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i liked the article too. graham capsulated all the important inforation in there -- nicely. i especially liked how he pointed out that peters dropped his old agent to hire parker -- the ball buster to get him more money. pure greed for a guy who is lucky to be in the league. what a fool.
Hiring Parker as his agent reminds me of Brian Westbrook firing his to find someone who could get him 10M a year. Only one guy stepped up to be Westbrook's agent, and he still couldn't manage to do it.
Competition to be the best agent on the block is fierce, especially with the mega-houses that feature agents like Condon and Dogra. When this is all said and done, getting rid of the last agent (Taylor) may be the worst thing Peters has done.
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if peters misses more than 2 or 3 games i think the likely hood of him being traded starts to approach and then exceed 50%.
if our line and O is decent in the meantime, that likely hood really really goes up. if they put him up there for 2 firsts, it could happen.
atlanta would like to protect their new qb i think.
Peters will not be traded. Either Buffalo wants too much for him, or plain lets him sit while accumulating fines, missed game checks.
The OL, while not superb last season in run blocking, was quite adept at pass protection. We all know Peters was a big part of that. I hope Walker/Chambers can adapt to their new positions, especially when they take on good pass rushers.
Atlanta, IIRC, spent a first rounder on Sam Baker to protect their newly tabbed starter Ryan. Peters seems to be out of the question. That's not to say teams wouldn't want him, I just believe the price would be too high and the stalemate will continue.
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He's also in the final year of his deal he signed back in 2007. I've heard no talk of his extension, though I wouldn't rule it out of the question. The Bills have 20.9M left in cap room for 08 alone, and I wouldn't doubt they have at least that in 2009.
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Entering the 2008 season, 18 of 32 starting NFL tackles are first round picks, nine of whom were top 10 picks. Eight more OLT's went in the second round and outside of Peters, only 5 LT's were Day 2 picks or UDFA's.
The physical skill set to play LT is so infrequent when compared to interior line play. A premier LT needs long arms, and be strong enough to handle players who can both speed and power rush from the edge. Peters has that, and right now no one else does on the team. Walker's got size, but less than adequate lateral movement. If he had the ability to play LT in Oakland, they'd have had him there after Gallery flopped on the outside.
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Buffalo isn't on the verge of losing the Bills because of a lack of fervor for the Bills. Rather it is because of decades of political decisions that have consistently pushed the area further into economic decline.
JDG
Even worse, the population exodus out of Western NY has continued unchecked for years. That we're not even talking about a stadium for the Bills in a thread about the Colts new home is remarkable. We all know a new one for Buffalo will not be built anytime soon, even if the team remained after Wilson.
Every county in western NY is behind or barely ahead of the population increase in the country since 2000. Little wonder that when jobs leave, people do right behind them. If only those NYC pols actually cared about the entire state. But that's for another time and place.
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I think you switch Youboty with McKelvin until McKelvin shows more as a CB. 1st rounders shouldn't start or play period until they are NFL material.
Every team that uses a first rounder sure hopes their pick is NFL material. Levy wasn't big on starting rookies, but with players moving around in FA and injuries, it's likely every first rounder will see the field their rookie year. Even if they're not 100% ready.
McKelvin needs work, but it's not out of the question that he moves up the depth chart this season. His return skills are already NFL material, but that's a more seamless transition from the college game.
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i agree with this too. it is too early to extend him right now. for all we know, we could go 5-11 this season. but it isnt too early to at least start talks and get an offer on the table.
i am in NO WAY saying we should lock him up now. just that, there is no reason to plan on letting him walk at the end of this season.
Why put an offer on the table unless you're willing to re-sign him? Marv Levy hired him, and I think the current front office wants to see something with what they've got before keeping him for another few years.
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LOL. That might be the funniest thing you've ever posted. The "lackluster front office" put those players on the roster -- you do realize that, right?
Ha. Thanks for allowing me to retire for the evening with a chuckle.
They haven't won a single regular season game yet Hondo. Nor made the playoffs.
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Its fine by me if April decides to advocate for us keeping him because of his ST work. The problem I see with this team is that our most effective O set seems to be using the spread offense with the FB sitting firmly on the bench.
My sense is that it will do a great disservice to our productivity if try to make an offensive silk purse out of Barnes sow's ear play as an offensive threat for us. His blocking ability as an FB has not impressed me at all on running plays and I think Lynch is more productive trying to find holes in the D's nickel or dime rather than us counting on Barnes to clear the way for the RB.
How much time will it take for opposing defenses to handle the spread offense if they go to it more in the regular season? I suspect they'll try it to mask their OL deficiencies, and even though spreading things out is great in theory for HS and College, it's not effective against speedier LB's and CB's. Barnes' presence means they'll have another option should the spread not work. That is, if he can figure his role in the offense and hit someone other than Walker and on ST's.
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What I can't possibly do, BillsVet, is go freaking apeshit over a multimillionaire's childish antics (directed by a puppeteer agent) intended to make him even more of a multimillionaire. I'm actually GLAD Walker got hurt, because now Peters can see that a teammate who shouldn't be playing HIS position suffered an injury. Should make him feel real good, right?
This has nothing to do with "uber-positive" Bills' posts, although I long ago realized that the ONLY thing I share with most Bills' fans is a desire that they win. On most other fronts, we're oil and water. If I have to go through life looking for the positive and being occasionally disappointed, that's fine with me. You keep your silly little pessimistic existence.
I don't have an issue with you being upset Peters ain't there. At the end of the day, we're Bills fans, and I saw a host of pass rushers who couldn't get by Peters these last two seasons.
I would never hold out for a job, because frankly I'm not as in demand as NFL LT's playing a boys game that pays them like CEO's of Fortune 500 companies. But only Peters is, and you'd do the same thing if it were you. Only you're not, so putting yourself in his shoes is impossible.
If you want a background on why I have a "silly pessimistic existence" then look up Buffalo Bills: 2001-2007 and you'll see why. While other teams in this league prosper, fall apart, and prosper again (or just win every year), this franchise has just plain underachieved or worse. It begins with a lackluster front office which amazingly resembles what was in place in 2001 when it all started. Trusting them is akin to putting your money with an investment firm which loses money. Still, the players on the field might just be able to turn it around this year. For that I'm cautiously optimistic.
So before you question those of us who need to see something on the field, do the research. We finally have decent overall team talent, and you're saying the front office is totally immune from criticism for trying to set an example with a franchise player. This from a pro team that's been 45-67 and without a playoff appearance in nearly 9 seasons, just inked a deal to play 8 games for nearly 80M in Toronto, receives revenue sharing, and remains a member of the most lucrative league in world sports.
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So Langston does have a broken arm? Sorry, I missed that news update.
In all seriousness, this thread was not just about the most likely now incorrect report that Walker suffered a long term injury. It's about the reality of where the Bills are at the OT position. You mischaracterized the entire thread as being a doomsday one which didn't fit in with your pro-Bills at any cost mentality.
Bills fans have grown accustomed to having the worst case scenario occur. First reports are generally inaccurate, and I'm thinking this is the case. I don't blame DJ for his first comment, because it was too soon. And I don't blame posters who see a guy walking off the field holding his arm.
I take issue with your comments directed at reasonable fans who aren't always uber-positive. Especially now that a converted RT playing out of position at LT was lost for the game tonight and a guy out of football in 2006 is now starting at RT. You can't possibly believe this is a manageable situation.
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Man you are waaayyy off the mark with that post. The Peters situation isn't about saving the Bills money. In case you missed it the NFL has a salary cap and teams, even the Bills, spend up to it. This is about rewarding a player who has taken a "f*** you" position toward his team and teammates. The Bills are reworking a deal for Evans. Crowell will be getting a deal too. Kelsay got deal. Schobel got a deal. Butler got a deal. All these players show up and play. They talk to the Bills. They show respect.
Peters has not spoke to the Bills since his injury-ending surgery. He has not come to any OTA's or camp. From what we hear, neither he or his agent has even uttered the words" I want a new deal" to the Bills! This behavior to a team that has treated Peters well since they gave him a shot.
So if you are trying to build a team mentality, why do you reward someone who is selfish and is showing no respect to his team or teammates? No one denies Peters deserves a raise. But if you roll over for players who still have 3 years on their contracts then you can expect half your roster to start holding out.
This entire hold out can be blamed on Peters new agent Eugene Parker. Parker needs to get Peters a new deal or else he doesn't make any money off him. But Parker totally overplayed his hand. he assumed the Bills (like you and some other posters) would curl up into a fetal position over Peters holding out. But instead the rest of the team has picked up the slack. So what leverage does Peters have now? Zippo. He can show up or he can lose 3.5 million dollars. His choice.
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C2C is an effective means of fooling fans into thinking the team is devoting max financial resources toward player salaries. They're not, but obviously enough buy that they are. The Bills have about 19M in cap room remaining, though the team's budget probably doesn't call for them to move any closer to the cap, save for an Evans extension which won't get them to within 5M of that figure. Parker knows this (and represents enough guys already to have a high salary) and so Peters doesn't show.
It's you who is off-base, especially citing small deals and of all contracts, Schobel's. The Bills have proven that it will take an awful lot to renegotiate a deal, but come on. Every guy on that team knows why Peters is holding out, and no one's said he's a bad teammate. Only you and message board posters are pushing this ridiculous opinion. No one said anything anti-Schobel when he missed OTA's in pursuit of a new deal.
Peters has more leverage than you think, given the dearth of great LT's, his youth, and unlimited potential. This is not a Schobel thing, who was nearly 30 when he got his new deal. This isn't a mini-deal like K. Williams, Parrish, and Butler received for being average to decent starters.
I'm not happy he's not there, especially after tonight, but don't belittle a pro athlete who had the motivation to want to play, regardless of position and now has the ability to get more money. If you were promoted to a new hugely responsible job, you'd want to be paid more too. Stop being so obtuse.
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They're not. Close thread, please.
eball...TSW's resident speech censor nazi since 2008. All negative Bills opinions will not be tolerated, only his all-knowing analysis.
Get over yourself.
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Again...Jauron just said its a bruise. Chambers may start vs the Lions (just to rest him) but Walker will be ready for Seattle.
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Chambers goes from being the seldom used swing tackle to being a starting RT. Walker has exactly 13 days to get healthy and protect a 2nd year QB's blindside. How do you know Walker will be healthy? I'll grand you he's probably not as bad as a break, but will he be 100% against Seattle and.....Patrick Kerney? We'll see.
Hey, I'm not trying to be negative, but the tackle position isn't reassuring if you're a fan of this football team. Only the most nieve fan is not sweating here. Throw in a rookie 7th rounder and a street FA in Estes, and this team needs serious help-fast. The run game didn't look good tonight, save for a scramble from Losman and one run by Jackson.
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I was talking more about his strengh which as someone else pointed out is suspect
Rotoworld reported Bell's combine bench was 9 reps.
J/K PTR
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I agree this is serious. BillinNYC has been talking about lack of depth at O line before anyone, and we may end up being exposed there.
But, I'm talking about one player, Bell, and he has clearly shown that he can play. I don't know that he's a world beater, but he's only been doing this for a few years. Playing at this level in such a short period of time is nothing short of impressive. The other thing is: no one has any idea how this plays out. Walker could end up fine, and Peters could report tomorrow. In that case, none of this is a big deal. However, it's true that it doesn't remove the problem of questionable depth.
Finally, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but: Duke Preston had a pancake block on the goal line TD, and Omon jumped in right behind him. He also looked pretty good in pass protection. Perhaps Duke has finally learned the job? Or, perhaps I'm always too optimistic?
I hope Walker's got a minor sprain, but I believe he's going to miss time, perhaps as much as two weeks. It will tell me a lot if Peters showed up and was ready to go with what's happening, but I doubt it.
I think Bell could be decent down the road, but let's not get carried away. He benched 225 nine times at the combine, and is probably a practice squad guy at this point. If he's starting or serving as a primary backup, this teams has serious issues and would hope the Bills have the presence of mind to avoid this.
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Quinn Gray...(in Belushi voice) dead!!!
Niedermayer!
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I'm not so sure. Demetrius Bell has looked darn good out there tonight.
He hasn't exactly faced decent competition. Freeney left early, and defenses will know that if he's starting, the weakness on the OL is a rookie 7th rounder at the most important line position.
Everyone talked about game planning, or lack thereof with Pittsburgh on their part. Once the season starts, the starting QB better grow eyes in the back of his head. He's a project now first string on the depth chart. Before the Peters and Walker issues, I figured he'd be PS material until he gets stronger. It's good to hear Walker may not be as bad as we first thought, but they are extremely weak at tackle. Chambers, Bell, and Estes are their only healthy tackles as this point.
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Indy's got serious issues at QB behind Manning.
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Bobby A...what's happening tonight?
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I think Hall has been more impressive than either Omon or Wright, though Omon looked good tonight. But Wright seems to have special teams value. Hard to say who makes it.
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I can see Wright getting the axe (or is it ask Deion?) but Omon is a pick from this year's draft. Maybe I'm putting too much into that, but Hall's a UDFA, and teams don't normally cut draft picks in favor of UDFA's.
Then again, who cares. Whomever is third string RB isn't seeing the field unless it's ST's.
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But Bruce Hall may make this team.
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Ahead of Wright and Omon?
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Yes but Reggie Corner looks good. So McKelvin is on return duty this year.
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That's kinda like saying John McCargo hasn't been good, but at least we "found" Kyle Williams.
It's not okay if a first rounder busts (and by no means is Leodis even close to a bust) but finding an average player later in the draft at the same position your first rounder plays is no consolation.
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Wilson did make some plays for us last year though
Didn't you watch the opening tonight? The time is now...last year's history according to the NFL intro to the game.
Wilson was forced into the starting safety role, and was had a gift wrapped one from Romo. Outside of that I'm not so sure he's more than a depth/ST player.
Peters holdout lacks a cheering section
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I've read Graham's column which states that a few unnamed players now doubt even if Peters shows at this late juncture he'll contribute very little. I'm not quibbling over a statement, but the article itself does not paint any unknown players as being completely anti-Peters. I'd anticipate that could change if he carries this thing deep into the regular season and Walker or whomever plays OLT becomes a liability.
It is telling that some agent or agents agree with the Bills stance, because this impasse has surpassed every other holdout in the NFL. I'll be interested in what the players think after Week 1, as I can see that becoming a point of no return for Peters' teammates.