BillsVet
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I don't know what's worse:
Chambers becoming the starting RT by default
a 7th round rookie as the starting LT
They have three healthy tackles, provided that Estes (!) is all right.
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That type of clock management hurts...the Denver game in opening week last year was one shining example.
Still, it's 17-0 in preseason. We'll see what happens if a similar scenario occurs during the regular season.
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The waiver wire will be utilized, but we're scraping by at tackle and the season hasn't started. Demetrius Bell is completely unproven, and Chambers is not starting grade for an entire season.
Have to wonder if Peters has a voodoo doll at home. J/K.
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Looks like the backups are starting to come in now anyway.
so are the Colts players
Buffalo's backups may be playing in Week 1 more than we'd like
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first down, but the bills OL was free of injury last year...this year may be another story. Sure hope not.
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They may need to pass to set up the run this year more than I expected.
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Marshawn's okay
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take away Losman's scramble there and it's 8 carries for 24 yards
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How many times can they "report" that the Bills have had no contact with Peters?
Schefter has nothing tonight, but he's still gotta appear as though he's an "insider."
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- O-line's amazing performance is putting a lot of pressure on Peters.
I wouldn't call it amazing...some ups, some downs. There's one guy playing out of position and another new starter in Chambers.
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On everything except running plays, the only run over 5 yards tonight has been negated by Josh Reed's holding.
Run blocking looks real bad.
The more things change...well, it's early.
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Who's playing for the Colts on the DL tonight? Is it the starters - Freeney, Mathis, etc? Because our offensive line is handling them...Parker can't be liking this.
don't like seeing runs for loss or 1-2 yards. A major issue that I hope doesn't continue tonight.
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I don't think Parker conned Peters -- I think he probably tortiously interfered with Peters' relationship with his prior agent.
Make no mistake -- Parker will look bad if Peters doesn't get more money this year, particularly after pulling such a visible stunt (the holdout).
I think Peters is probably embarrassed right about now. He just doesn't realize that the Eugene Parkers of the world are not what he needs to become a top paid lineman in this league.
Again, we're going with the "Jason Peters is an idiot" theory to explain why he's not practicing. Actually, agents are hired to obtain the largest contract-as you well know. Peters knows he's underpaid. Parker does too. So does the Bills' front office. If Peters truly was embarrassed, he would have fired his agent, reported to camp, and agreed to play 2008 at his current salary. That this continues is a testament to their resolve, which may or may not grow after today's game.
Parker's success is a product of his ability to wring more money out of teams by leverage his client's participation. I don't agree with it, but it's successful and Peters knows full well who's representing him and their strategy. To claim he's a loyal knuckle dragging stooge is blantantly misdiagnosing the entire situation.
My question to you is: How does an underpaid premier NFL player obtain a new contract when they have 2-3 years remaining on their current deal?
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With all the comparisons going on between the current situation and others, I can't help but look at what's changed since last year at OBD when Schobel got his deal.
First, Brandon's handling GM duties in as COO. It's obvious he's one of the few that Ralph trusts, so much so that RW promoted someone from within who's not a classic GM type. At this point, I've got to believe Brandon, like anyone new to a management position, wants to prove himself in a job that some didn't understand why he was elevated to.
Second, the Bills, like any business, probably had a figure in mind for what they wanted to pay players this year. It's certainly takes into account what they paid to their picks, and free agent signings. I really don't believe a mega deal to Peters fits into their plans for 2008 and paying Peters didn't fit into it because he's got those 3 years left on the current contract
You have to wonder if he's going to wait until a regular season game when teams begin planning much more in depth, or just calls it quits after the pre-season.
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Overdorff negotiated Schobel's extension while Marv was still the GM. Maybe Brandon is the difference that accounts for the disparate treatment, not anything Peters or Shobel has done. No way to know that.
For all the speculation concerning Peters' absence, Brandon's immersion into the front office is the only big change. Could it be that Brandon is further attempting to prove himself on the personnel side by taking a hard stance in this situation? It's speculation, but having been in positions when new people move into a new job, the first instinct is to show they're not a pushover.
Or it could be that the Bills have budgeted a certain amount for salaries, and a new Peters deal won't wash considering they've committed to re-signing Evans. I believe it's a combination of both, especially considering RB is heading the front office, and wants to keep salaries down to prove he's capable to act as a GM type.
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SI had a great article about him before the Super Bowl this year. Gave some insight into his early life and football career.
Didn't always agree with him, but certainly a force to be reckoned with as a Union President. RIP.
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Schobel held out by skipping some off season stuff. They let him know they were going to give him a new deal so he came in. The numbers were all worked out before training camp though some details delayed the signing of it for a few weeks. I am sure that if they committed to a new deal for Peters in February, with the numbers and all to be negotiated, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The team has made it clear, he isn't going to get a new deal this year.
Don't forget Schobel angled for a deal after Kelsay got his just before UFA in early 2007. I can still remember reading how Schobel called Kelsay to ask him, "how did we do?"
The Bills handed out a big contract to Dockery and a decent sized one to Walker when UFA opened that same year. Did they not realize other players would be paying close attention? It's the definition of naivety to think at some point Peters wouldn't come calling, especially after being moves to OLT for the second half of 2006.
The two situations are too similar, and it's clear the Bills have prioritized other players before the guys who become the best at their position. No wonder the front office in place is 0-8 in playoff appearances since 2000.
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Again, Kelly, I was busy that day & didn't get to see the Pro Bowl on TV - how'd Jason look in that game?
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You also missed Tom Brady, LaDainian Tomlinson, Randy Moss, Antonio Gates, Jason Taylor, Jamal Williams, Bob Sanders, Troy Polamalu, Brett Favre, Walter Jones, Patrick Kerney, Tommie Harris, and Lance Briggs who all missed the game with injuries. They apparently stink too, because they couldn't participate.
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We all know how important the LT is in football. But you go way overboard stating Peters value to the team. The Bills have decided they won't be held hostage by one stupid player. So what's Peters' plan B?
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All it takes is one injury to the QB.
I see we've now proceeded to accuse Peters of holding the team hostage. Brilliant rationale, especially considering the guy worked his way from UDFA into becoming a Pro Bowl LT. It's ironic to me how this guy's villified for being such a terrible person and wanting to be paid market value.
The only thing of Peters that has grown since camp began is his gut, for not being in camp working out.But how can we know this? No one has spoken to him since RB saw him in January? Right.
Peters ought to be with the team, and making an example of him is their strategy. But looking at prospective Bills UFA's after 08 and 09, there isn't anyone I'd be afraid to have hold out. So if they're worried an "underpaid" player wants to hold out, I'm not concerned.
Go ahead and hate the league for becoming one in which the players have the upper hand. It's the reality of it all when big dollars enter the mix and fans want to see their team win every year. It's a high stakes game, and management can threaten all they want, but he's got the advantage of knowing the Bills need him more than he needs them.
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Do you ACTUALLY think Jauron only went for it because of the fans? A Yale graduate, who has spent 30+ seasons in the NFL, is deferring to a bunch of drunks? Thats your opinion?It's another indefensible position taken by a DJ-basher, BBB.
We are very upset today, aren't we? Take it for what it's worth, but we're all entitled to our own opinions. This ain't China.
If you want to place a lot of faith in a coach with a 50-67 career record, then fine. It's unlikely to believe he's the guy who, after 7 years is going to suddenly become a great coach. Frankly, I need to see more before I have faith in the guy. I'd like to know why you both go to bat for this guy, especially after one article where he says some feel-good things. Pardon me for being a little doubtful until I see it on the field.
Your posts make it seem like no one's allowed to criticize DJ. It sounds like you're asking us to shut up about his prior shortcomings and be pro-Bills, no matter who the coach is. And for the record, I never called him a liar. He's posturing and giving a sound-bite because it's pre-season, and who knows what's really going on. Do you believe everything you read and hear?
Mickey outlined the example I earlier used regarding the Jets game. I was there, and have video of the offensive players half on the field, unsure of whether or not they would go for it or not. Jauron wanted to send the FG unit onto the field, but had to take a TO when the play clock went down. What about that isn't indecisive?
eball, if you want to solicit people's opinions, be prepared to get ones you don't want. Deal with it.
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Seriously. You said it better than I could have.
'Vet, I just don't know how to answer that. I'm saying Jauron isn't the tentative, conservative coach people claim he is...and you come back saying real-world examples don't support my stance...and then you point to an instance where Jauron made the right call...and better yet, you agree that Jauron made the right call. I'm speechless.
I used the example to demonstrate indecisiveness. Only when the crowd got worked up did DJ finally make the call to go for it.
eball raised this topic, and now acts as though anyone who doesn't believe as he does is an idiot. That sort of heavy-handed mentality is what I don't understand.
DJ's the HC this year. That will not change. I'm willing to give him another year, but based on the Chicago years, I'm not optimistic. As much as I'm pro-Bills, I'm also a realist. Until DJ proves me wrong, I'm going to go the doubting Thomas route.
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So...whats your complaint?
You're right. Good thing our head coach isn't too conservative to go for it.
DJ had to take a TO to think about going for it. On a fourth and goal from the one.
He gives the impression that he's focused on the negative outcome and waffles when big decisions need to be made. This is one example of indecision on the sideline, and pre-season banter with Clark Judge won't remove real world examples from the previous two seasons.
If it weren't for two awful HC's before DJ, his reputation wouldn't be as golden to some Bills fans. When there isn't anyone in recent memory who performed well, subsequent HC's don't have high expectations, as evidenced by the pro-DJ faction here.
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But if Jauron was the timid and nervous head coach many claim he is, he wouldn't have the sack to go for it on 4th down more often than 21 other head coaches, despite being 27th in time of possession. He'd settle for field goals.
And he wouldn't fake punts on his own side of the field in the 1st quarter.
Jauron simply isn't the coach his haters dream that he is.
Flashback to the home game versus the Jets last September. Buffalo had a fourth and goal from the one yard line when out trotted the field goal unit in what proved to be a 17-14 Bills win. I vividly remember the crowd going crazy and DJ called a timeout with 7 minutes remaining.
Jauron did not want to go for it on fourth and goal, but yielded after taking a TO. That's the DJ I've seen from the first row of 123 for the past two years. When they finally decided to go for it, Edwards ran a PA pass to Gaines for the score. Previous to this, Buffalo had run five times in a row (with a Vilma 15 yard facemask penalty) to get the Bills into the RZ.
I can't imagine the final result of the game had Buffalo kicked the FG.
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That's how the game is played. Holding out is part of the game. Ignoring a holdout who has 3 years left is part of the game. Owing a team 3 years of service and having zero leverage is also part of the game.
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Peters' leverage has only grown since camp began. As has been mentioned earlier, Walker is no LT and as teams begin to study film more attentively, it will become more evident to even the most simple minded Bills fan. Edwards will be running for his life more frequently than we'd all like to see, something we've seen already.
The problem with the LT position is fans rarely take note of how important one is to the success of a QB and an offense. Defenses usually have their best rusher line up near the LT position, and negating a team's best rusher is something Bills fans took for granted the past season and a half. If this were a RB, WR, or DE holding out, I guarantee there'd be more outrage than for a "lowly" left tackle.
Game thread -- 8/24
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George Wilson ain't even close to being a starting level player in this league.
At least McKelvin's young