belichick's system to truly great individual performer.
And then at one time Ben Roethlisberger drew within 3-2 of Tom Brady in SB wins.......and the Steelers future looked so bright that it was all but presumed he'd catch and pass Bradshaw's 4 at least. The Pats went 10 years between SB wins #3 and #4.
Yeah good points, although I’d push back on Allen gaining any type of meaningful foothold in the Mahomes/Allen debate simply by a SB victory over him, other than Bills fans and those who are truly open to having their minds changed.
If Allen were to add a couple MVPs and continues to set all time TD records like he’s currently doing than I think it’s a real debate if he were to beat Mahomes in a SB, but like other posters have already stated, Allen seems to be motivated by winning and being a great teammate and jumping ship to a perceived better opportunity is less likely for him than maybe others. The connection to the community he’s established is pretty strong.
The point about the Pats going 10 years between SBs is a good one, some people are under the impression KC will go to or win the SB every year, that’s not going to happen and Allen has to take advantage of those seasons.
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14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
He wouldn't be avoiding Mahomes. He'd be aligning to not play him until the biggest game.
History doesn't care too much about who you had to beat to get to a SB........just whether you were there and if you won.
Losing in the divisional round to Mahomes or Burrow every year is forgettable. Like a Philip Rivers or even most of Drew Brees career in the playoffs. Afterthoughts. Winning against them for once in the playoffs would be nice but he'd still be 1-4 against them.
Winning a SB against them makes you 1-0.
Allen, Burrow and Mahomes being on the same side of the draw and the QB-loaded AFC facing system QB's Jalen Hurts and Brock Purdy in the grand finale is rather anticlimactic for the league.
Yeah I agree with much of this, at this point Allen can’t and won’t catch Mahomes in any all time conversations regardless if he leaves the conference and beats him in a SB, the head start is too great.
Manning faced the same conversations surrounding his playoff defeats against Brady, until he got over the hump and won a title, now that conversation is a mere side note to history.
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16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I'd be stunned and I mean stunned if it happened after 2024 even if the Bills have something of a down year. But do I live in a fantasy world where Josh Allen with his Hollywood other half, an increasing national profile and a burning desire to win is destined to play for the Bills until he hangs them up? No. I absolutely think that there is a chance a point is reached where a combination of frustration at not getting over the hump, the chance to go somewhere "cool" and the opportunity to get away from Mahomes every darn year is tempting enough for him to find a way to move on.
That said I continue to believe he'd drive Kyle "just run my damn plays" Shanahan to utter distraction with his play style. Kyle doesn't just have to win. He has to win by showing everyone he is the smartest guy in the room. Not sure how well his huuuuuge ego would deal with Josh Allen running around off script and being superman and therefore getting all the credit.
I agree with almost all of this, if Allen believes the people upstairs aren’t trying hard enough or aren’t capable of making the correct roster decisions or coaching changes he might decide it’s time to try elsewhere and rightfully so.
Great point point about Shanahan, that dude seems like he’s aiming to go down as greatest offensive mind to ever coach without an elite QB, the Shanahan system seems to have become such a narrative that I’d guess it might actually rub some offensive players the wrong way.
I’d only disagree with the opportunity to get away from Mahomes viewpoint, I don’t believe Allen is wired that way and his compete level is off the charts. I think Allen believes wholeheartedly that he can, should and will beat Mahomes every time they line up.
IMHO.
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3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
Incoming CB round one
We’d have the coolest CB name in football with Kool Aid overtaking Sauce… and we know corners with nicknames are allowed to mug receivers, might even be in the rule book.
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Does this type of stupidity happen on every teams boards ?
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1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:
Well, as long as they keep winning 10+ games a year when it doesn't matter, that isn't going to happen. McBeane is here for the forseeable future, and Josh will just keep getting older. When Josh retires in 5-10 years with zero rings (maybe even zero appearances), we can all bemoan how it was too bad he didn't have an elite defense that could stop Mahomes.
JA is the one player on the whole team that could make the difference himself. If he doesn't want to, that's fine, but he's actively choosing not to.That’s crazy.. with all due respect. I’m going to put the blame where it belongs, with the management and coaching who continue to be a major letdown in the postseason and ultimately with the ownership who don’t have the balls to change course because as you say, Allen is pretty much a guaranteed double digit playoff team every year.
IMHO.
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1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:
Maybe that's part of the problem. I'd prefer "trust" not be a part of his decision making at all. If Shakir was so open that no one was 20 yards around his, it was still the wrong play assuming that there was an underneath target available that would have allowed us to run out the clock. This is the kind of stuff that greats like Brady understood, and Mahomes knows it too.
If you score a touchdown to go up by 4 and then give Mahomes the ball with 2 minutes and 2 timeouts - then what we're looking at is a bunch of complaints that Allen left the field with the lead yet again and his defense couldn't get the job done. The same thing happens if Bass makes his kick. If I'm not mistaken, Mahomes still has the highest rate of game winning drives in that scenario in NFL history - surpassing Brady as of a couple years ago.
I need my QB to know that. This isn't 1994. Going up with 2 minutes to go isn't good enough when you have a chance to never give your opponent the ball back. Yes, we've already beat this topic to death, but these errors in judgment aren't limited to one pass in a game where Allen was otherwise our best player. They happen consistently, and if they didn't Allen has at least one ring by now. We can bemoan the other reasons like lack of weapons, or defensive letdowns all we want, but this one thing is completely within his control and is fixable if he wants to do so. I just don't think he does - at least not if it cuts into his golfing time or chasing hollywood starlets.
If this team needs improvement by arguably the 2nd best player in football and perennial MVP Candidate to win a title, then it’s about management and coaching greatly failing in their responsibilities to execute.
You need new management and coaches if you need more outta 17.
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Allen now being the Alpha and CEO of the offense with Diggs gone is going to go a long way in his maturation process and the young weapons will fall in line behind 17.
I think Diggs being older than Allen and being “him” was helpful 4 years ago but Allen needed a clear runway at this point to truly put his stamp on this team. I believe we’re going to see a much different Josh Allen going forward, hopefully Bean gets enough talent around him to take advantage of it.
IMHO.
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33 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:
So what two word text is forthcoming a week from tonight?
Rome Nabers
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Playing guitar and singing ? Where’s the video of him rolling around on a mat working hard at jujitsu, errr ah I mean football.
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20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I heard he doesn't interview well and may have trouble picking up an NFL playbook.
Yeah he’s been the WR that isn’t making sense when listening to many say he’s a potential #1 then see him projected in the 3rd and 4th round, but being a poor interview would definitely explain it.
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
While I agree with you, still worth noting Keenan Allen ran a 4.71 and has been a high end WR1 still in the modern era. So I think its plausible Rice would have still been a great WR in the modern game, although probably not to the same degree that has him in the GOAT conversations like he is now.
Does he get not one, but two HOF QBs in the modern era, if the answer is yes then he’s probably gonna look the same. The difference being the CBs in todays game might be a bit more athletic, but this era of offense has also been aided greatly by rule changes.
I guess I have no fu*king idea
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1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:
Played at a smaller school and ran a "slow" 40 (4.54 I believe). He was cooking the corners he faced and that's all you can really do. They probably would have preferred to see him do it against the SEC guys like the guys from Texas etc
That sounds logical, seems like a tough evaluation
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1 minute ago, warrior9 said:
So That's why in my reply to him I mentioned his instincts and football IQ.
I have to wonder if his positioning, route running, etc leaves a lot to be desired. I'll watch some film and get back to you. I'm interested as well.
Yeah I’d appreciate that, he seems like the one WR prospect where a lot of the narrative isn’t jiving with his draft position projections.
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3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:
Javon Baker in round 4 would be an absolute steal. I doubt he's still available. He could be a potential WR1 type eventually
I’ve seen plenty of people agreeing with your idea of Baker eventually becoming a #1, lots of respected talent evaluators, yet I always see him late 2nd,3rd rnd and in some cases a day 3 pick.
Why the disconnect ?
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Maybe Atlanta dodged a bullet, because Bellichick hasn’t won anything without Brady, or at least that’s how I’m told it works.
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26 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:
Anyone know the meaning of “Kool Aid”?
“Taste great, gotta go the bathroom, too late”
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Some people will never realize what they have until it’s gone.
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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:
I won't speak for Reid, but Kelce was averaging almost 1000yards a season w Alex Smith...Hill has two absolutely elite seasons in Miami w Tua post KC...the argument that they aren't two all time greats w/out Mahomes doesn't hold water
Hill has the Dolphins front office about to pay Tua 50+ mill lol, to suggest having Hill on the team when Mahomes showed up wasn’t an incredible advantage that Allen never had is crazy talk.
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17 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
You can say anything you like, and stand by anything you like, but you need to bring some receipts to show that Andy Reid was regarded as a HOF offensive HC before Mahomes.
Same with Kelce and Hill - they were regarded as talented, but factually Kelce had 1 - 1000+ yd season in 4 years before Mahomes was drafted. That ain't the Highway to the Hall. Similar with Hill - his rookie year, before Mahomes was drafted, 61 receptions for 595 yds. They both had good years while Mahomes was 'watching and learning' on the bench his rookie season, but a single 1183 yd, 75 reception season for Hill and 2 1000+ yd seasons in 5 years does not make a HOF receiver.
It's a bit of a strange "Hill to die on" for making your "factual statement" stake
What lol, do you believe Mahomes didn’t inherit a much more advantageous situation than Allen ?
Hill to die on lol, it’s you on an island here if you believe Mahomes hasn’t been in the better situation from day 1.
I can’t believe my original response to this thread is seen as not factual, it’s bizarre.
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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
The point is that people who actually watch football and have actually watched it for 30 years and paid attention saw that Andy Reid was a HC in Philly for 14 years, with 1 NFC championship/Super Bowl loss to show for it. His QB through much of that time was #2 overall pick, Donovan McNabb. He also had Shady McCoy for 4 of those years. He had 9 winning seasons and 9 playoff exits. The NARRATIVE emerging from those people who actually watch football and have actually watched Andy Reid for 14 years, was that he couldn't "seal the deal" and take a team "over the hump" all the way to the championship.
Then he took over in KC with former #1 pick Alex Smith, who had shown he could win in SF. Again, for 5 years, he was HC with a lot of talent - Hunt, Hill, Kelce, Smith - and the team had winning seasons, but didn't get to a conference championship or win a superbowl, leading to the NARRATIVE emerging from those people who actually watch football and actually watched the Andy Reid-coached Chiefs, was that maybe he still couldn't "seal the deal" and take a team all the way to a championship.
Now he has Patrick Mahomes, 2 conference championships, 4 Superbowl appearances, 3 wins, and we're talking about how he's one of the game's greatest offensive minds and a "very lucky" situation Mahomes "fell into" with a 1st ballot HOF coach.
My point is, while he was regarded as a very good coach before Mahomes, none of the rest of those labels were being applied to him.
You’re arguing that Andy Reid isn’t an excellent HC , a HOF HC who’s light years ahead of McDermott, which was the point I made with my original response to the question about the picture, it was in fun, but nothing I said wasn’t true.
I made a factual statement, Mahomes lucked his way into 2 HOF pass catchers and a HOF offensive HC, while Allen lucked into McDermott.
I’ll stand by that.
1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:You got it backwards. They were good without Mahomes. They became great because of Mahomes. Nobody was saying HOF with regard to those guys before Mahomes got there.
Not even Andy Reid........who was one of the great choke artists in playoff history. He had blown a 28 point lead and an 18 point lead in the playoffs as Chiefs HC. (In fact, he owns 3 of the 4 biggest blown leads in Chiefs 65 year history and all were in the playoffs). His time was running out in KC before Mahomes arrived and changed the narrative.
You are serious, I can tell lol, there’s no reasoning with this take my goodness lol
if people actually believe Mahomes hasn’t benefited from a great situation compared to what Allen was blessed with.. There’s nothing else to say lol
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On 4/15/2024 at 5:58 PM, BigDingus said:
We should just make a thread going over all players we'd be willing to use specifically to trade up. On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being "zero desire to trade" & 10 being "cya later!"
I'll start:
Josh Allen - 1
James Cook - 5
Khalil Shakir - 4
Curtis Samuel - 1 (just signed)
Mack Hollins - 1 (just signed)
Dalton Kincaid - 1
Dion Dawkins - 3
Connor McGovern - 4
O'Cyrus Torrence - 2
Spencer Brown - 5
Greg Rousseau - 6
DaQuan Jones - 4
Ed Oliver - 1
Von Miller - 9 (in a fantasy scenario where it was possible)
Matt Milano - 1
Terrel Bernard - 2
Dorian Williams - 6
Rasul Douglas - 2
Kaiir Elam - 10
Christian Benford - 6 (always injured)
Taron Johnson - 1
Anyone else is either not relevant enough, nobody cares, is a recent signing, or wouldn't be worth a 7th round pick in a trade value anyway.
Pretty reasonable, my only changes would be very minor.. I’m having OCyrus and Bernard at 1, I think I can agree with the rest
Gonzo 2.0 2 Rounder w/Trades
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Yeah, I don’t wanna pass on a legit edge rusher trying to fill the WR needs but it is what it is. Latu should be gone well before 28 and that’s what I’m hoping lol.