Luxy312

Nope. From what I've read so far (and I will caveat that it's very minimal), the option to fine players will be team options, no NFL enforced sanctions or fines. Teams have the option to fine or not fine.

They (of course) say nothing. Just another straw man fallacy.

Ad hominem fallacies (your apparent argumentative style of choice) are just another failure on the debate front. Would suggest you go look that up as well.

I suspect that you know nothing and are wrong on a number of levels. I would never tell you my income level and net worth. I will tell you that I will be able to retire at the age of 52 if I so choose. Life will be gravy afterward. PS - name calling makes you sound like the idiot, not me. Keep it up dipshit.

Good job making no argumentative points at all. Don't stop wearing your soft helmet!

It's not "love it or leave it". It's a condition of employment. I'm sorry you can't grasp this simple concept.

Another completely different argument and straw man fallacy.

Then anyone who's employed has false choice. They're not in any unique situation at all, any more than the rest of Americans.

They're not. They can stay in the locker room with no consequence. Try again.

The other guy said "dumbell"? while gesturing for it and Richie took it personally. LOL.

HAH! But comparing the NFL to North Korea and the American Revolution is just fine. OMG....laughing out loud.

Their freedom isn't taken away. What part of that are you not grasping? I have the freedom to protest whatever I want on my time. My employer prohibits me from political actions during the time that I'm working at my place of employment (in the office or at a client site). I'm prohibited from associating my employer with any political position. Your failure to grasp the reality of the situation is mind numbing to say the least. Equating the NFL to North Korea or the American Revolution is beyond ridiculous and so off point. Straw man on Corner as I'm done with this level of stupid.

It's possible that the ref could already be....EHM.....kneeling in front of him.

I get it just fine. You keep adding straw man fallacies, which do nothing to prove your point. Look it up and try to understand what you're doing. Comparing standing for a national anthem to the American Revolution is beyond low brow.

What a lot of other people have already said. The Bills don't know what they have in McCarron, Allen, or Peterman. They won't really know much until they get into the preseason games. Worst case for Peterman, he gets cut before the start of the season. Best case, IMO, is that he backs up whomever is the starter. As a team, you don't go out into the free agent market and sign a guy and then follow that up with moving up in the draft for a QB if you think that the guy that was already on your roster is the starter. Right now, all of the QB's are getting throws with first team offense, but McCarron is getting the lion's share. That should tell us something.

People can't leave North Korea straw-man-blitz. This thread is overplayed. Moving on. LOL.

If there's no playoffs this year, I simply want to see some optimism at the QB position. I don't care who it is. Give me a Peyton Manning rookie season of 26 TD's and 28 INT's. If there's some hint of promise of having a franchise guy, I'll take it.

Exactly. Make your point in a forum that's appropriate to make your point.

Nope. Stating the obvious is all. Nice attempt at a straw man there by you, but that's all it is.

Then there's this, which is 100% accurate. The players can do whatever the hell they want. Stay in the locker room and kneel. Bow and pray or do a jig while it's being played. Perfectly free to choose to not be on the field.

Agree to disagree. It's been part of these games for the 47 years that I've been alive. More tradition than "forced patriotism". I would suggest that anyone that doesn't like being an American is free to leave and not be an American. There's no one forcing any of us to live here.

It's nationalistic, not political. What exactly is political about it in your opinion?

Nope. But if it was a condition of employment, I would do it or find another job. It's really not all that complicated to me. I am specifically prohibited with associating my company's name with ANYTHING political without their express approval. It is a condition of employment and the remedy for noncompliance is termination.

There's no "mental gymnastics" that have to be done, unless you're a mental midget. They stand in every other major sport. They stand at the Olympics. The NBA forces players to stand as well. What's embarrassing are the idiots that think that players can use a business that they don't own to make it a platform for their political agendas. My employment agreement with my employer specifically prohibits it and now the NFL's does as well. Really quite simple.

The NFL is in the business of playing football and the anthem is played before every game. Players "taking a knee" turned people away last year. There's zero debate on that issue. People turning off the TV and not watching because a player wants to take some political position on TV is an economic issue. Now it's fixed. Players can be fined by their teams if they do kneel. Done.