H2o
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9 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
Nice try AI. We all know Josh is laid up with Hailee somewhere.
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37 minutes ago, DJB said:
That 10B$ still isn’t enough money for Tyreek to pay all the child support he owes
Or settle all of his lawsuits for various assaults
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That's an insane amount of $$$ to turn down. But, if I had $$$ like an NFL owner, I would probably not be worried about it either if I just loved being around and a part of the game.
QuoteVia Safid Deen of USA Today, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross recently rejected a $10 billion offer for the team.
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1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:
Love this line: "In a draft like this one, the best WR draft in at least 10 years, to come away with only one guy in the 2nd and some UDFA's is an epic failure."
An "epic failure"? Without ever having seen the new Bills receivers play a down on the Bills--ever.
"Blind homerism" is better than irrational, over the top hatred. Clearly, from reading your posts on this draft, you were armed and loaded, ready to attack like a mad dog foaming at the mouth--before any picks were even made.
Some of the most negative,hate filled, subjective and irrational posts I have ever seen on this board...
At least the 'blind' homers, which I think are as rare as the irrational haters, don't hate their team and hope beyond hope it all falls apart.
It will not--and all of your predictions will be even more laughable at the end of this season.
Another 🤡 response. Here, go find some more to add to my amusement for the day.
https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/profile/7133-h2o/content/
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6 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:
Unless the team is really bad this year McDermott won't fire Beane.
In terms of passing on Mahomes... sure McD traded his draft rights to the Chiefs and he would've been very good but not potential GOAT here in Buffalo. Mahomes has had the fortune of playing under one of the GOAT offensive minds in the game where Allen has played for a Defensive HC that believes in complimentary football to keep his Defense off the field. Under Andy Reid Josh probably has a ring or two by this point.
I hope Beane wouldn't be the fall guy because I'm sure that McDermott full on has his hands in everything as well. I also agree with your sentiment about Mahomes and Andy Reid. I think that is the biggest difference in all of this. It's a tough place to be in because I don't hate either of them like some people want to try and portray. I haven't been one of the constant "fire this person" or "fire that person" people. That's why I say this is a make or break year because of how everything has unfolded.
I don't think people quite understand what I am getting at when I say this. I think that they will get to be here in 2025 unless there is an extreme drop-off. The only way they are ousted is if they go something like 5-12 and McDermott loses the team. I do think that the way everything plays out, as I explained initially, will make or break them. If the draft, and what they did for WR group with Allen works out, they will be heralded as roster savants. If the WR's they passed on excel on their respective teams, but our WR group does not here, then the heat will be on. If they just handed KC Tyreek 2.0 (which I don't believe he is at all imo), then the heat will be on. If the rest of the players drafted look like real impact players for this team, then they will be held in high regard. If they are just more average guys, then the heat will be on. This is what I mean by make or break, that the ENTIRETY of everything that has taken place this offseason will make or break this regime. If it works out, if this looks like they've reloaded, they will be here for the foreseeable future. If the decisions look to have failed, and we handed KC another All-Pro in the process, then I think the heat is on.
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3 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:
Zay had some strong games for the Jags. He turned into a far more reliable receiver than I expected. I am surprised to see them release a guy who was their wr2 or 3 for much of the past 3 seasons.
They drafted Brian Thomas Jr. Zay Jones dead cap figure was also only $6.5M and they still have $34M in space after that. Jones also could have asked for his release after they drafted BTJ because he knew that he would be the odd man out between BTJ, Gabe, Kirk, and himself.
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We already signed Quintez Cephus.
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19 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:
Trying to run him out of town like we did with Lindy? Guess you could see them back here in 13 years? This has been the best drafting since the Polian era. Also as far as McDerm meddling, what do you think a HC does? You think Andy Reid doesn't meddle? Tomlin?
I could care less about hockey. Never been a fan. Reid and Tomlin have SB rings. Reid is probably the best offensive mind the game has seen the last 25 years, knowing how to maximize his guys' talents. And no, I think Reid lets Spagnuolo run his defense exactly the way he wants to run his defense. The track record of his defense is proven, as he's had a hand in 4 SB wins now.
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10 hours ago, Mister Defense said:
You lose all credibility in the 2nd sentence of this long post: "dismantling of the Bills", "the 13 second game" and 'best' of all, "the recreation of wide right".
Don't let your love of McD get in the way of your objectivity!!
2nd best line: "3 OC's in three years"
One became a head coach--should he have turned it down just to stay with McD and the Bills? McD then fired Dorsey because he was incompetent and the made the Bills look like a 2nd rate offense that could not score in the first half and regressed rather than improved. Should McD have let that mess fester more? The only game the Bills lost after Brady took over was an overtime game in which they scored 34 points. Yet, you lump that in, along with the comical "recreation of wide right", the most negative seminal moment in Bills' history, clearly showing your post is just an irrational diatribe, filled with extremely irrational hate.
Just throwing a bunch of nonsense against the wall, and, yeah, it will stick to the brains of the tiny percentage of like minded Bills' 'fans' on this site. But the vast majority will react to those lines and this post in the same way I did.
The draft, with 100% unproven players in every pick, for every team, is the perfect place for the haters, of course.
I'm not looking for your affirmation, so
The Chiefs did dismantle us in that AFCCG appearance. Even though it was close at halftime, you KNEW which way it was going to go. They dominated from start to finish. They had Allen so frustrated he was chucking the ball at people while on the ground.
The 13 Second game was the next colossal flop by a McDermott led squad. It is one of THE biggest flops in Playoff history. To deny that is to live in delusion.
I like how you mention nothing about how we were completely dominated by the Bengals. Out coached, out played, and ran out of our own house.
Did we not just lose by a FG attempt that went wide right? Yes, yes we did. The difference this time? It was to our arch nemesis at home in the Divisional Round, and not in the SB. And our defense couldn't stop a nose bleed that game. Nothing McDermott schemed really worked, at all. We were only in the game because of Josh and the Hardman fumble at the goal line.
Have we not had 3 OC's on 3 years? Yes, yes we have. I know Daboll got a HC job. There were many people at the time who said they would have rather kept Daboll than McDermott. That we should have made Daboll HC. The relationship he and Josh has been the biggest difference in what we have seen from this offense the last couple of years. The mention of the 3 OC's is talking about the constant change, and instability in that room. Josh is a generational talent, yes, and could probably run an offense himself at this point. Still, I hope Brady is the guy who brings stability and innovation back to that room for everyone else. We shall see.
I'm not throwing crap at the wall. I'm speaking the truth. I believe this entire off-season is going to make or break this regime. If the guys we drafted don't look like any of them are going to be impact players, if Worthy becomes a monster in the KC offense, if our WR group ends up as bad as it looks in comparison to the rest of the NFL right now, if Coleman flops, if we are a middling team that ends up 3rd in the division while missing the Playoffs, if other WR's we passed on look good on the field for their respective teams, then this regime's seats will probably be blazing hot in 2025. It will put on full display the questionable choices they have made, as well as everything prior ending back under the microscope, and the talk will be how they are wasting Allen's prime years. And that's IF things play out on the wrong side of the "if's" just like I said before.
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I understand these guys are young, and have money, and all that. At some point you would hope common sense kicks in and they would stop avoiding these places that lead to these situations. I remember when it happened to Darrent Williams, reportedly because Brandon Marshall got into an altercation in the club prior to them all leaving together. Multiple music artists shot, some killed. It's crazy. People are crazy.
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Deebo is not available. It would cost the 49ers $42M. Our cap hit would also be almost $21M. This will never happen.
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Half the time Simms and Esiason just took shots at each other. Now they can go argue in Hardee's every Friday morning for breakfast if they want to continue the tradition.
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7 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:
Someone here will be mad about it
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27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I disagree. I think that they wouldn't have begin this re-load process without Pegs being fully bought in. Unless the season is a disaster (and I mean like losing record territory) they will get 2025. I think expectations are lower this year and that will be reflected in the way things play out.
I fully believe that they will get 2025 as well. I think this is the year that could be what speeds up that process though if the "if's" in my original statement fall the other way. If this team falls flat, if Worthy does turn into this world beater some are acting like he is, if Josh's guys do struggle to get open for him, then I think that seat is BLAZING hot in 2025 for the both of them. And I don't hate either of them, Beane or McDermott. I have been extremely pissed at both of them for various reasons, but I know it's better than anything we saw from 1999 until 2017.
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We have all seen how things unfolded the last few years. A dismantling in the AFC Championship game by KC, 13 Seconds, the flop against Cincy, and then the recreation of Wide Right. McDermott has had friction with multiple coaches because he can't stop meddling. We've had 3 OC's the last 3 years. Frazier was sent packing, McDermott officially took over the defense, and now Babich is going to be "running" things. We've had some questionable draft choices when there seemed to be better options at the time, usually involving selecting defensive players. Now, because of the way they tried to build this squad, and the unnecessary drama, we are in what Beane calls a "transition" phase.
People love to talk about 2017, how we handed KC Mahomes. Beane wasn't here for that though. It was strictly a McDermott draft based off of the work Whaley and his scouts had done. That draft brought us White, Dawkins, and Milano. If not for the injuries that have derailed White's career, we could talk about the entire situation in a different manner. You can't deny that, right now, Mahomes is on his way to staking a claim at GOAT status. It is what it is. Now fast forward to 2024. Knowing what Allen needed, what this team needed, they traded with KC. With the situation that has unfolded with Rashee Rice, you have to believe KC was looking at WR. They take the WR with the fastest recorded 40 of all time. Me, personally, Worthy doesn't scare me. Yes, he's fast. But he has had some drops and the guy is lighter than my 16 year old at 165lbs. Let him get out there to get squared up by some of these LB's and S's who outweigh him by 30lbs-70lbs. I just don't think he's built to last in this league. I don't see him as Tyreek Hill 2.0 at all. Tyreek is 25lbs heavier than him and is a 4.2 guy in pads, as well as on the track. Still, if I am wrong, the Bills FO just handed KC a guy who will give us fits for years to come. It will be another black eye on this organization from something McDermott, and this time Beane, had hands in.
The "run it back" mentality has bit them this time. Because we were so close in the 13 seconds game, they developed this "run it back" type of mentality. Sure, we changed a player here or there, but many of the pieces have been the same squad since then. The weight is always, squarely, on Josh's shoulders. People try to use KC as a comparison and say look at what they were able to achieve without big name WR's, or whatever else. Well, KC has Mahomes, Andy Reid scheming the offense for Mahomes (probably THE largest difference), one of the greatest TE's ever to play the game, has typically had a top tier OL, a REALLY good defense littered with talent across the board, and a DC in Spagnuolo who has been a part of 4 SB winning defenses. Gabe never developed, Edmunds never developed, Von's knee, Poyer got old, Hyde's neck injury, White constantly on IR, constantly cycling out JAG's to fill holes, constantly rolling with meh WR's (outside of Diggs, who became more trouble than he was worth), keeping together a middling OL because Josh makes them look better than they actually are, defensive instability, and have changed the guy calling the offense out 3 times in 3 years. Now, on top of that, we find ourselves in Cap purgatory and still no closer to the goal we wish to achieve.
Going into the 2024 draft, a blind man could see Josh needed weapons on the outside. We had big shoes to fill in Diggs and we needed an upgrade on what Gabe Davis was in this offense. Shakir has shown promise, but he's primarily been used in the Slot. We signed Curtis Samuel, who has primarily been a Slot guy as well. After that we were left with a bunch of JAG's we already had. In the best WR class in at least 10 years, we come away with one WR. I'm not counting the camp fodder UDFA's. We drafted ONE guy. Opinions vary on that one guy. He is truly a boundary WR though. Still, you would have thought this team would have doubled up on boundary guys for the sake of giving their generational talent QB more to work with. Instead they throw all their eggs in one basket by going Safety, DT, and RB with their next 3 selections. Kirby mentioned it in another thread, and I have to concur, that this team looks to have a bottom 5 WR group right now. Until proven otherwise on the field, it is what it is. I think it is a failure, as well as a disservice to JA17, to only have come away with one WR out of this class. This doesn't mean I hate our draft, or grade it an F. I just think it's par for the course we've already seen from this regime, a course that has always seen us come up short.
In the end, I think this year will be the make or break for both Beane and McDermott. To continue to do things the same way and expect different results is madness. If the players they drafted become a foundational youth movement, if you can see the results on the field as to what they were drafted for, if Samuel, Shakir, and Coleman make for a dangerous group, if we can transition on the fly like KC did a couple years ago, and if we didn't just make the KC offense unstoppable again, then they'll be around for a while. But there are A LOT of "if's" in that statement. At some point you have to pull the plug if it's not getting you any closer to what should be the goal of every franchise in professional sports, a championship. We shall see.
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4 minutes ago, Pete said:
Bills missed on Hardy. KC misses all the time. Hardy turned out to be a JAG. Big Baller Beane will keep swinging. Chark ran a 4.34 and would fill that void
And yet we signed Quintez Cephus
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Lol, this is the saddest thread on here in a while. There are people on here that think this WR room is good. We are now suggesting ways to make it even better!! People are talking about adding (in no particular order): Chase Claypool, Kenny Golladay, washed Michael Thomas, washed OBJ, and washed Allen Robinson.
What are we doing here? The Bills needed to upgrade the WR room. They needed 2 boundary receivers at the top of the depth chart. They added one guy that was the most polarizing WR prospect, in arguably the greatest WR draft ever. That’s a massive failure. You aren’t going to dig yourself out by adding Kenny Golladay. As it stands the Bills have the worst WR group in the NFL. The TEs are good and the backs can catch but the WRs are last IMO.
At first I "liked" your post. Then I thought about it and removed my reaction. I thought to myself, "Nah, the Bills can't have the worst WR group in the NFL." So I went on ESPN.com and looked at EVERY roster, the ones I thought could be in a worse place. There are many you know off top that are absolutely better than us. There are only a couple that I even thought, "Maybe we're better than them? Could be a tie?" You're right.
The blind homerism around here is hilarious. People trying to reason and plead their case as to why we're fine, or better off, and we don't have a need in our WR group. That we had a "great" draft. It's like a lawyer who knows his client is guilty as sin, and has a snowball's chance in hell to get off, but still puts a case together for him anyway. The only difference is the lawyer is getting paid. You guys are not.
Kirby is absolutely right. In a draft like this one, the best WR draft in at least 10 years, to come away with only one guy in the 2nd and some UDFA's is an epic failure. Then watching you all plead your cases as to why we're fine, or better
, is like watching people talk up guys during the drought years. Guys like CJ Ah You, Marcus Easley, Kelvin Sheppard, and Robert Foster. Like we don't have a generational talent at QB right now. Like this brass is not continually 💩'ing on him by making a single move here or there instead of going all in to give him EVERYTHING he needs. It's mind boggling to me.
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3 minutes ago, ngbills said:
So does Diggs 99% of the time. It’s is so dumb to say this nonsense like Diggs can’t make that play. Shi$ happens.
Did Allen go over to the sidelines and cuss him out afterwards for the world to see?
No one is saying he can't make that play. The fact of the matter is he didn't. Whether it's crap happening or him just failing miserably, it took place and it was a huge play.
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1 minute ago, Draconator said:
Shakir catches that ball. Kincaid catches that ball. Knox drops it.
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3 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:
You have no clue that Coleman would have been there at 60. That is a ridiculous statement to make just based off of your armchair gm predictions. I’ve seen Coleman going in the first with some mocks.
What are you talking about guy? I said to do what it takes to TRADE UP and get him. I know he wouldn't have been there at 60. That's why I said we could have gone a different route at S and DT because it would have taken our 3rd, and maybe another pick, to move up to get Coleman.
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What it boils down to is the Bills supposed Draft Board. They valued and wanted Coleman above anyone else at #33. After that, there was no WR they saw as worthy of the draft slot they were in at the time. Do I agree with their board? No. I would have taken Legette at #32 instead of trading out. Then, if I wanted Coleman, I would have done what it took to trade up in the 2nd to get him. I believe this team could have gone a different route afterwards to address S and DT because the 2nd would have still been spent on Coleman and the 3rd would likely have been involved. The whole draft could have been different. This was the year to double dip at the top end for WR's, especially in light of our current situation. They didn't. They kept it par for the course. It was quite disappointing.
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3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Who didn't see that statement coming?
Romo goes banco
in The Stadium Wall
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Nice clickbait title. Well played, sir.