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Corey Dillion is a dlck. I don't care if he wants to be a Bill or not. I don't want him.
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The Offensive Line Market move very quickly this year in FA:
Offensive Guard
Steinbach, Dielman, Dockery all signed
Offensive Tackle
The ESPN Top 5 of Leonard Davis, Tony Pashos, Jon Stinchcomb, Luke Pettigout, Langston Walker -- all gone
For our remaining positions of potential need other than RB..the market has been very slow--CB, LB and DT still many of the top remain---did Marv and DJ know something?
Yeah, they did. They also knew that it usually takes a few years for an O-lineman to develop, so drafting Justin Blaylock wouldn't have helped the line much this season.
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Here's a nice Marshawn Lynch statistic
Fumbles Lost in College Career: 0
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This may be off the subject, but Ted Ginn looks like he could have a bigger impact than either of these guys. I am not saying "Draft him Marv", but I would not be unhappy with Ginn.
I don't know how to make a link, but do a Youtube search on him. Blew my mind. Big play after big play for about 3 minutes, half of them he is UNTOUCHED!
Update: I just watched it again! Now I am saying "Draft him Marv".
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Oh, yah, Marv does not zero in... Oh, but he does.
Donte Whitner
Kyle Williams almost in Rnd 4 instead 5.
Not saying I diagree with the strategy to not do it but I do think Marv does do it some. No doubt.
You're right. What I really meant was that I don't think the Bills have zeroed in on
Linebacker first round
Cornerback 2nd round
Running back 3rd round, etc.
I think they get input from college coaching staffs that they trust (Ohio State) (not Texas, I hope), meet players at the combine etc., and then decide their draft board, weighing need, talent, and personal profile.
Patrick Willis seems cool, but I have a feeling there are alot of hard, heart tugging stories at the combine. In fact, some guys would probably never talk to the media about some of the things they have been through.
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From what I have studied and seen there are more quality running backs in this draft then LBs, therefore putting a priority on them meaning a RB is more than likely a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
A reasonable argument.
Though others on this board have scoffed, I posted 2 lists, one was of Hall of Fame running backs and their draft position (which kinda confused the issue), the other of the featured running backs of all the Super Bowl winners (which zeroed in on the issue).
Almost all of them were #1 picks, especially the repeat winners. My point was that generally you need an elite back to win the Supert Bowl. There are lots of excellent backs that have been picked in other rounds, and some of the first rounders that won the Super Bowl were nothing special (Antwaine Smith?), but that IS the way it has been. Surely this isn't coincidence?
I am not saying, just draft any running back, the guy has to be worthy (I am not claiming to know if Marshawn Lynch is worthy or not), but you need an elite runner, and you have a BETTER chance of getting him in the first. When people reference past draft busts ("not ANOTHER #1 running back bust") I find this silly. Different regime, different circumstances, different players)
I think a linebacker like HH Blades would be fine. I also like Brandon Siler. neither are first round guys.
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I am going to give my opinion on why I do not want to see another first round RB. First, I Hope we resign A-Tain and draft a back in the second or third round. Now JP is gonna need a lil help to distract a defense on 2 and short and third and short. This is why I'd like to see Greg Olsen drafted in the first round. We need more then one or two receiving distractions. In a big set with two good tight ends this will be a huge distraction. I say look for Marv to draft to open up the receiving a little bit more and when that distraction has to be faced, bam, here comes the RB, thus a scary balanced offense.
I could see the argument for a defensive guy in the first above a running back, but not a tight end. A RB that can catch the ball would touch the ball way more than a TE.
Michael Bush looks a little slow to me, and I have read he doesn't like to/can't block.
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They are gonna be better this year.
The offense is gonna be fun to watch. They have JP and Evans. JP is a rising star. There will be plenty of preseason talk about him in the national media (when they bother to talk about the Bills), with alot of big plays from last year being shown in the background.
A few weeks into the season everyone in Buffalo will be excited and it will be fine.
Bring on the panic about the defense. London fletcher wasn't that good and Nate will be missed, but some of the other guys will be better too. Whitner, Simpson, Williams, and McCargo will have a season under their belts, I don't think they will be worse.
The defense wasn't that great last year, and I expect it to be about the same this season. But the offense will be waaayy better.
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rhodes, dillon could have been a good change of pace setup with players from winning teams. so much for rhodes. i think any combination without rhodes is sub-optimal.
Whew, dodged a bullet.
Now if only Dillion will sign with someone else I won't have to have that dIckhead on my favorite team.
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I have been reading alot of posts and over the past years there have been some well thought out opinions on this board but this year i am not seeing it heres why.
First lets touch on Mcgahee and the Facts. He has never been happy with the fact that we drafted him and didnt pay him what he felt a 1st rounder was worth. He wasnt happy because he felt his TD incentives werent going to be reached because the team wouldnt use him in the red zone. He wasnt happy with Buffalo stating he wanted to go to a warmer environment and mentioned many of times over the last two years about his contract and wanting to be traded. He never looked to be on the same page with JP over Jp's starting tenure. Worst of all he could not be counted on in 3rd and short situations. He doesnt have the break way speed he had in college and his hands were not that great. JP did great dumping to the RB when the RB was Anthony Thomas.
Now that we have traded him every wants us to waste our 1st rnd pick on a running back in a draft that none of the RBS are worth drafting in the first. Jauron has the right plan this year and that is running back by committe and Anthony Thomas is definately one we need to resign Im not sure about the rest of you but I seen him run harder than WM evry time he touched the ball there was a game where on 10 attempts WM had a 1.5 average while Thomas had a 10 yd avg and i wondered why they didnt keep giving him the ball. So to compliment Thomas we need another runner injury prone or not Chris Brown is the best option.
Spikes isnt being as actively Traded as WM was and based on on my understanding of comments Spikes will be with us this upcoming season leaving us a MLB and 2 CB to be replaced and there are two great options that should be available to us in the First round and that is Leon Hall and Patrick Willis and to be honest with you after watching Marv smirk when he said he had options of trading into the first round leads me to believe he is going to try and Draft both of these players. Youboty is not ready to be a starter maybe a nickle back but not a starter and the Bills are aware of this and Hall looks like hes ready to start immeadately.
The other position of need after that is a FB and i dont see where they are going to get some one or who is left the might be targeting the could be adressing this in the draft or not.
So essentially I see them drafting on the first Day these positions of need.
1A Leon Hall-CB
1b Patrick Willis-LB
3rd Rd(frm baltimore)- Darius Walker-RB
Overall I am not as uncomortable witht he moves that are being made. Our offensive line is a huge improvment over any of the past 5 years regardless of how much we paid them. Essentially we should be able to run thte ball well regardless of who has the ball and be able to protect the QB.
The defense needs to get younger and faster and there is no way i would have spent 10 mil a year on Clements hes not a TY Law Champ Bailey type of player. QBS have never been intimated at throwing in his direction and Bellichek really degraded him last year when talking about him and hes considered the defensive genious.
The Fact is players leave every year every team in the leaugue has this problem and big name siginings does not equal playoffs just ask the Redskins they havent made the play offs and the sign and trade for every marquee player available. Its teams like the Patriots who build there team through the DRAFT and sign free agents that fly under the radar for the most part. Im not down on this upcoming season. I will see how the rest of FA goes and especially the Draft and once I get a look at our product on the field then I can determine where we will be. Last year I was only two games off and they played even better than I expected them to hanging around in close games they could have won only to lose a heartbreaker. The fact is the team is an improved product even without fletcher/clements and Mcgahee hell our defense gave away atleast 4 games last year so there is definately a need to improve in this area.
But the main point is this it typically takes 3 years for a new Gm/Coach to rebuild a team that is going to compete for the playoffs and in that aspect they seem to be ahead of the pace because they could have a team on the field this year that could be on the brink if not this year they are definatley on track for Next year being a play off year. We need to have realistic expectations and be happy when we are being talked about in playoff contention with 2 weeks left in the season knowing if we got in we wouldnt make it out of the first rd. We need to improve on that this year.
You think a team should go into a draft thinking "we'll get our running back in the 3rd round"? Like that's where you get a franchise back? I agree, if there isn't a RB that's worth a first round pick don't take one there, but to just think that the 3rd round is the place to find him (don't give me a list of 3rd round success stories, the ODDS are not good at all) seems like a good way to waste a pick.
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THe Bills are more than one draft away.
They need some help in the middle of the defense, they need a running back, and apparently alot of people feel they need a top shelf CB as well. That sounds like a couple of drafts to me. That means they should take the BEST GUY AVAILABLE at any of these positions, not
"It has to be a linebacker in the first"
"It has tobe a CB in the first"
"It has to be a RB in the first"
They should take the best guy they can get. I'm sure they will. I don't think they have made up their minds yet. I doubt they are just zeroed in on Patrick Willis, or anyone else.
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It appears that the majority of posters feel that we need to draft Lynch from Cal in the 1st round to fill the hole created by the trade of Willis. This would be a huge mistake. The area of weakness is at LB and our pick in the 1st round should be Patrick Willis of Mississippi. This would allow the Bills to add a great young player, leader and character player to their roster. He looks very much like a young Takeo Spikes. With Spikes here providing a great role model for him.
In the 2nd round I would move to fill the hole at RB with the selection of Tony Hunt of Penn State. Hunt has a great mix of size and speed and if possible, I would do whatever I could to then manuver to take Brian Leonard from Rutgers. A backfield of Hunt/Leonard would provide the split backfield threat that would work very well with the other weapons the Bills have.
As always, am interested in your thoughts on how this scenario would position the Bills in the future.
Why is it that people keep saying we can get a starting running back in the 2nd round, but not a starting linebacker in the 2nd?.
I'll say it again, if the a running back is below par, he is almost useless (only one guy is featured, even with these 2-back teams), but an "average" linebacker can still start and be effective,. Your running back has to kick a$$.
I think they need both a running back and a linebacker (I think running back is a more important position), but should take the best guy on the board (it's not always easy to trade down) at EITHER position (and if there is someone at another position that is just off the map and still there, consider that player).
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They only see him play twice a year because the Bills are never on TV. We saw him week to week, we know more about McGahee than they do. He is nothing special.
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If the playbook thing was true, I would lose some respect for the coaching staff for keeping him on the field. I don't think it's true. More likely an exaggeration,like "a few times Willis needed some extra help from the sidelines with a newly installed play" (something that surely happens league wide now and then) becomes "Willis doesn't know the playbook".
I believe we would have seen more of Anthony Thomas were this rumour true.
I think if Willis had stayed he would have had his best year (running behind a much better line) and by the end of the season would have loved it here. Winning makes everything better.
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I keep hearing about Michael Bush. He looks a little slow, and I have read that he hasn't a clue how to/doesn't like to block. And of course he broke a leg.
The thing I like about Lynch is that he can catch the ball. I like the guys that can stay on the field when 3rd down comes around. It gives the defense more to worry about.
I'm not sure why, but now it doesn't seem so unlikely that they would draft a wide receiver if one was obviously the best player on the board at 12.
Wow, I watched a hightlight reel of Ted Ginn, and I have never seen anything like it! Just long run after long run, half of them he is UNTOUCHED. I'm not saying "draft him Marv!" Just WOW!
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Even here, the land of common dense, I am really kind of surprised by the concept that Willis would or could never be good in Buffalo.
OJ Simpson was the same way. Hated being drafted by the Bills, hated Buffalo, didn't play well, got hurt, looked disinterested, lasted four years, wanted out, and then suddenly what happened. They got a coach who got a line and gave him the ball. He soon loved Buffalo, thrived, excelled, and then played out of his head, probably the best player the Bills ever had.
Jim Kelly went to Miami, didn't want to play here, didn't come for a few years, struggled early, partied hard, screwed a lot of unmarried women, thought he was God. Suddenly they got a coach that surrounded him with some players and suddenly he loved Buffalo, excelled and became the face of the city. Maybe the most beloved player ever.
Was Willis going to repeat what OJ and Kelly did? Who knows. It's debatable. Perhaps not, or even probably not. But you can't say it wasn't going to happen.
Okay, maybe he doesn't have the talent of those two. Surely, he's not as purely talented as OJ. But most everyone here thinks he could be a pretty great if not dominant player if he just tried a little harder. And I am not so sorry to see him go myself if we get some decent replacements. There is an addition by subtraction factor, and I understand the new culture that Marv and Jauron are trying to bring and build here. So it's probably a good move overall, and I think that's exactly what Jauron was referring to. My issue is the idea that he just stinks and could never succeed and could never do it in Buffalo, or that he's not a Buffalo guy. Kelly and OJ weren't either for 3-4 years. He was never given a line or an offense or a team of winners. He also had some great games, and contrary to popular disbelief, worked his ass off most of the time.
I hope he does well, except, of course, against us.
Excellent points, Buffalo has too much pride. Most people that live here,if suddenly given milions of dollars, would probably move.
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I have always disliked Corey Dillion. He seems like he is always the biggest a$$h0le in any room he is in. He, Ricky Watters, and Kellen Winslow Jr. are my 3 least favorite players EVER. Just total dlcks. I would hate it if he was on the Bills.
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I know I have seen some reponces to various threads, but this is the way I take Marv is intent on building the team.
IMHO, when Marv talks about building around character guys, he is not talking about about having a 53 man roster of choir boys. He is talking about football character. He is talking about guys who are willing to put in the time to be the bast they can be. Guys who love the game, and who play to win more than they play for a paycheck. Guys who will spend the offseason becoming boys with their teamates, in Buffalo, not at the U training facilities. Guys who value the team over the individual. Guys who bust ass every play, not only when they feel like it. Guys who understand football is the ultimate team game, and respond accordingly.
Lets face it, by all accounts Marv had the hardest partying team in the NFL for quite some years, but dammit they cared about each other and they cared about winning. They laid it on the field every Sunday, and while they came up just short 4 years running, they never gave up. Thats the "character" marv wants!
Friigen Willis didn't fit that mold. My gut tells me he goes for 1500 next year with the Ravens, but so what? he wouldnd"t do that in Buffalo, and he wouldn"t fit in with the rest of the boys busting stones to win, not pile up stats.
I am one who didn't hate TD, but lordy, I have never been happier with a GM than i am now with Marv.
Exactly.
This whole "character" thing is like a national sports buzzword. Lots of people project their own definition onto the team. Lots of moralizing going on. Lots of stones being cast. You captured the essence of what I believe (project?) is the kind of "character" Marv is looking for.
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WM was my favorite buffalo bill outside of nate clements. Overall though I'm less concerned about losing them and more concerned about who they'll be replaced by. As long as the bills dont think they can get by with the scrubs on the free agent market.
I could understand wanting to keep Willis, maybe liking some of his running plays, but you're FAVORITE Bill was Willis???!!! What did you like about him? His interviews? The way he wore his hat sideways? Did you think he was a "cool guy"?
What do you look for in players?
I'm not a Willis hater, really.
He was a dumb jackass.
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Aw crud.
On the plus side, nothing can ruin a locker room quite like Randy Moss.
I don't think Belichick would ever let that guy ruin the locker room. First sign of trouble, he's out on his a$$. That could be bad news for McGee
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Not to mention Holcomb's trade value. Maybe we can package he and Willis to Chicago?
You really think Holcomb has "trade value"??!?
I doubt any one will want to pay that guy $1 million+, let alone give up draft picks/a player.
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Where did the information about Willis not knowing the playbook come from. It seems like a rumour to me. If it were true I think we would have seen at least a LITTLE more of Anthony Thomas who didn't play too bad when given the chance. Something seems wrong with that rumour.
I just think Willis tries to be too cool, and ends up a fool. Like when he said he didn't know it was 4th down, I think he was trying to act like it was no big deal, "I don't notice pressure" kind of thing, that he didn't realize (because he is not very bright) would make him look worse. He never pointed fingers, or threw teammates under the bus so far as I know (the comments by his agent don't count), and actually seems to be well liked by his teammates.
I'm sure there have been many Bills players through the years who would rather have played in a different city (there sure seem to be alot of people FROM Buffalo that have left). Willis was just fool enough to talk about it with a reporter
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Samari Rolle used to be a grade-A corner, but he has clearly lost a step and was widely viewed as the biggest question mark in their seconday whent he playoffs rolled around, perhaps hed fare better in the cover 2 but its too hard to tell.
Also, anyone who thinks Dominic Rhodes is a better back than Chris Brown is fooling themselves. Rhodes is the definition of average, at best. THink about it, hes always played alongside Peyton Manning, so the threat of the pass was always severely more dangerous when he was in the game AND hes had teh benefit of the colts offensive line his entire career. PLUS, FYI Rhodes is injury prone too & questionable character guy.
We must NOT sign him to be anything more than a backup or the 2-back in a timeshare operation.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
I think the best way to get value for Willis is a player for player deal, but I would rather they keep him than take a 3rd rounder or start any of the RB's I have heard bandied about.
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The Pac-10 is solid as a whole, but lets just say defense isn't the number one concern in that conference.
Most college teams have some games that can pad stats. Auburn played UB.
Ted Ginn
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I know the Bills have needs, I know they need a big receiver for the red zone. I know. But watch the Youtube highlights. They could use a receiver. If you go best player available, biggest impact.....Maybe I'm high.