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8 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:
The bills only traded back because they thought their guy would be available at 2.01.
That tells me they want to take a guy that most people didn't mock in the first round. So who could that be ?
Is it possible the bills loved a guy like Ricky Pearsall, and thought no way someone would take him in the first?
What if the bills shot themselves in the foot?
Unless the bills trade down again, why risk losing out on your guy just to gain a better draft position in round 3?
No, what it says is that Beane was being honest when he said they really didn't have 28 first round grades.
So why take a 2nd round graded player in the first round when you can get extra picks?
Clearly they were not as high on Worthy and Legette as many others were/are and they didn't see someone worth moving up to go get...perhaps BTJ was the last WR they would have been willing to trade up for and he was taken too high.
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Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
But if its at the cost of a guy you want (say troy franklin), is it worth it? Because NE picks right after us, has a big need at boundary WR, and had a top 30 visit with him.
You always take BPA as long as it's something you don't have a surplus of. Careers in the NFL are too short and there is no guarantee any player will be a "star". They stick to their board and take who they have rated highest.
Now if they have a group of players all relatively the same grade then you can start going with the higher need
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16 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:
I'm ready to be booed:
Take Cooper DeJean at 33.
Our safety group, while less important than our WRs, is in terrible shape. DeJean would almost for sure start immediately and in a pinch could be kicked back outside to replace Douglas in a year.
I WANT WR more, but with the assets in play I am considerably more confident that Beane can move up to the top of the 2nd and get someone I would have been fine with us taking at 28 (Franklin, McConkey and AD Mitchell all qualify for me)
Some believe that DeJean is a future 4-5x all-pro. If Beane views him as that I don't see how he could pass on him. Very likely is the BPA at this point as well.
However there are players that fit the bill at 4 positions there right now.
Newton at DT, DeJean at S/CB, McKinstrey at CB and Mitchell at WR.
They could maybe be OK with taking any of those 4 and maybe be willing to move down 3 picks and take whatever one is left or pick from those 4...
Beane has a ton of options right now in this spot.
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1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
A 6th for a 5th makes it sound like nothing. It was pick 200 for pick 141. Moving up 59 slots is a pretty good get for moving down one pick.
For me, it was especially painful that Carolina took Legette with that pick because he was my guy. But the trade in and of itself was good value.
Yeah it's pick 1 in round 5 for like pick 28 in round 6.
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1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
In a strong yr in the draft for Wrs u don't do that.
Trade for one and draft one. Nobody they pick now is walking in and being a #1 WR this year. Even if they drafted BTJ, he might not have even been a #1 WR.
The only surefire #1 WRs in the draft were the top 3.
Lots of slot WRs and guys with a lot of potential 2 and 3 WR capabilities, but we already have those.
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Vontae Mack...no matter what.
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22 minutes ago, Special K said:
Let me start by saying I love Beane, but this move was a real head-scratcher to me.
Aside from the fact that the trade was with KC, the concept of the first trade down made sense....picking up a 3rd round pick was certainly a priority for the Bills and they accomplished that.
However, moving from 32 to 33 for yet another 5th round pick doesn't make sense due to the fact that you lose the 5th year option you get with 1st round players.
Why not just take the guy you want at 32 and have that 5th year option?
Unfortunately, the only way this move makes sense is if they are planning to trade down once again from 33......probably for 5th round picks in 2027 and 2028🙄
5th year option isn't a big deal unless it's a QB. You can simply work out an extension after year 3 if you want.
I think this move is a move in the bigger picture of things than just this draft. I expect something big is in the works.
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3 minutes ago, jwhit34 said:
Comparison of the Bills picks at beginning of the draft and now:
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28, 60, 128, 133, 144, 160, 163, 200, 204, 248
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33, 60, 95, 128, 141, 144, 160, 163, 204, 221
Analysis:
Picks retained: 60, 128, 144, 160, 163, 204
Trade down from 28 to 33 (-5)
Trade up from:
133 to 95 (+38)
200 to 141 (+59)
248 to 221 (+27)
That's good maneuvering presuming that their WR is still available.
I'm not even sure they are taking one. I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade down again or trade the pick for a WR on a roster already.
Or take Cooper Dejean.
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2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
especially because Beane still hasnt spoken to the media…He is probably fielding calls from half the teams about pick 33 tomorrow...he might be able to get a better deal than what he got for 32.
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1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
This draft is a disaster!
I'm reserving judgement until I see what happens. I think something is in play outside the draft, ie, building up capital to trade for a WR on a roster already.
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Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Hopefully we trade back again for another third
Bills going to have a LOT of offers and might even get more than they did with the Panthers trade.
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I'm guessing there is something bigger in the works here than what's going on in the draft and the Bills are building capital to pull it off...
Perhaps a trade for a WR on a roster already?
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Bills love giving the Chiefs key offensive weapons by trading down with them...
SMFH...
Why would you allow them to take the next Tyreek Hill in that offense?
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8 minutes ago, skibum said:
I just think the Bills have the assets to trade up high enough to get one of the big 3 WR this year. They are already fielding a paper-thin roster. I say just take BPA, suffer through this 2024-5 rebuild, and get it all back on track next year.
It's not as paper thin as you might want to believe
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5 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
It's not nearly as rich as you think. It's three deep for top tier, and drops off pretty quickly after that.
Meh...not from what most are saying...
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13 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
Trade down, Beane, if you know what you're doing
None of those draft classes had the ridiculous riches at the WR position that this one does tho.
Every draft is different. Can't really just compare them on their face.
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Those look like some beer league rugby uniforms 🤣
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This is not "what's going to happen", just your best guess.
Anyone who definitively thinks they know what's going to happen is only fooling themselves.
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5 hours ago, Back2Buff said:
Makes zero sense to me. Can't believe the Pegula's have money issues.
Doubt they do...his net worth has increased 3 BILLION in the time he has owned the team.
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4 minutes ago, Low Positive said:
That one against the Jets last year was so obvious. The call was ticky-tack and the INT was game-clinching for the Jets. I don't think that it's conspiracy. I think that the refs are just in awe of his greatness and subconsciously help him out. NBA stars benefit from this all the time.
The one in the Raiders game was pretty bad as well...still ended up losing tho and he already had thrown a pick 6 earlier.
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Just now, Low Positive said:
Some of that is Mahomes seeing the penalty and then making a very risky play because he knows it's coming back. Brady was the master of throwing balls to get DPIs and Mahomes has taken up that mantle. Others are refs bailing him out.
I've watched plenty that are not of the Offside variety
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This is crazy!
Wonder what the narrative would look like if even half of them haven't.
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Did you listen to the full interview? Based on your comments it doesn’t sound like it because if you did you would know he didn’t discuss anything that gives away, or even suggests, their strategy and plans. Nothing about that his interview was strategic in that type of nature.Ever watch SwordFish? What does Travolta's character say about how Houdini was able to captivate audiences without them being able to ever detect anything as to how he was able to do his tricks?
Misdirection.
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13 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:
I mean to me it sounds like he's talking about Khalil Shakir. I know thats not the greatest example but I think they are expecting huge things out of him. My next best guess would be Justin Shorter since Shorter didn't play at all last year much like Bernard in his rookie season and then broke out year 2.
I'm expecting big things out of Shakir also...and the advanced metrics strongly back that up.
Trading down from 32 to 33 may have been a dumber move than trading down to help the Chiefs!
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Clearly he didn't feel that player was worth a first round pick and as he said before the draft started they didn't have 28 players with first round grades and clearly all the ones they had graded as first rounders were already gone.