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  1. LOL, I really don't care if his shuttle time 'stunk'. Post their *official* combine performances in the 40 (including 10 and 20 yard intervals), vertical jumps, broad jumps and their times in the three cone drill.

     

    You can find that information at NFLdraftscout.com under 'NFL combine'. From there, you can jump between several years. Both players had full combine workouts.

     

    For what little combine performances are worth, Lynch beat Turner in every one of the categories I mentioned above.

     

     

    Can't we all just agree that taking a RB neglects our thin defense and going RB in Round 1 takes us out of the Patrick Willis or Amobi Okoye game?

     

    DJ is going to go defense. Think what you will, he's got a lot of influence over Marv and whomever is selected.

     

    That said, I'd like to see Pittman in Round 2 and if he's gone Brandon Jackson perhaps in Round 3. After that there'll still be some serviceable RB's.

  2. I think this will come down to not what I (or any other fan) thinks is the best football, but what we suspect that the Bils braintrust will do given their expressed likes and past behavior.

     

    Though I may think that in theory a particular method of team building may produce the best football, what interests me most of all is first what we think the Bills MAY do and then even more so what really happens.

     

    My sense is that while the Bills would certainly prefer to have a solid marquee RB, that is incredibly unlikely to happen.

     

    Once Ralph decided to cut ties with McGahee (who must have been a horrible pain in the butt to own because he kept shooting off his mouth and acting like an idiot with his "baby mommas" and failed to show more than potential on the field) he sent the Bills into a world where they simply had no real #1 RB and my GUESS is that the Bills braintrust having been burned once by entrusting their RB situation to one young man will be quite reluctant to once again hitch their wagon and hopes to one single player at RB.

     

    Its hard to make an RBBC approach work well, but my sense is that this devil they know will be preferable to the devil they cannot know from a 1st round drafted stud RB.

     

    Even if they are pretty sure that this player is a character guy who will not go around impregnating women, looking at his children as reasonable short-term financial liabilities he can afford with the multi-million $ contract he has and will get, and wanting the parties a big city offers (not hard to do actually as WM had a particular idiocy and did not perform well enough to allow an owner to overlook it), they still are at risk due to injury every time he takes the field and due to the fact that every draft choice has the possibility of being Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf.

     

    I simply do not see the Bills going down the route of drafting a marquee RB as it puts too much of their hopes, dreams and the fun of owning a team into the hands of one player. I think they would prefer to try to juggle things and make it work with a bunch of less than elite RBs than run the risks of depending on one stud.

     

    Rookie contracts are slotted so we will pay what we pay whether he is on offense or defense. However, Marv has been allowed to (or been forced to by Ralph's choices) to choose between a world where they make the RBBC work or hope that from a Turner/Jones/Brown and also 2 likely RB draft picks that one of them turns out to be the 07 equivalent of Terrell Davis. Actually, I think that having whatever FA and one later on the 1st day and 1 second day RB is more likely to pull off this trick than having an RBBC work, but I think RBBC is the back-up plan to catching lightening in a bottle with likely 3 RBs who are on this year's roster who were not on last year's.

     

    I think this likely has them using the 1st rounder on an LB. However, i doubt that we will see them go with Willis as some would like them to do, because this season would simply be little fun for Ralph watching Willis do the defensive version of the JP thing. Willis is a physically gifted player who is a good guy. However, the way the MLB position works in our Cover 2 simply is going to call on this rookie to make vet reads as opposing OCs will simply be licking their chops looking to face a rookie MLB whom if they can fool him into taking a step back because he thinks a pass play is coming they get a 1st down on a run up the middle. Or even worse if they get this player who is asked to be aggressive to take a step in while some speedy receiver is running a post pattern the its seven for the enemy,

     

    There simply is a premium on the MLB being a vet if you want to be serious about this team winning next year rather than dedicating it to a likely painful season of learning while this rookie MLB learns to be a vet by getting toasted a few times.

     

    Thus, mu guess is that the Bills use their first for an OLB to join with Crowell in the middle, Ellison as the WLB and the Bills will also hope that now that Wire is back at a good position for him he will prove to be an adequate starting LB or at least compete for that slot, The new OLB will likely be asked to start at SLB and even better for the Bills they can almost certainly trade way down and still get the the SLB candidate they want as a rookie can reasonably be expected to start at the OLB position which is far less challenging than the MLB position. Trading down will add to our resources such that we may be able to pick both RBs likely to be produced by this draft on the first day.

     

    If the Bills get two RBs in he draft (one a straight FB or a swing guy who can play either position) plus pick up an FA then they will have the 3 RBs they need which will fit well with the 2 RBs currently on the roster (A-Train and Cieslak likely to make this team and allow them to move past the less than productive Williams and not rely on NFLE Jackson.

     

     

    As my Media Law professor said in college, "Let's...condense...this."

     

    I cannot see Buffalo investing so much on their OL only to let an aged A. Thomas and perhaps another average back run behind it. Kinda like buying a Mercedes and installing the cheapest sound system in it. A non-sequitur.

     

    Not sure if the Bills give up their cash to the cap theory now that revenue sharing is a done deal, but if they did, Turner becomes more of a reality. Of course so much hinges on a deal with Turner, but having the chance to select an impact defender like Willis or Okoye in the draft and acquire Turner is going to satisfy both DJ and Fairchild. We can't neglect the RB position and plug in an average runner. An average RB delivers average results and when the Bills have difficulty running successfully you should not be surprised.

     

    Hopefully Willis or Okoye is available at 12, but don't get an average running back to run behind that line.

  3. If we dont sign him, oh well, just gonna have to draft a 2nd day safety i guess. If this report is true then my guess is that we will be signing him "on the cheap" which will make everybody happy.

     

    I'd rather have a veteran with his best days behind him than another draft pick allocated toward the defensive backfield. The more picks the better and another spent on a DB just seems ridiculous, especially if they've targeted a CB for depth purposes.

     

    We've got three safeties on the roster. And all of them are young (see less than 2 years in the league) Perhaps Troy Vincent would come back as the DB coach. Well, maybe not.

  4. Julius Jones is a below average runningback whose team wants to cut him loose because, unlike Tiki Barber, he's not getting the job done. You may wish the Bills to take on the "Julius Jones Reclamation Project", I just happen to strongly disagree that plan of action.

     

    Someone finally had to say it. If we're trying to win now and/or in the future, Julius Jones is not the answer. End of story. Sure Dallas' OL wasn't great, but Jones didn't help himself much. A pairing of Jones and A. Thomas is mediocrity defined. Certainly not a running game that is formidable.

  5. How many dominating WR's did SD have last season? How about NE? Or maybe CHI and NO? Sure, Indy had two excellent ones, but they're the exception. Antonio Gates lost some TDs to a guy like LT, but you win with balance. Having a balanced offense that maximizes the players on that side of the ball is vital, or defenses key in on your strengths. The days of having Andre Reed line up next to James Lofton are few and far between.

     

    On defense you win in the trenches. Same as for the offense. But on defense we need some speedy playmaking types right now. Hopefully Willis is there because we've got 1, maybe 2 NFL caliber linebackers on the roster right now. DJ is defense first. And second. He holds sway over Marv and they'll try to win with defense like he did in Chicago back in 2001. Defense first, offense second. It's the head coaches way.

  6. You're right. If Willis is gone before we pick then we need to beef up the DTs. Carriker is everything that Akoye is plus more. We need someone who can tie up the middle and take on two blockers.

     

     

    Carriker is a DE. He might possess great size and strength, but he doesn't have the same kind of speed Okoye has. For my money, the best way to solve the opponent's running game this season and into the future is Okoye. If he's gone, and might well be, then P. Willis is the way to go. Carriker is a large DE that doesn't fit for us right now. Unless he's going to make the jump to DT, and then we have a project on our hands.

  7. I must respectfully, but very strongly disagree. Imo, this is a great thing, whereas it might actually prevent Levy from drafting another first round defensive back.

    The Bills are stronger on the offensive front than they were last year. If they grab a good RG, and toughen up on the front 7, they will contend for the playoffs.

    Enjoy the ride.

     

    Probably so...it's not such a bad thing after all. You're right, if Marv had any inclination about drafting Hall, Revis, hell even Houston, then perhaps the notion was removed with that brief conversation. At least Ralph has a handle on their weaknesses.

     

    Marv addressed the left side of the OL, and his DE's are a strength, but RG and DT are still big question marks. Good football teams begin with the offensive and defensive line, in that order.

  8. Thats why I say..... If Peterson or Willis are off the board. ...you get Okoye.

    Then we would have Okoye, Walker , McCargo and Tripplett.

     

     

    Okoye would be my choice if Willis is gone. I think he can make a huge impact his first year and would immediately upgrade a group of DT's that didn't get it done last season. He has tremendous upside, character, and a great work ethic. He'd quickly show McCargo what a DT can do in their rookie season.

  9. If Ralph's forced to ask that now, that's not good. DJ and Marv go defense first and second round. Perhaps Willis at 12 or they trade down and grab Posluszny late in the first. I certainly don't see them grabbing RB in round 1, maybe even second round either if they have the same amount of picks. I could see them trading and picking up a second to use for a RB.

     

    I know Ralph doesn't sit in for all the football meetings, but it's decent that he's at least interested in the aspects of the team. I have to give Marv credit, he's the only GM in the league with an owner who won't give him all the money to spend within limits. I figure it takes 7M to sign rookies, perhaps 1M less, and even with that, Buffalo is still 15-17M beneath the salary cap.

     

    I value Peter King's opinion because he's been right more often than not. I'll refrain from saying's he bulletproof, but he's got some excellent sources scattered throughout the league.

  10. That punter from Baylor, Daniel Sepulveda looks like a great pick. I think we could get him in the first if we're lucky and he solves so many of our problems. We know he can punt, but he's 6'2 230 and can run. I think his 40 time was about 4.65

     

    So, if we draft him, we have a backup punter who could excell at LB and probably run the ball occasionally on 2nd down when A. Thomas needs a break. And I'm sure he fits in with the team's financial plans because he'll get the NFL rookie minimum.

     

    There it is.

  11. Aw c'mon, I'm not taking offense here, I'm just having some fun. Lighten up, you are the one getting all serious with the cash to cap stuff. The things that you're quoting is what you're reading. How much do you really know and understand about the contracts, financial structure and negoiating? Unless you're a lawyer that deals in these areas then I'm taking what you're saying more as opinion than fact. There's no harm in exploring the possibilities in the off season.

     

    Well, it's hard to tell through words alone. It's as the kid say "all good." Of course what I'm saying is partially opinion. I don't have sources deep within OBD or anything. I just think we'd have done something if it were right.

  12. Cash to the cap was a response to inequitable revenue sharing, not escalating player salaries. Now that Ralph has found a revenue sharing arrangement he likes, who knows?

     

    It's not all revenue sharing. If it was, Buffalo wouldn't be shedding salary like Holcomb and Spikes. They've come out and said cash to the cap and aren't going to reverse course because all of a sudden there's a few million available in revenue sharing. It's not much when you look at it.

     

    It appears, according to the link, that 100M will be available for about what I think is half the league this year. That breaks down to about 6-7M per team for the first season. If Ralph thinks selling the naming rights isn't profitable enough, then revenue sharing fits in the same boat. It's a minor offering and not anything that will turn the tide of NFL spending for small market teams. Hence, JAC and CIN voting against it.

     

    Revenue Sharing

  13. Hey, thanks BillsVet for pissing all over my parade. If Marv truly wanted these players and the cash to cap was restricting him then I believe he could always rescind what he stated. The cash to cap limit is not written in stone.

     

    You're welcome dude.

     

    Besides, Marv did not implement cash to the cap. Ralph and most likely his CFO Jeffrey Littman developed the theory to rebel against the escalating salaries in the NFL. No way does Marv tell his employer that the financial system bestowed on him needs changing. He doesn't carry that much weight.

  14. I'm sure the cash to cap can be worked out, it's just a matter of jockeying the money around. I thought that as far as trade values go that I did a pretty fair job in retaining value for all parties involved. Do I get a gold star now or what??!! Just kidding.

     

    AJ Smith gets his 1st and 3rd rders and saves face and the Bears, even though Washington seems to be closing in on Briggs, won't have to deal with Snyder and his Rosenhaus ways.

     

    Turner gets to be a star on an up and coming team and Briggs gets out of Chicago and loves playing for his new GM. We can also package our 2nd and 3rd rders to move up for a CB if we so desire.

     

    This might be construed as negative, but with the Spikes deal, Buffalo is at about 88M with the salary cap. I came to that figure from Clumps page showing us at 93M in cap before the Spikes trade. If we saved 5M in cap with the move, it places the Bills at 88M. If cash to the cap is employed and our draft picks come under the same criteria, we'll be at the NFL minimum (which I believe to be 93-95M) to start the season. (or 112M in cash to the cap-ese)

     

    I think Briggs will want a long term deal similar to Adalius Thomas got from NE. He knows the going rate and we're not going to spend that kind of cash. Face it, the Bills salary restrictions prevent us from making the move. I feel the same goes for Turner. We've got to sign our picks. And right now, we're at about 100M in cash to the cap dollars.

     

    Cash to the Cap

     

     

    There is simply no room to make a deal. We've purged LFB, NC, WM, Takeo, Holcomb, who else can we afford to dump at this point? We could always have Ralph run the ball, he does have fresh legs. But seriously, there's no room.

  15. Assuming that such a deal is contingent on us getting a long term deal done with Briggs I would trade away the #12 and one of our reserve LBs and a draft pick in a hot second. Assuming that the Bills would offer up someone like Coy Wire as the back-up LB ifI was the Bears I would feel screwed by this deal and not pull the trigger. The converse of this decision is why I would make the deal if I'm the Bills.

     

    I know many TSW folk would not make this deal, but I think that is because most fans over-value the draft. A #12 could be great but also he could be middlin or he could be a bust. Everyone tends to assume that their favorite draft choice is going to be a Pro Bowler. However, reality simply says otherwise.

     

    Of the 32 1st round choices last year (generally felt to be a pretty strong draft) a look at the depth charts of teams up a couple of weeks ago showed 18 of these 32 choices listed first on the depth charts at their positions. Folks expect a 1st round choice to start immediately, but the reality is that almost half these picks were not even starters at the end of last season or slated to start the beginning of this season (the sites had uneven updating).

     

    If this rumor is true, the Bears would demand Ellison who has at least started at WLB (the hole left by trading Briggs) and I could see why the Bills would at least turn this down the first time as it leaves them having to use the draft to shop for a starting SLB where Haggan is currently 1st on the depth chart and we need to get an LB anyway. Under this deal a second choice is the main tool we have for this and the Bears have to give up a bunch if I am going to give them my starting WLB for theirs and I am giving up a draft choice as well.

     

    However, if they will make this deal for Wire and my 1st then I am happy to do work to fill the SLB spot.

     

    There are first round busts every year. Historically I believe half of the first round picks don't produce like they're expected to. Sure Briggs is a stand-out and would be a great addition (2 time Pro Bowler), but the idea that Ellison or Wire (good lord!) might be demanded in a trade is preposterous! Who's to say Chicago doesn't use Hillenmeyer more or draft a LB and start them? We played Ellison as a rookie. I don't have inside info on a proposed deal but I've heard some crazy stuff on these boards, but Ellison demaded in a trade? You've got to be kidding me.

     

    I haven't laughed this hard since Peyton Manning was on SNL last weekend.

  16. McCargo was starting to play well before getting injured, so it's not like I'm pulling stuff out of my backside here. And in his most recent surgery, they inserted a screw to stabilize his foot, which they didn't do the first time. Being that he's a former 1st round pick, I think I have reason to expect him to be a major contributor, along with Kyle Williams, in his 2nd year in the NFL. And why not keep Kelsay AND Hargrove? They have the money and Kelsay is a good player and person to have in the lockerroom.

    Your contention is that letting LFB go was a mistake yet you bash Ryans. Which is it? Also take into consideration that Ryans is 9 years younger than LFB and hasn't even reached his prime yet. Again, the point is YOURS, i.e. that you can find good players in the draft.

     

    So the answer is to UNDERestimate our players? Sure, that's the easy thing to do. And again the point was that Pennington was a late-round pick, like O'Callaghan was for the Pats. I don't know if O'Callaghan has the RT spot sewn-up (he started mostly because former starter Nick Kazcur was injured) but competition is always a good thing, when you can add it.

     

    Who says McCargo was starting to play well? Some on this board have, but I really haven't seen it officially from anyone outside the team sources. And I'm not sure about you, but having a screw placed into his foot is not something I'm counting on as a plus for next season. He's now broken the same foot twice in three years? It's frightening that he might do it again. And former first round picks aren't locks, no matter where they're selected and by whom. You have nothing in the way of play to expect him to be a solid contributor, his body of work is so miniscule. In the games I recall seeing him it was hard to know whether he was on the field. The same holds true for Youboty.

     

    And not once in that whole post did I talk about keeping LFB or anything remotely close to the idea. Don't put words into my mouth. The fact remains that a porous front four means lots of tackles for LB's and DB's because the front cannot shed blockers and make plays within the LOS. Just making good tackles is not indicative of being a good player.

     

    I'm not underestimating our players at all. I'm giving you a realistic assessment. You're not objectively looking at our draft picks and placing a value on tackles that isn't there. Let's be honest, if you can't accurately grade a player after their first year that should hold true whether we think they're good or bad. In the NFL, the right side of the OL is usually the run-blocking side. We couldn't run behind Pennington last season. 7th round picks are selected there for their potential. And Terrance Pennington's potential is modest. We can hope he develops further, but I do not put a lot of faith in late round draft picks. Even a team like NE doesn't get many guys from the fifth round and below, and they seem to be the standard for how to draft successfully in late rounds.

  17. This is based partly off of the thread that discusses PFT's thoughts for what we should do. It was extremely lengthy, so i thought i'd make a thread in itself. Do not flame, just read. Kind of lengthy, but what the hell, right?

     

    First off, i believe that the plans set for this year are to make a viable push for the playoffs. I really don't think that they are thinking super bowl quite yet, so i think the goal for this year is that we make an attempt at the playoffs and let the team gel a little bit more.

     

    Next year will be the year in which the Bills make their real push for the big bang. It's difficult to talk about, but i am almost sure that Ralph Wilson will not be around for three more years, so this has to happen within the next two. I think he knows this as well as Marv Levy knows this. I think that it is in the card deck that the Bills will pull out all stops to make this happen.

     

    That being said, it may not be that bad of an idea to trade our first round pick in 2008 for Peterson or someone that could change your franchise. Now stick with me, i am not saying that you give up this years first for Peterson. Instead, like the article said, if we can find a trade partner willing to accept the deal we would get a steal since we will more than likely be picking in the high teens to mid twenties next season.

     

    You trade up with next years first to get Peterson. I say this because if next year is supposed to be the year, you will only need a few players to cap off your team. I have a feeling that those players could be found in the second round, or twice in the third since we have Baltimore's other third round pick as well.

     

    We get Peterson and Patrick Willis this year in the first round. Thus giving those guys a year to step into the system and gel with the team. We have the cap space to do it. That way we have someone to carry the rock on offense, and we also have a young leader to anchor the defense, in addition to Donte Whitner.

     

    (Sparks a cigarette)

     

    In the second round this year, we look to pick up a wide receiver. I know the team has expressed interest in Robert Meachem of Tennessee, and if he is still on the board, i believe we pull the trigger almost instantly. I was going to insert Lawrence Timmons into this spot, but with the acquisition of Willis, Crowell gets kicked outside and Ellison proved to be a decent starter last season.

     

    In the third round we look to take a tight end or cornerback. We have never had a decent tight end in Buffalo and it might be worth our while to acquire one with this pick. I say cornerback because i believe that either Youboty or McGee will not be able to fill the starting role.

     

    Thus at the end of this offseason, our line-up looks something like this...

     

    QB: JP Losman, Craig Nall

    RB: Adrian Peterson, Anthony Thomas, Free Agent pick up

    FB: Brad Cieslak (Can switch from TE to FB or vice versa in packages)

    WR: Lee Evans, Robert Meachem, Peerless Price, Josh Reed, Roscoe Parrish, Sam Akien

    TE: Robert Royal, Kevin Everett, Third Round Tight end

    LT: Jason Peters, Brad Butler, Terrence Pennington

    LG: Derrick Dockery, Aaron Merz

    C: Melvin Fowler, Duke Preston

    RG: Langston Walker, Jason Whittle, Duke Preston

    RT: Terrence Pennington, Brad Butler

     

    RDE: Aaron Schobel, Anthony Hargrove

    DT: Larry Tripplet, John McCargo, Kyle Williams, Darwin Walker

    LDE: Chris Kelsay, Ryan Denney

    OLB: Keith Ellison, Angelo Crowell, Coy Wire, Mario Haggan

    MLB: Patrick Willis, John Digiorgio

    CB: Ashton Youboty, Terrence McGee, (Rookie in third round) Kiwaukee Thomas, Jabari Greer

    SS: Donte Whitner, Free Agent pick up or Rookie, Jim Leonhard

    FS: Ko Simpson, Jim Leonhard

     

    K: Rian Lindell

    P: Brian Moorman

    In two days, i think that this team just got one hell of a lot better. Given another year to gel, i believe that this team alone has the potential to make the super bowl. Then you add a second round pick and a third round pick next year in positions that are easy to fill and i think our team is looking almost immaculate.

     

    Thoughts or Opinions a good...

     

     

    I don't want to ruin your cornflakes, but it seems to me that Buffalo isn't thinking about a few of the things you talk about.

     

    First, this cash to the cap plan. No other NFL team self-restricts their front office from using the tools the league provides. According to clump, we're about 19M below the cap not including the savings from the Spikes trade. If we saved 5M with the deal, we're 24M under the cap with mainly rookies to sign. I would wager to say we are at the NFL cap minimum when the season begins. If Ralph is going balls to the wall, he's sure not doing it this season, revenue sharing or not.

     

    As for the players, still significant areas of need. I think Buffalo hosted Meachem to get more info and probably are interested. It could be a likely pick, but I still believe DJ will influence Marv to go defense in Round 1 and 2. I just don't think #2 WR is a high enough priority. The defense has weaknesses at LB, CB, and lacks depth at S.

     

    I simply think the premise that we're going to do everything in the future to win isn't correct. It sounds like cash to the cap is not a one year thing, it's for the future. Ralph doesn't seem willing to spend any more than he has to, cap wise that is and this year is no exception. Cash to the cap is Ralph's reply to growing NFL signing bonuses and he's doing what any businessman who thinks (either correctly or incorrectly) that he can't make the money he once did. You spend less when things aren't good.

     

    They could make the playoffs, stranger things have certainly happened. But with as many issues as they have, I have a hard time thinking they'll be anything more than an 8-8 team in a division with NE and an improving NYJ.

  18. Well for starters, the Bills will be getting back McCargo, who is bigger and more experienced than he was last year. Same goes for Kyle Williams. And Walker was a great addition. Additionally, Anthony Hargrove will get a full off-season, training camp, and pre-season, unlike last year when he joined the Bills in-season. Believe me when I say that DL is not a major concern of mine anymore, barring injuries.

     

    At LB, I'm fine with Crowell playing anywhere and Ellison starting, and I'll leave it up to the Bills to determine which LB'er they should add in the draft (i.e. MLB like Willis with Crowell playing OLB or an OLB with Crowell playing MLB). Like with McNeill, a 2nd round MLB was DROTY last year (DeMeco Ryans), so it's not impossible for a rookie to make an impact. :lol:

    ...Jason Peters was an UDFA. :blink:

     

    So too did Terrence Pennington.

     

    John McCargo is simply an unproven commodity. How you put faith into a player who broke the same foot he did in college, played in five games his rookie year with few impact plays, and did not start as a rookie first round pick (and was beaten out by a 5th rounder with less potential) I'll never know. Just because a player put on 5 pounds of muscle, does that instantly make him a better player? It most surely does not. Walker is a good add, but he's a pass rushing DT, not the type who can play the run. And if Anthony Hargrove is so good, why didn't Buffalo let Kelsay walk in FA? They're both DE's, but Hargrove was used as a pass rushing DT at 272 lbs last season because they didn't have a better option. Walker will fill that spot in obvious passing downs I'd imagine this year.

     

    DeMeco Ryans had an outstanding season, mostly because the front four in Houston was so bad. I've said it before, you will see lots of tackles from DB's and LB's when your front four is poor in run defense. Houston surrendered 5400 total yards last season. (122.3 rypg) Buffalo gave up 5273. (140.9 rypg) While total yards aren't the only indicator of a defense and can be used out of context, it's safe to say neither team was strong against the run, allowing guys like LFB and Ryans to make loads of tackles.

     

    It comes down to this simple fact. We overestimate our players to make ourselves feel better. Same goes for our draft picks. We lose objectivity because we need to feel our picks are so much better and counter the NFL "experts." Those same experts were harsh with their assessment of our 06 draft class last season, but check back to see how many 06 picks remain in 2 years. And if Terrance Pennington is good, why did the front office decide to acquire Langston Walker? After all, if Marv is so highly trusted among fans to make the good decisions, he wouldn't get anyone to challenge Pennington if the latter was worthy of the starting nod.

  19. How exactly would the Bills be able to pull this off when the Deadskins are offering the #6 overall for Briggs and the #31??? :blink:

    I'm definitely down with this...I'd love to see that scenario play out.

     

    As I understood it, Washington offered their 6th overall to Chicago for Briggs and Chicago's 31st. It's a swap of firsts and Briggs.

     

    Let's remember Chicago is the same team that was too cheap to give Lovie Smith a contract extension and before they finally rewarded him for two playoff seasons, had him as the cheapest head coach in the NFL. They're not going to give Briggs away, regardless of Rosenhaus.

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