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    Trading players on draft day

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    4 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

    Wasn't AJ Brown traded to Philly on draft day


    I think you may have one there. I think Chad Ochocinco may also have been traded on draft day, but that was like 13 years ago or something.

     

    Maybe a couple others before 2000, but it does seem very rare in the last 25 years.

     

    Trading players on draft day

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    I keep seeing people interested in maybe packaging a player along with a draft pick to move up in the draft. Someone like Cook, or a player who hasn’t worked out well here (Elam was another example in previous years).

     

    When was the last time this was done? I can’t find any recent examples of a player being part of a draft-day trade, though I’m no search expert on this. I can recall one involving Jerome Bettis, but that was decades ago, I believe.

     

    Anybody know of any recent examples? Not that it can’t happen, but it seems like it’s become so extremely rare that I wouldn’t even bother to consider the possibility, especially on Day 1.

     

    McDermott in animated discussion with Roseman?

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    38 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

    It's more like banning a play where one team gets the benefit of the doubt that the first down is made unless there is evidence to the contrary, and another team (the Bills) needs to provide evidence that the first down was made.

     

    Now that the play has been exposed that the refs have no idea with spotting the ball, the play should be retired.  Also it's an unattractive play, already flirting with rule violations in getting pushed from behind, and seems like only a matter of time before someone just goes full out to injure the QB.

     

    You mean like punching him in the head repeatedly?

     

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    Cooper and Douglas

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    I'm sure most teams recognize that both are on the wrong side of 30 with declining skills, and are probably looking at those two as "break glass in case of emergency" players to sign mid-season if injuries become a problem for them. Any team trying to sign them now is probably offering well below what they're looking for, so they might as well wait until some team becomes desperate due to injuries.

     

    Amari Anyone?

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    Ex-Browns WR Amari Cooper Gets Bad News on NFL Future

     

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    Former Cleveland Browns wide receiver Amari Cooper is still searching for a new team, but skepticism is mounting across the league about his reliability as a pass-catcher.

     

    Cooper, 31, is coming off a season where he split time between the Browns and Bills after being traded to Buffalo in October. He struggled to find consistency, finishing with a career-low 547 receiving yards and four touchdowns over 14 games — six with the Browns and eight with the Bills.

     

    Before the season, Cooper staged a short holdout in hopes of securing a long-term extension. While he didn’t land a new deal, he did manage to negotiate a slight raise and secure $20 million in guaranteed salary.

     

    Cooper had a chance to secure a nice payday if he turned in a solid season. But instead, he’s exploring his options in the second wave of free agency. And his reputation around the league appears to have taken a hit.

     

    Matthew Berry of NBC Sports spoke to a coach at the NFL Combine who thinks Cooper’s best days are behind him.

     

    “Amari is done,” Berry said. “That’s not me talking. That’s from an offensive coach of a former team of his I spoke to at the combine.”

     

     

    Would seem to make sense that it's a Bills coach making that statement...

     

    Defensive Tackle: Is it the Players or the System?

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    1 hour ago, Virgil said:

    I really feel like it has to be the system.  I don't think we are a pin our ears back and rush the QB type of defensive system.  I think they are in certain situations, but their primary responsibilities are contain and run stuff first.  Taking that extra second to look out for those things, and then rushing the QB, greatly impacts their effectiveness.

     

    If that's the case, why are we so stinkin' bad at stopping the run??

     

    Defensive Tackle: Is it the Players or the System?

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    18 minutes ago, Logic said:


    I think this is a really valid question.

    The two biggest examples I'd point to that suggest there may be something to it are Tim Settle and Poona Ford. Both played CONSIDERABLY better for their post-Bills teams.

    Put simply (because I am no defensive line guru), I can't help but feel that our defensive line needs its Aaron Kromer.


    Right…and most people, I would argue, were really interested to see how Poona and Settle would perform in this defense, given their promising careers before coming here.

     

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    Defensive Tackle: Is it the Players or the System?

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    Seems like it’s been a long time since the Bills had a difference-maker at DT. Not for a lack of trying, though—the Bills have drafted guys (not many) and brought a bunch in as free agents over the years, but almost entirely without substantial success.

     

    Oliver had a really good year in 2023, but that’s about it. DaQuon was looking pretty good that year too until the injury. Other than those two performances, the best we’ve had is really just average, with most performances ranking below average.

     

    We’ve brought guys in with varied backgrounds and skill sets, only to watch most of them disappoint or perform below expectations. Going back to 2020 that list includes guys like:

     

    Brandin Bryant

    Star Lotulelei

    Vernon Butler

    Poona Ford

    Tim Settle

    Austin Johnson

    Jordan Phillips

    Dewayne Carter

    Linval Joseph

     

    Granted, almost none of these guys were known to be, or were expected to develop into, difference-makers. I mean, for the most part we’ve gotten what we paid for—average, at best, though you could argue it’s even less than that. Then you look at what Poona and Settle did after leaving the Bills and having impact years, it starts to make you wonder…

     

    Is it the Bills defensive system more than the players? Is this a system that just doesn’t bring out the best in this position? If we drafted or brought in a true blue chipper at DT, would he just also underperform or disappoint?

     

    Or is it really just that we have underinvested in the position and it’s purely the lack of high-end talent that is the limitation?

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    This is now on Beane, no question he needs to step up.

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    4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

     

    I know it sounds weird but those are the rules.  Look at Hurts.  He signed in 2023 to a 5-year extension.

    He has "Void years" going through the 2032 season.

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47648/jalen-hurts

     

    It's very risky to do this with too many players BUT Josh is the whole team so using his contract this way is the way to go IMO.

    If the "unthinkable" happens, the team has to blow up everything anyways.

     

    Yeah but 3034 would mean over 1000 void years on a single contract...

     

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    Was Hurts really the SB MVP?

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    Not that it matters, but you youngins don't recall that waaay back in Super Bowl XII (Cowboys stomped the Broncos 27-10, the defense forcing 8! turnovers) they awarded the MVP to two players, Harvey Martin & Randy White from the defensive line. The DL dominated in general, but they gave it to those two.

     

    According to history, "The voters actually wanted to name the entire 11-man starting defensive lineup as co-MVPs, and asked the NFL if this was acceptable. The league said no, and so two players were picked for the award."

     

    I could have seen something like that happening this year, but maybe it was just too tough to pick two of them.

     

    FYI, Denver QB Craig Morton's passer rating for the game was 0.0, the lowest in Super Bowl history.

     

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    Maxx Crosby

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    All I want is for us to grab a difference maker on defense and then go out and have a 1985 Chicago Bears-style season next year to close out the Ralph.

     

    Is that asking too much???

     

     

     

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    The type of wide receiver Josh needs

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    9 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

    Good points. Against both the Ravens and Chiefs I was struck by how easy both of those offenses made it seem with WRs often running wide open, whereas, it seemed like the Bills had to fight tooth-and-nail for every blade of grass.

     

    Some of it definitely has to do with the main coverage scheme (man vs. zone), but there's a lot more to it than that.

     

    We seem to run more zone than other teams, which means other teams' WRs can find open spots if the pass rush doesn't get home quickly enough. Other teams seem to play more man vs. us, probably because our WR aren't great at separation. I don't understand it any deeper than that, though.

     

    The type of wide receiver Josh needs

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    4 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

    Here is what I will say... There are entirely too many times where Josh has dropped back to pass and is unable to find anyone open. Replays often show all the receivers bracketed in coverage. I just want someone who can consistently get OPEN!

     

    I've often wondered how much of this is WR skill vs. passing game scheme. I've just seen too many instances where WRs of ours who aren't particularly fast or awesome at route running (or at least, not as fast or good as they used to be) still get wide open on long passes. Gabe Davis somehow made some of the longest catches in recent years. Diggs was wide open several times on deep routes in recent years, on many of which Josh couldn't connect with him. Same with some other less-than-impressive receivers we've had.

     

    I think I just don't understand offensive and defensive schemes well enough to understand the issue or answer the question. But plenty of other teams manage to get WRs who aren't superstars wide open at times. Why can't we do that more?

     

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