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The reason they want to do it IS clear. The legal justification they are using almost definitely isn't as straightforward.

Probably. The news reports are saying that the EPA is planning on regulating CO2 under PSD regs (thus the 250 TPY major source threshold). I don't see how they do that as CO2 isn't a SOX, PM, NOX, hydrocarbon, CO, or ozone depleter (photochemical oxidant). I could see a warped interpretation where they could regulate it as a HAP, but that would lead to even lower major source thresholds 10/25 TPY. The news reports also state that EPA arbitrarily wants to implement a 2,500 TPY MS threshold, but there is nothing in the CAAA that give it the authority to set its own thresholds above those in the CAA or amendments. So I don't see how this survives its 1st court challenge unless Congress revises the CAA again. I didn't see the press release on the EPA site yet, so I'm not sure what justifications they are giving for the plan.

I doubt that it would long term, but it makes sense that it would short term. There are a lot more incentives for gay men and women that aren't in a "committed long term relationship" to keep their homosexuality "in the closet" than there are for straight men and women. While a man would likely introduce his girlfriend of 1 month to his coworkers if he ran into them out in public, it is less likely that a man would do the same with his boyfriend. The random sample of gay couples that are willing to identify themselves as such to polltakers or researchers would be expected to have a higher percentage that are in a "lifetime commitment", than a random sample of straight couples as straight people just starting down the relationship road don't have to be "outed." As gay marriage starts, it makes sense that a higher portion of those choosing to get married are the ones that are committed enough to jump through the hoops (taking a trip to Massachusetts, dealing with their own state not recognizing the marraige, dealing w/ "gay-bashers", etc). As it becomes more commonplace, it makes sense that eventually there'll be "Vegas-weddings" where the bride (or groom, not sure how they decide which is which) wakes up wondering just what the frig they've done and how quickly can they get it annulled.

Missed the SNL he hosted. Will have to catch it when it's in reruns or maybe on Youtube.

While your thought is logical, it is incorrect. If the Bills don't sell out a game in Rich Stadium, the game will not be available to Sunday Ticket Subscribers in the Ra-cha-cha and Syracuse markets. Just because we pay a few hundred to watch the games on the telly is no reason for us to be able to see them. Which really stinks for the people in the Syracuse market, because no portion of the Syracuse market is currently in the blackout region (but a small sliver was when CBS took over the AFC games) so Syracuse is grandfathered into the blackout which didn't occur in Syracuse until CBS took over the rights. I expect the NFL network game in TO won't be blacked out there if it doesn't sell out, but do not know that for certain.

So are you going to get 1 (or 2) of them 1st Aid Kits? "I heard you got cut." (whisper, whisper) "Oh, CUT, cut."

The budget deficit is $14 Trillion?

Huh? So, basically you're saying they're now Connericans? (Or maybe Connericrats?)

They hand out the Nobel Peace Prize. Now if that doesn't set them up for exceptionalism, I just don't see anything qualifying for anyone.

Right now I am expecting to see a 3 way race between a Gingrich type, a 3rd party fiscal conservative, and the incumbent. And my expectations of who wins that race, could be 1, but probably will be 3. Which stinks, because we desperately need a fiscal conservative running the ship. I am still hoping, but not expecting, something will happen in the next 3 years to have the Republicans run a true fiscal conservative (which I don't see any way of happening) or somehow the 3rd party candidate actually becomes viable.

So did Pol Pot. How'd that work out?

Tim, Any word on how the firing went down and what the next steps are?

Yeah, it's 10 months too late, but at least it is a move in the right direction.

Could it be true? Pleeeeeeeeeease be true.

Oh, it definitely looks now like the Democrats will shed a lot of seats in '10. And I would be surprised if Obama's "change" is going over well in '12. And I would definitely like to see a fiscal conservative in the WH. I'm not convinced that the GOP won't have the game rigged to the point that the "next guy in line" won't nearly automatically win the primary and because he's next in line he'll be another Bob Dole. I also don't see the next credible 3rd Party candidate (although it's awfully early in the game for 1 to have come to the forefront). I definitely see scenarios where our Socialist in Chief is challenged by weak enough or splintered enough opposition to squeak out a win. (Especially if he has the voting machines in his pocket. Diebold! Oh, wait, it's the Republicans that could never lose another election because they control the voting machines. Oooops. Nevermind. /-sarcasm)

Until the Republicans or a 3rd Party show they will actually have a legitimate candidate ready in '12, I don't think I'd be lining up to take Kelly's bet. Remember, the Democrats figured out a way to lose in '04 to a guy that wasn't terribly popular and wasn't a particularily good campaigner. While I expect Obama to be unpopular in '12, I have to give him credit for being a great campaigner and he'll have the advantage of holding the bully pulpit. If he's wildly unpopular by then, maybe the challengers will find a way not to miss the softball lobbed at them. In the last 40 years only 2 elected incumbants managed to not get reelected; I'm not in any rush to get to '12 at present based on those odds.

In '08-'09 playing with the EXACT SAME DEFENSE in front of them, Scott had a 2.39 with a 0.917 and Marty had a 2.41 with a 0.916. Whether the defense was crud or cream in '07 or 3 seasons ago doesn't make a hill of difference. Marty is the product of the Devils system, sorry to burst your bubble. I would expect the greatest player the world has ever seen should be able to outplay a career AHLer even when coming off an arm injury. Maybe not. As you suggest, we will have to agree to disagree. I can't believe this thread has been on the main board this long anyhow.

And at age 42, Dom pulled a 2.09. Of course, he's never had to come back from an injury. And St. Marty's losing steam is how he got a shutout in the 3rd last game of the regular season, right? As for "salvaging bad nights." 1st off, the Sabres have won games when Dom had an "off-night" but they were pretty rare; it was far more common for Dom to win a game that the Sabres played poorly in. Please give some examples of games where your beloved Devils won after Marty gave up 4 in the 1st 2; I kind of doubt that they have a 0.500 or better record in those games, though you claim otherwise. Some examples would help to clear that up. And, just so we are clear, if the Devils could win without Marty playing well on a regular basis, you are not helping your case in your claim that he's the bestest goalie ever. So you may not want to dig too hard to find those games that they won after he gave up 4 through 40. You have to be joking about Brodeur being able to keep a team in the game on a bad night better than Hasek could. The Sabres play during most of Dom's tenure were by definition "bad nights." Dom not only kept them in those SEASONS, he had good runs in the playoffs with those teams. The only times the Devils didn't / weren't able to play a defensive first/at all costs game Marty's numbers were VERY ordinary. I am still awaiting your explanation of how the journeyman Clemmensen could have better numbers than Marty did. Or are you stating that coming back from an injury (in which he had TWO shutouts in his 1st 3 games back from and another at the end of the year) are how a journeyman who this year has a GAA WELL above 4.0 could have had a better GAA AND S% playing in front of the exact same players? That Devil defensive style clearly has nothing to do with the team not giving up a lot of goals. Hasek could steal more games, but Brodeur was better. I agree with the 1st part, but don't see how that supports your 2nd contention. And did you really state that you build titles off guys that give up 4 goals in the 1st 2 but don't get scored on after that? How exactly does that work? Would you like to restate that one? I did not say that Marty coasted on the Devils, but they and their style have CLEARLY effected his results. There is no way he comes close to the stats he has if he doesn't play on a team that significantly limits scoring chances. The proof of that is, in the rare seasons that the Devils weren't defensively focused Marty's stats ballooned. And in the rare seasons where another goalie got a chance to get into a rhythm, his stats were comparable to Marty's. As to Marty playing great late in games, you didn't happen to catch any of the Carolina series last year by any chance? Hasek might be the 2nd best ever. From what I hear, Sawchuk was pretty incredible. But Dom was definitely better than Brodeur.

Coming off an injury is why Marty didn't play well last year? Really? You do realize that he pitched shutouts in 2 of his 1st 3 games back from that injury that he was figuring out how to deal with, right? Want to try another retort as to why Clemmensen had better numbers than St. Marty? You claim Clemmensen couldn't have won with the team the 2 years prior to Marty's injury, but we don't really know that do we? What we do know is that in periods where the Devils can't/don't play a very tight defensive scheme Marty's numbers aren't stellar. We also know that in the only extended period he wasn't the Devils' primary goalie that the (generally considered inadequate) backup performed as well as better than Marty. There is no point in even continuing this conversation if you don't acknowledge that the Devils (or Minnesota) play the most defensive oriented game in the league post-lockout. As to WHY they do that, you would have to ask new HoFer Mr. Lamoriello; I have my theories, but he'd be able to give you the real scoop. OK, Andy Green was an undrafted free agent. You were aware than Brian Rafalski also was an undrafted free agent, right? And his departure was one of the ones you were using as an excuse earlier in this thread.

Unfortunately, as long as Richie Kotite is available and the Bills appear to be heading towards eating 2 years of DJ's salary, Herm wouldn't be a bad choice. I would still like to see the Titans fire Fisher and have the Bills land him. (Didn't say I expected it to happen, just said it's my preference.) If not Fisher, bring in Schottenheimer to get the team to the playoffs and once they are there, can his butt and bring in someone who can win in the playoffs. Jauron knows how to get a bad team to play respectable but has no idea how to get a team beyond that. His 3 year deal should have been set in stone the day it was originally signed that it would not be renewed.

Damn, this day started out so well. Then my Sabres go into the crapper, and if the House has it's way, so did my country.

Annnnnnnd, when he did finally come over, his unorthodox style scared the crap out of his coaches/management. People love to give Muckler props for being the genius that brought Dom to Buffalo for a song (essentially Ruutu and the draft pick that turned into Eric Daze). Some genius, he traded away Puppa, Andreyslug, and the pick that turned into Kenny Jonnson to get Fuhr after he already had Hasek on the squad. Had Fuhr not been injured in early '93-'94, Dom would never have gotten a chance to be Dom. Had he been playing in the I at an earlier age and the Hawks had the opportunity to realize that what appeared to be luck the 1st 100 times he made a particular save actually not been luck, his stats would have been absolutely off the chart. (As if they weren't anyhow.)

Actually you missed a few of his awards: Czech Goalie of the Year: 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990; Czech Player of the Year: 1987, 1989, 1990; Czech 1st Team All Star: 1988, 1989, 1990. Can't say for certain though that the teams were weaker than Brodeur's. Don't have a lot of info on Czech teams prior to Iron Curtain falling. Just know they were typically just a smidge weaker than the Soviets. Imagine how much better his career NHL stats would have been had the IC fallen a few years earlier.

Where did I say "clutch and grab"? I said "obstruction". As in players getting in the way of others (you know, obstructing their progress). At the beginning of '05 there was darn near zero tolerance for anything slowing the game down (which was of itself silly), toward the 2nd half of the season enforcement was culled back slightly and the game is FAR tighter today than it was in '05. And your Devils have been at the forefront of that. You have not explained how Clemmensen could have better numbers than Marty had in a manner that is consistant with Marty being the best there is. If Marty is truly the greatest thing since sliced bread, and not a product of the Devils' system; shouldn't he have BETTER stats than the journeyman? With his D having a coming out party, shouldn't Marty have had a sub-2.0, or at minimum a sub- 2.39? Marty is a very good goalie, no doubt about that, but he is very much a product of the system played by Lamoriello's teams. The same Lou Lamoriello who is probably one of the 5 most powerful men in all of hockey.

Fine, Marty is your favorite player of all-time. That's cool, but that does not make him the best goalie of his era, much less the best of all time. I notice you don't include '05-'06 in your stats, the one year the Devils didn't figure out how to slow people down on their way into and through their zone (at least through the 1st 1/2 of the season) and the year that Marty's GAA shot up by over 1/2 goal per game? Dom's was still below 2.1. By '06-'07, the Devils had already begun restoring obstruction to the game. It's not terribly surprising that Brodeur's numbers started coming back down that season. While Dom is a flake of the highest measure, he also was the best goalie of his era and arguably of all time. Hasek was the top goalie in Czechoslovakia for the 5 years prior to having an opportunity to come west. Had Muckler not insisted on playing an injured Fuhr instead of a healthy Hasek, the Sabres might have been champs in '93. Hasek led the league in save percentage for ~7 consecutive years. He also had a sub 2.0 GAA in '94 (the 1st in 20 years) prior to the Devils making the trap ubiquitous. As for playing with lousy D in front of him, does the fact that Zhitnik Smehlik was the best pair he had in front of him in Buffalo carry any weight? (McKee and Warrener were getting 20 mins/game, Zhitnik and Smehlik more like 25 minutes per.) There were MANY years in Brodeur's career that Zhitnik would have been no better than #4, and Smehlik would have had a tough time breaking into the top 6. And to complain about having Oduya in the lineup while neglecting the Sabres giving guys like Mike Wilson a LOT of ice time doesn't garner as much sympathy as you apparently expected. Hasek had so little in front of him in those years, he won the Hart and Lester B. trophies twice. You haven't addressed the fact that playing with the exact same team in front of him that the world beater known as Scott Clemmenson had better stats than Marty. Hasek left and the Sabres went from making it to the 3rd round of the playoffs fairly consistently to missing the playoffs the next 3 seasons. Brodeur missed 1/2 a year and the team didn't miss a beat. I'm not going to turn this into a Roy v Brodeur, but you need to remember that in the pre-trap days, Brodeur's #'s were up in the 2.3's and 2.4's as well and that Roy led the league in GAA twice in that era. Also, when Team Canada came calling, they ran with St. Patrick rather than Brodeur.