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    Oof - the penalty for being good, but not good enough

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    1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

    trade down or stay put/bpa it is then

     

    I've said it from the beginning that MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze just seem to be a cut above the rest. If the opportunity presents itself, and it's not something absolutely ridiculous compensation wise, then you make that move. 

     

    If we stay put and the Chiefs jump for a WR, then watch the same people saying "we shouldn't move up" claim it was the greatest move ever by an organization constantly beating us out. 

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    Oof - the penalty for being good, but not good enough

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    49 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

     

    nah, man if he trades up, all we'll have left is 4th and later picks which, bleh.

     

    I'd rather he trade our first for an Aiyuk or Jefferson than do THAT.

     

    We DON'T have the $$$ for that. Aiyuk wants to get paid, likely in the $25M-$30M range, and Jefferson has already turned down a $30M per year offer. This team doesn't really have that many holes. CB depth, S depth, another LB, 3-Tech DT depth. A trade up for a TRUE alpha WR, one of the big 3, is not going to hurt us at all. 

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    TSW Mock Draft 3.0 - Completed!

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    With the 11th pick, in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select....... Byron Murphy II, Defensive Tackle, Texas. 

     

    After Daniels was off the board at #3, there was no QB worth trading up for in our eyes. The defense, however, does need some work as well. We take whom we feel is the best DT in this draft. A guy who will slot in as a 5-Tech in base sets, and a 3-Tech when we go into our 4 man fronts. He gets after it on the interior, having had 6 sacks and generating 36 pressures this past season. He is also stout against the run. A true 3-down interior defender. Brian Flores rejoices. 

     

     

    Side note: Been so busy at work today I missed my chance at trading up for Daniels, who was my guy. C'est last vie. 

     

    @HappyDays and the Bears are on the clock.

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    Legette vs. McConkey

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    I would take Legette. Go back and watch the college highlights of AJ Brown. They are VERY similar in size and style of play. I would say that Legette is probably faster in the open field though. McConkey reminds me of a taller Beasley. Even though I think McConkey will be solid for what he does, a possession guy who gets you 4 or 5 grabs a game for 50-60 yards, I see Legette as the game-breaker type of WR this offense truly needs. 

    Lance Zierlein: Bills should draft 2 WR in the first 3 rounds

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    25 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    OK, so two points here.

     

    Samuel and Davis are two very different cats with different primary skillsets as WR.  Samuel is a converted running back who during his career  best year and in Washington, has taken most of his snaps from the slot.  He has the release moves and the speed to be more effective as a boundary receiver than, say, Beasley, but it's not been his primary thing.  Davis, on the other hand, just could not run those crisp routes over the middle; he lacked the quickness.  Maybe it was his ankle injuries, I don't know.  But he had the physicality and the strength to win outside and the ball tracking skills to seal the deal.

     

    Bottom line: Davis production, and Samuel production, different production.  Would have added to each other great, don't replace each other.  Now maybe Shakir can become an outside threat, but he'd kind of be the first 29" armed player to pull that off.  Never say never, I guess.   He merits more targets, for sure though.

    I don't really worry about all of the measurements when it comes to people making plays. If a guy can shake his defender, and Josh can throw an accurate ball, then the length of a ring finger added to an arm isn't that much of a difference. I think people get too caught up on the measurement of every arm, toe, and eyelash. I don't think that small of a talking point is truly relevant if the guy is a twitchy, solid route runner with excellent hands. I do think our WR situation pushes Shakir to the outside more often than previously seen, but I think this year will be more of a committee than in years before as well.

     

    I understand Davis and Samuel are different people, with different responsibilities. I just think that Brady will be able to utilize Samuel better than anyone else has and that Josh will be the best QB he's ever had slinging him the rock. I think that Samuel will see career highs in this offense if he stays healthy.

     

    I'm still all for drafting two WR's. Legette and Corley. Legette and Walker. Legette and Rice. Legette and McCaffrey. Mitchell and Corley. Mitchell and Walker. Mitchell and Rice. Mitchell and McCaffrey. Franklin and another guy. Worthy and whoever. We just need to make sure JA17 has some quality options at WR outside of the ones we have now. 

    Lance Zierlein: Bills should draft 2 WR in the first 3 rounds

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    7 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

    I don’t think anyone believes that the Bills are all set at WR.  To me, they need 2, but that won’t solve all of their problems by itself.  So, I feel a modest down year coming.  Get at least 1 receiver, maybe 2 if they are BPA in 1st and 2nd, but don’t expect that will solve the problems of being paper thin on defense this year.

     

    The thing I want to avoid is trading next year’s early picks.  They are set up well to get competitive again next year - don’t give those picks away.

    I'm not expecting a down year of any kind. The offseason talk right now is the same exact offseason talk we heard last year. "Two teams in our own division had passed us, this, that, blah, blah, blah," all by the sports network bobbleheads. We're getting Milano back, and one would hope we can have some better fortune on the injury front this year. Also, the young guys like Torrence, Bernard, Williams, and even Spencer Brown should all be better. One would hope Epenesa's numbers increase with more playing time. 

     

    I also don't see us as being "paper thin" on defense either. We are transitioning a bit in our DB group, going younger at Safety and cutting Tre. We re-signed Rapp and brought in Mike Edwards at Safety. We let Dodson walk. We added some different, but no worse by any means, depth at DT. We let Floyd walk after a single season, but he faded big time down the stretch after the 2nd Jets game in mid-November. We probably need to add a DE between the 1st and 4th. I know there are guys that I like which fall into that range. I'm sure they have their board set up as well. We probably need to add another depth Safety and another depth CB (maybe 2), both positions which McD and Beane seem to have an eye for. Maybe another depth LB or two depending on what they want the roster to look like. We have 10 picks. If we draft 1 DE, 1 Safety, 2 CB, and 1 LB that's 5/10. Get 2 WR's and that's 7/10. The other 3/10 just a mix and match of whatever.

    Lance Zierlein: Bills should draft 2 WR in the first 3 rounds

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    Just now, Low Positive said:

    If you look at the draft trade charts, our entire draft is worth less than the Chargers pick at 5 (I think that the first four picks will be QBs after the Vikings trade up to 4). Even if you add in that pick that the Bills got for Diggs, it's not enough. It would have to be 2024 and 2025 firsts, 2024 2nd and that high second in 2025 plus other picks. And all that for a guy that could bust. That's a high price for a non-QB.

    Just depends on how the board falls. If people start jumping for QB's and people address needs other than taking a WR, then we might be able to sneak a guy between 9-12. I'd trade #28, #60, and next year's 1st for one of MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze. You're also taking a chance staying put and hoping the guy you draft works out. But if we don't, I'm good with Legette @ #28 and going after one of the other guys aforementioned. 

     

     

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    Lance Zierlein: Bills should draft 2 WR in the first 3 rounds

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    3 minutes ago, Logic said:


    I like Shakir and Samuel a lot. Both of them. Probably more than most. 

    But even so, the Bills WR corps is lacking a few skillsets right now.

    Samuel is a guy who can play flanker, slot, and give you some gadget and jet sweep stuff or line up in the backfield. Shakir is a guy who has some degree of inside/outside versatility, but is better in the slot. Both offer good RAC.

    The Bills lack a legitimate, viable X receiver (I refuse to count on much offensively from Mack Hollins). They lack size. They lack a red zone threat. They lack someone who is gonna put a bit of fear into the hearts of defenses. They lack a guy that needs to be gameplanned for or who will ever draw extra attention from defenses.

    I like Shakir and Samuel (and Kincaid and Knox and Cook), but the Bills need more. They need at least two more legit dudes out there. 

    I agree. I'd be good with jumping up for one of the "big 3" in MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze and letting it ride. Or I'd be good with taking Legette and then finding a way to get another guy like Tez Walker, or Malachi Corley, or Ja'Lynn Polk, or Javon Baker. Either way, they have an opportunity to at least take a shot at doing the right thing by Josh this year. One can only hope Beane has the cajones to tell McDermott to go sit in the corner while he looks out for the Franchise QB. 

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    Lance Zierlein: Bills should draft 2 WR in the first 3 rounds

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    5 minutes ago, Logic said:

    Agreed.

    Even BEFORE Diggs left town, everyone in the world said "the Bills need to get more help for Josh". 

    Then we shipped a 100 catch, 1,400 yard a year guy out of town, and Gabe Davis -- who, say what you want about him, scored a lot of touchdowns for this team -- is gone.

    Now, when I mention double-dipping in rounds 1 and 2 at WR, I get a lot of pushback and people saying "The Bills have other needs!".

    But...if the Bills needed to add a receiver BEFORE Diggs and Davis left town, they DAMNED sure need to add TWO of them now!

    I understand the arguments for improving the defense, but to me, nothing trumps surrounding our franchise QB with as much weaponry as possible in terms of importance. Let's end this "Bills don't give Allen enough help" narrative once and for all. 

    I'm good with us grabbing a couple of WR's in the draft between the 1st and early 4th. Still, I think many people see us having added Samuel (who was almost as productive as Gabe was for us in the Commanders offense with Sam Howell as his QB) and think that is a help. They also think the other guys were taking away targets from Shakir, who proved to be a solid and sure-handed weapon down the stretch. 

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    Random talking head says something about the Bills

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    There is a possibility Daboll ends up on the outs in NY this year if they don't get the ship headed back in the right direction. I could see Josh putting in his 2 cents to get Daboll here if McDermott loses the team. But that is the only way McDermott gets fired, is if he COMPLETELY loses the team. Belichick is not being brought in here, not even solely as a HC. 

    Mock draft simulators.

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    Just ran this one on NFL Draft Buzz. Traded back with Washington (received #28) for #36, #78, & #139. 

     

     

    PICK: 36 RND: 2 (BUF)

    Xavier LEGETTE

    WR South Carolina

     

    PICK: 60 RND: 2 (BUF)

    Bralen TRICE

    DE-EDGE Washington

     

    PICK: 78 RND: 3 (BUF)

    Calen BULLOCK

    S USC

     

    PICK: 128 RND: 4 (BUF)

    Mohamed KAMARA

    DL-EDGE Colorado State

     

    PICK: 134 RND: 4 (BUF)

    Jarrian JONES

    CB Florida State

     

    PICK: 139 RND: 5 (BUF)

    Mason MCCORMICK

    OT South Dakota State

     

    PICK: 144 RND: 5 (BUF)

    Luke MCCAFFREY

    WR Rice

     

    PICK: 160 RND: 5 (BUF)

    Kitan OLADAPO

    S Oregon State

     

    PICK: 163 RND: 5 (BUF)

    Marist LIUFAU

    LB Notre Dame

     

    PICK: 189 RND: 6 (BUF)

    Joe MILTON III

    QB Tennessee

     

    PICK: 200 RND: 6 (BUF)

    Trey TAYLOR

    S Air Force

     

    PICK: 204 RND: 6 (BUF)

    Gabe HALL

    DL Baylor

     

    PICK: 248 RND: 7 (BUF)

    Kimani VIDAL

    RB Troy

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