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exacrly why the Bills took Antowaine Smith in the 1st round.
you don't want to be passing up those Hall of FAme RBs.
No one said EVERY 1st rounder is great. I posted a list of all the HoF backs, almost all were 1st rounders, same with the Super Bowl winners.
Now is the time to draft a 1st rounder, I just hope that the guys available are worth it.
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1. There are few great Running Backs- most of a running game's success is directly related to the o-line. it is a also a position where the career is short. it does not make sense to draft high: this means the Bills will wait till Round 2 or 3 to draft a RB
2. Corner Back is not as important as Safety in the Cover 2. the corner is needed for run support and the short zone as does not need to be a 'lockdown' corner: no 1st round CB for the Bills
3. You need to be strong up the middle to play the cover 2. based on last year's dismal run defense the Bills need is at NT and MLB. is John McCargo ready- who knows. can Spikes come back-?: Marv's opinion on this dictates if we draft Okaye or Willis. Branch's poor work habits makes me think we will pass.
I posted a list of all the Super Bowl winners RB's. Almost all of them were 1st rounders, and some were from the days when the draft was half as long.
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With all the negative posts, and "sky is falling" worrying, I am interested in seeing some of my fellow posters Super Bowl predictions.
Basically it's " If the Bills have so many glaring needs, and the Bills management is so incompetent, which team do you prefer this season?".
It would be cool if this was a PINNED POST, so then others could reference a posters preferred organization.
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The central question is, when can we at least get to the playoffs and be in a position to win one game in the post-season? Because now it seems enough people are saying to wait some more, another season and a draft to be exact. That's not acceptable. How many years of building to get to a level where we can see playoffs? 2 more? 3 more?
If I'm waiting until after three Levy (read Jauron) drafts, I'm looking at the 2008 season! I don't think a lot of fans have that much patience.
The NFL is always a win-now mentality. I think you've gotta have patience, but only to a certain degree. At some point you've gotta wonder when. And if it takes Marv three years to get the team to the playoffs, what is in the water down there at the Meadowlands that allows the Jets to make it to playoffs the same year they hired Mangini?
What are you gonna do about it? Fire the management ? Start over? Move?
Plus I still wanna know who you (and others) think is gonna win the Super Bowl
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Here goes in no order:
I like the phrase, "holding your own." But it leaves too much open to question. Call me negative, but I just like to have a reason for an opinion. I sure as heck hope that the players Buffalo is confident in will work out this season. Kyle Williams ended up teaming with Tripplett as the 1 and 3 tech respectively, but I can't believe for a second that McCargo and Tripplett won't be teamed together at some point either. I think Buffalo will adapt their scheme a little more to the players they have and their talents. Holding your own last season got us a defense porous against the run. Actually, I don't think that's holding your own. Not trying to be a smart aleck, but that's my take.
***I know most people say you can't grade a draft or a player until they've been in the league 3 years. But we shouldn't say they're good OR they're bad after one season. I'm fine with them holding their own, but at some point they've got to produce. And here's to hoping they can. If we're using our drafted players so much, using this mantra becomes less relevant. With so many rookies playing, so go the Bills. And that's when you can say something about rookies and their play.***
One thing about tackles, a stat cited in excess on this board. I don't think they tell the true nature of a player. It's a purely subjective assessment of a player's abilities. Lots of tackles doesn't always mean good things...especially from safeties. We talk about Fletcher's tackles downfield. Well, where were Whitner and Simpson making theirs? I'm willing to bet they weren't within the first three yards of the LOS or in the backfield. They were downfield, sometimes way downfield.
And I'm never going to need a rookie to be a Pro Bowler. That's just insane, unless you've got that rare talent who can adapt to the NFL and use their physical tools. Marcus McNeill was one heckuva a LT last year for SD. He's the exception. But I would expect that down the road we're going to have a Pro Bowler or 2 in the next three years from the 2006 draft class. It's not the end of the day if we don't, but with all the talk Whitner gets, I hope he becomes one.
The question is, where are we going to get improvement to take this team from where it was last season to being a playoff team this season? If you're not trying to get into the playoffs every year, you're not trying.
Name the team you think will win the Super Bowl this season
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Where did I talk about Super Bowl there? I do think it's reasonable to ask for a playoff appearance at some point. It's true free agency has thinned the talent of the league, not to mention the addition of 4 teams since the 1995 season. That's 4 team's worth of players which 20 years ago would have been spread across the 28 teams before expansion. So yeah, the product is obviously cheapened.
I completely understand NC and LFB going in free agency. But did we acquire someone with a combination of experience and talent that can step into the position? We really didn't...Crowell we hope can play MLB and either K.Thomas/Youboty are supposed to be the solution at one CB position. We're calling on Ellison to play WLB after only a few NFL starts. And let's not even go RB now.
The point is, guys let go for extremely legitimate reasons. But who replaces them? Sure you can find options within the team, but not all the time. And I don't think it's right to splurge in Free Agency every season. You build through the draft, but those picks aren't always going to be big time contributors their rookie seasons.
I'm not one to select best player available just because you've got so many areas to make better. That's not a good thing no matter how you slice it. RB, CB, LB, DT, take your pick. All need improvements.
And as for the "some" who critique the moves the team has made, we all can make our own opinions. I don't care what one lone voice in the forest says about Buffalo. Guys like Peter Kind slobber over the Pats all off-season, but there's nothing that says what you have on paper wins games. But it's apparent to me we're relying too much on rookies to make our team better.
My point is that when the Bills are ready to make a real run for the Super Bowl, these guys won't be rookies. Because they are still BUILDING the team, they can pick the best player available in any one of their need areas. Will it EVER happen? The odds are against it (31 other teams working on the same problems), but the Bills have to time their acquisitions properly. To fix the mess of the previous regime could take some time, but I expect the playoffs this season.
This is Marv's 2nd draft, give the guy 3 drafts at least.
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Sure, every team has weaknesses. And it's up to the other team to exploit them during the game. But it's a widely held belief that depth at RB, CB, LB, and DT is thin at best. With the salary cap comes limitations. We all know the Bills can't have the caliber of teams they had in the early nineties when you could have players backing the starters up who could play relatively well.
Some people have said they're fine with the team, particularly how Marv and DJ (emphasis on DJ's opinion given to Marv) draft. Still, I think the biggest lie is that they'll feel comfortable taking another year's worth of rookies and plugging them into play and feeling confident about it. I just don't believe it. Marv didn't like playing rooks back when he coached, and I don't believe he does now. Last season they played rookies because they had little else to work with. That's continued this season with the departures (NC and LFB I completely understand) in FA. But if every season we're forced to play rookies, how far can this team go? Not all draft picks succeed and sometimes they're high picks. Marv does not have the Midas touch, no matter what anyone on this board says. And neither does DJ.
EVERY team is forced to play rookies. The quality of play across the league has dipped because of free agency.
I can't recall Marv talking Super Bowl at all. He hasn't "lied" and claimed "were going for the big one right now", instead they say we're "trying to win now".
They are BUILDING the team. That's the point. Thats why you don't just try to fix your "biggest" weakness. Instead you try to get the best player available in your need areas, not a specific position.
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EVERY team team in the NFL has weak spots, all are doing their best to cover for those players.
No matter who or what the BIlls draft, they will have a glaring weakness. That's why I hope they choose the best guy available at one of their need "areas". If a particular linebacker stands out as head and shoulders better than a particular RB or a D-lineman, I hope they take him, or vice-versa. I would hope most Bills fans would think this way instead of zeroing in on one particular need.
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With the depth of RB in this draft, I am about willing to trade my left *** to say that a LB and CB, through trading, come in the first round. It was said before while McGee does an okay job, he is not the future corner of the team.
Whoa! Slow down.
You sound like the kind of guy that only has one ball left.
Better save that one for better odds and bigger stakes.
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Hall was a senior this year. Youboty was drafted as a junior. If Youboty had stayed in school, he would have been a top rated corner coming out this year. Why spend a first rd pick on a senior CB?
It's simple, they won't.
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Jim Brown played in the AFL when there were 8 teams, and plus he had a team around him, What did Barry Sanders have around him? He was the Detroit Lions.
8 teams means EVERYBODY was good. Higher standards. Of course modern atheletes are better conditioned etc. but he was easily the best of his era and I think that's what you should go by. He was better in his own era than anyone else has ever been in the others.
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When I look at Bush highlights, I see a guy who is top-heavy, without much balance, that seem to go down pretty easy. He has quick feet for his size, but doesn't seem to be moving very fast. I'm not impressed. Lynch looks waaayy better. Lower to the ground, with GREAT balance. Bush goes down easy when running around the end. #5 on the reel - Lynch would never go down so easily.
(i just read the whole breakdown and realized that guy says the same thing)
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Before you start throwing the idiot word around I suggest you read my posts. I've been clear in stating that IT'S NOT ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTION:blink: So stop disclaiming for things I'm not saying and stop projecting idiotic interpretations that aren't there. It's very tedious for me that the level of reading comprehension around here would get most people in trouble - in 5th grade.
Whether you have heard anything before doesn't matter - I am telling you now - Marv saw his teamwork with Polian work well, and that is the model he is using now with DJ. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INDIVIDUAL EFFORTS. You seem to be the one hanging on "whose" draft it is - which is irrelevant for reasons I have already stated. As far as Butler goes, I have already addressed that.
Blow me
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I'm a big fan of the Bills going back to white helmets.
It can only help. I've lived here in Cincy for 17 years, and watched a ton of B'gals vs. Browns games. They both have variations on a orange/brown/white uniform theme, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen QBs from either club through the years toss a perfect strike into the hands of a wide-open defender, thinking it was one of his own...
yeah, that was why the Bills changed to red in the first palce, so many teams had white helmets. I like the red best myself. Maybe they could use the blue from the throwbacks on a new uni. I don't like any of the uniforms that are based on the Broncos (I think they were the first) uniforms. That silly curved "stripe" down the side of the pants just bothers me,. I really want the Bills to lose it.
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They are Marv/Polian's period. They worked as a team - I thought this was common knowledge based on the thousands of press accounts demonstrating that fact show - but apparently it's not. My point is that Marv was around for the Bennet trade, in fact he has stated publicly that he was initially against it and had to be brought around by Polian. And, the point is he has seen that tactic work right in front of him - so it can't be counted out.
Wrt, today I think that you are now seeing the very same team approach with Marv/DJ.
And, I think Butler's involvement is massively overstated by some here because it makes them "right" about things they said 6-10 years ago(long story). I don't think Butler had no involvement, I do think that it was run as a team that included all of them.
Therefore, I don't think it's inconsistent to expect Marv to set the same tone today.
I never said Marv wasn't involved. In fact I began to type "Now I know someone will write that Marv had input", but I didn't because I thought that was obvious, and it gets really fcking tedious disclaiming every idiotic interpretation of every post. I know Bills history pretty well. I guess I could ask why YOU never mentioned Polian. I also believe you are underestimating the former head of scouting Butler's input. That is another difference.
My point is that this is a different group of people and the team is at a different point.
I have also yet to read anyone referring to the last draft as "Jauron's Draft", yet he probably played as big a part in this draft as Marv did in "Marv's draft's" of the 80's.
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I believe Fred Jackson is a guy the Bills have the rights too in Europe right now, and I believe he led the league in all purpose yards or something, Marv is pretty high on him
Name ONE running back from NFL Europe that has rushed for say 500 yards in the NFL?
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We probably won't trade him. GOOD TO SEE!
Probbly cut him. He cost's too much. I know that the cap hit is still 3m, but if I owned the team I wouldn't part with 4+mil. for TKO, and I'm less thrifty than R. Wilson
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I didn't read the book but it seems some here have forgotten exactly how the team of the 90's was built: in the 80's. We went to the AFC championship game in 88! How did we get there? We had the best D in the league. That's right I said DEFENSE, not Super Offense. Now a question: How was that D built? Answer: almost 100% through the draft(Fred Smerlas is the only starter pre-Marv that stayed on - that I can think of). The Super Offense wasn't begun in earnest until we drafted(and got immensely lucky, IMO) Thurman Thomas in round 2(we didn't have a #1 - see below), #40 over all in 1988, and Don Beebe in round 3(didn't have a round 1 or 2 - see below), 82nd overall in 1989.
Here's one more thing to consider: In 1987, we dropped 2 #1 draft picks(1998, 1989) a 2nd(1989) and our starting RB who had run for 1,300 yards+ the last two years, just to get Cornelius Bennet(I had to look that up - and it's been so long, I forgot how much we actually gave up - it still shocks me) when Marv was the coach. Therefore we know that Marv has seen that approach work, and it can't be counted out.
So, I don't think it's a surprise that Marv drafted all D last year, and I don't think it will be a surprise when he does it again. And, if Marv is high on a guy I can see him doing whatever is necessary to get him. I also think that we won't see serious consideration paid to the O until next year: which would be in the same pattern of drafting as last time = we wait and draft a top RB in 2008, after two years of drafting D high.
Why are the past drafts "Marv's" but the new drafts not "Jauron's". I think of the drafts from the Polian years as "Polian's" or maybe "Polian & Butler's".
Also that back, I think, was the big pouter Greg Bell who I think was holding out. If he just ran the ball instead of concentrating on being a dlck, he probably would have been kept.
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I think we've taken the approach that it is better to have a clearly defined strength than just be good in all aspects. I think our strength will be our offense this year, and our coaches will be scheming around our defensive deficiencies- something they are more than qualified to do.
A rapidly improving QB, a franchise WR, and a much improved O-line should give us a very efficient offense, and having the best special teams in the league will help greatly. If we have another strong draft, playoffs are a disctict possibility.
Yes. I have mentioned this before. That is why I hope they draft a RB in the 1st. The offense has to progess. If it were to take a step back it could take the whole team down.
Losman loses confidence, veterans all pissed off, defense starts pointing fingers.....basically 2005 all over again. The new core (Losman, Evans) might never recover. Bring in a new qb blah, blah, blah.
I don't think the defense will be any worse than last year. I don't think they will miss Fletcher, and TKO will be better or replaced by some who will probably be at least as good as he was this year, plus the young guys will be BETTER.
The offense HAS to move FORWARD
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This board is deteriorating fast. Just silly rumors.
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That's genius. If any team were ever to attempt to showcase suckiness, it would be the Bills.
So let me get this straight: They have Willis. They see he sucks. They know they're going to trade him after the season. So they play him instead of the better guy so they can show other teams how good he is so they get a better trade offer.
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Althiugh anything is possible with Marv in this draft, I think that people should realize just how much Jauron really likes A-Train. Whenever DJ has been in power, A-Train has been his guy and there hasn't been anything said that would make you doubt that since we traded McGahee. I don't even expect us to draft a RB in the 2nd rd, unless we make a trade that gives us one later in that rd. I look for us to grab a RB with one of our 3rd rders. Someone posted a link on Fred Jackson's bio. This guy could really be the X factor in this whole RB situation. Looks like Marv really likes this guy.
If Jauron likes him so much why didn't he start him, or at least play him more?
A 3rd round running back is a wasted pick, 2nd round is a needle in a haystack, first round is a crapshoot.
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I wouldn't. Good lesser-known RBs from smaller low profile schools pop up all the time in later rounds who end up being good NFL running backs.
Look at the RBs that have been getting the free agency/trade attention: Dominic Rhodes (undrafted out of Miwestern State), Ruben Droughns (3rd round by Det), Chris Brown (3rd rnd byTenn), Michael Turner (5th rnd by SD out of Northern Illinois).
Other current solid backs from later rounds: Marion Barber III (4th rnd by Dallas) , Mike Bell (Denver - undrafted), Rudi Johnson (4th rnd by Cincy) Chester Taylor (6th round by Balt out of Toledo).
When you consider these players and then the recent 1st rounders that didn't pan out like Willie Green, JJ Arrington and Ron Dayne, it shows that picking RBs can be a crapshoot.
I would.
None of the guys you listed are anything special (no one really knows what Turner can do). I keep posting that the teams that have won the Super Bowl almost all had 1st round running backs and everyone seems to ignore this FACT. Exactly why it seems to take a 1st rounder, I don't know.
If you think it's a crap shoot in the 1st, it's almost a crap shoot in the dark with your bullet lost in a haystack in the 3rd.
You decide if you want a back this draft and use the 1st, or you wait until another draft.
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Midway through round three in 2005 TD drafts Kevin Everett. He has one reception in a Bills uniform. Do the Bills need to draft another TE or are they satisfied with Royal who they signed as free agent last year. I dont remember how much his salary is but if I recall he signed a nice deal. I just have to think that a nice receiving TE that is always there for JP to dump the ball off to if his 1st and 2nd read are covered would be a huge advantage to the offense.
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thnigs i think i know and what does that mean for the Bills
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Because the odds are better than with a 2nd rounder.
Because you're trying to win the Super Bowl. Like I said, almost ALL the Super Bowl winners had #1's.Timing is also important. Right now they have Losman and Evans coming into their own. A back drafted now will start to peak right with these guys. Plus we have a nice high pick, next year we (hopefully) will be lower.
Probably won't work, might be a bust- Sure, teams around the league are building like this as well, obviously it might not work, but it is the best way. Look at past history.