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I downplay studies in light of the real world numbers. You dismiss real world numbers cause you believe so much in the studies. Which one sound counter intuitive to you? Again, make your point using real world numbers form any number of sites .... Let me put it another way..forget there was ever a study by interested parties but out and you were only presented with the following facts: November 24th of 2020 there were 5500 cases of Covid and 39 deaths in NYS and zero vaccinated. November 24th of 2021 there were 7200 cases of Covid and 50 deaths with 70% Vaccinated... your conclusion would be the vaccine works as advertised?

again, explain to me how cases are up 25% year over year in NYS on same dates, deaths are up....and yet you claim vaccines work like they were promised. Just explain how that is...using real world numbers and not freaking studies!!!!!

sure thing Total deaths per/million to date NY..2970 Fla ..2847 Really no statistical difference. One could argue NY was hit last spring before so much was known, and at least in the NYC area, mush denser living conditions. However, one could also argue Florida has a greater percentage of risk folks due to age....so not sure how to separate that out. Florida had what looks like its peak in August 21...412 deaths at its highest....not quite sure how to put a date range in there. Yesterday they had 7. Florida at its peak last August with same policies but no vax had at its peak 214 deaths. Hmm, and this year they had close to 62% fully vaxed. NY last year on this date last year had 39 deaths...this year has 50...again with close to 70% fully vaxed. And , lets not forget we are always told hospitalizations lag cases, deaths lag hospitalizations. And cases are up 25% year over year in NYS same date as last year. all numbers courtesy of Worldmeters, easy as pie to go there and look. To me, if anything this points to deaths and cases being higher WITH vaccines. Again, I am open to hearing why that is not the case..taking same population and numbers on same dates... so deaths are WAY up with 70% vax, but god bless they are our only way out? Do you listen to yourself?

Uhmmm, Worldometers is NOT one of your beloved studies, it is REAL WORKD NUMBERS !!! So let me get this straight, in your world a study with 40k participants is more statically relevant than real world numbers with 39 million participants? Is that what you are arguing? And seasonality? NYS cases are 25% higher than what they were last year on same date? Seasonality? and if the Delta is twice as contagious even with the vax, and we giving same exact vax as before Delta.. why should we expect a different outcome. oh I know, cause the Fauci’s of the world say it’s just a booster needed. Same people who said no mask needed, same people who said vaxed folks do not get or spread the virus, same people who said vax was 29 times more likely to keep you out of hospital. Same people who said masks will give 80% better chance not getting Covid just a few weeks ago… even better protection than the vax! Like I said, we all wanted to believe 12 months ago vax was all we needed to zero Covid. That’s never happening, this is now an endemic of the not previously infected, not the unvaxed. again, show me effectiveness sing empirical, real world numbers and not studies. I just have.

Well, if jobless claims fell by 100k, but 200k fell out of the job force, it’s not a net positive.

Those on the surface appear very good. I do not know if they reported labor participation rates as well? Was that in release somewhere? and I would assume that means many of the provisions of BBB meant to help people get back to work are not needed based on those numbers?

I am fine with that as long as it extends to every thing people can do to increase their odds of staying out of hospital. We know for instance , far greater number of vaxxed obese people die and are in hospital(78% of overall deaths have been in obese people) than unvaxxed non obese people. So if your BMI is over a certain percent, you good with those people paying for their care?. We KNOW that is by far the greatest risk factor in deaths, not vax status. You good with that? yes...we have real world case numbers year over year....25% higher in NYS with 71% vaccinated vs last year. We were told by Fauci and Wallenski and Biden..get to 70% and this thing is over..it aint. So it has to be spreading amongst the vaccinated...as the hospitalizations in Erie county prove. Just answer a simple question...why are cases 25% higher in NYS with 71% fully vaxed?

hoax is they prevent hospitalizations. They reduce for sure, but no where near what was first reported. So lets see what happens as we continue to gather real word data vs rushed studies and projections. Ya know, like in a normal vaccine authorization process. And if we can get the therapeutic pills approved and they work as advertised, they should be more effective at preventing hospitalizations than these vaccines are proven to be. This is the problem with the vaccine thing...we all wanted it to work so bad and to end this Covid crap...we let ourselves take studies as gospel. But we have real world data now...NYS 71% vaxed and and yet 25% more cases this year over last at same exact time...and people will swear the studies show they prevent transmission, so that must be true!!!!

so take the shot even if the real world date is proving they dont work? Fudge studies, we have actual data now... So you are anti- science?

so in other words the actual numbers are wrong, and cause you FEEL the unvaxed are the cause of spread they should be punished...real world date be damned?

Ole Polancarz said in his mask presser...43% in hospital in Erie County are fully vaxxed...so i think i will believe him more. Cases in NYS 11/24/20...5400 Cases in NYS 11/22/21 with 71% vax---7200 25% more covid cases with vax than without. seeing those numbers you still blaming on the unvaxed?

as i was discussing with @The Frankish Reich, if you believe they work, especially as a therapeutic and prevent hospitalization as advertised( we know they dont stop transmission)...lets say a factor of 6x more protection against hospitalization(CDC said 29X in August)...if those in hospital in Erie county are 55-45 unvaxxed to vaxxeded...it means the vast majority of cases have to be in vaccinated people. It means this is a pandemic of the not yet infected, not a pandemic of the un Vaxed. Explain these numbers...same day last year and this year in NY. A 25% increase in cases this year in New York State with one of the highest vax rates in the country. So, we gunna rely on scientific papers or real world numbers....tell me again how Vaccines prevent transmission of Covid? And please use empirical proof cases November 24 2020...5478 Cases November 22 2021...7214.. a 25% increase in cases year over year...with https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/

I don't believe my logic is flawed, but i will admit i am using an arbitrary number as to added protection for not needing hospitalization. If we go on basis of no added benefit from vaccine in terms of hospitalizations, then I agree with your premise. And i appreciate you going through it, and not only hurling insults like your boy who shall remain nameless. And let me ask you this question. Here is Florida's chart with 61% vaxed...did the vaccines really work as advertised? Ny case rates appear the same. New York appears to have same number of cases as last year at this time...again with vaccines

first, i do not believe my take is statistical illiteracy, unless you believe the vaccines at this time offer zero added benefit when it comes to severe illness that needs hospitalizations. The CDC itself says it "much less likely to need hospitalization" in its November update. If you take them at face value, assign a value as to what that added protection"much less likely" would be, and there is no other conclusion than in pure number of cases vaccinated have to be higher than unvaxed. Lets say that number was 6X...unless there was 6X more vaxed people than unvaxed, one would expect the percent of people in hospital to be much more skewed to the unvaxed....and we are no where near that. If that logic is flawed, and it may be, i am open to hearing why it is. My real problem in all this is the absolute religion of "vax is our way out of Covid".. and it has become a religion at this point. If if was gunna lead us out of the Covid desert, we would not be coming up on a full year of vaccines and still talking about mask mandates and shutdowns like Polancarz . We were pretty close to same numbers last year as we are this year at same point in time all across the country, much like we saw in the southeast in the summers of 20 and 2021. But Florida has 61% full vaxed, and WNY has 63% this year.. how could they have been close to same numbers? Maybe seasonality plays a part? If its 100% Delta, and the Vax is the exact same...why we expecting different outcomes? I got Covid 4 1/2 months after my second shot...we gunna go down to a booster every 3 months? Once a month? We know this thing is going to be endemic, it is coming back around seasonally as we see...and it is not because of unvaxed people. It is because its endemic, the vax is prolly like the flu shot and somewhere around 50% effective, and people are gunna die of Covid every stinking year to the end of time. We need to move on, vulnerable people need to protect themselves as best as possible and make decisions on how much risk they are willing to accept.

again, you are freaking buffoon.

you are a buffoon

Hey look it, a real answer! Was that so hard? Thank you. BTW, according to the Erie County Heath department, 64% are fully vaccinated, so would have to adjust your numbers accordingly. The issue is your Dr Fauci comment. Yes, it is absolutely the issue that everyone from Fauci to Wallensky to Biden to Gupta to name just about any agency said , and to quote the CDC..."29 more times likely to be hospitalized if not vaccinated"...29!!!!!!!!. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html I will even give ya a mully on that stat, here is the updated research on the CDC website.(.ya see they dont use numbers anymore , only vague terms? Wonder why) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html What would you think would be a " much less likely" number ...8x less, 10X less...what number , pick one. Does not really matter. I mean at least a factor of 6 would you agree? So if that is true, the sheer number of cases in vaccinated people has to be far outweighing the number in unvaxed people. Only way the numbers do not work is if we say the vaccine is essentially useless after a couple of months.

Yep, about what’s to be expected. Can’t defend your arguments and resort to the insults. It’s too bad really far left mental acuity really does leave something to be desired doesn’t it

Okay, again, I asked where my logic is wrong. Please expound. y’all have been great to say what an idiot I am without actually refuting the premise. I am open to hear your logic.

Heard his lawyer yesterday in an interview on his advice to Rittenhouse. He told him “change your name, lay low, no interviews , and just start your life over again.”

Okay, so you can’t answer the question, or tear apart my logic, or defend your position. and you think my critical thinking skills are bad? again, just tell me where my logic is wrong. I am assuming your reluctance to answer is an admittance my premise is correct and all ylu can do is hurl insults. poop poster indeed.

Okay, point out my ignorance with logic. Why the slurs? I am open to listen.

Okay, so as reported in the Buffalo Mews quoting Polancarz at his pressure yesterday. He was using Erie County Health Depatment stats. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/mask-mandate-returns-to-erie-county-and-tougher-restrictions-could-be-next/article_0eba6bbe-4bb5-11ec-a005-4b32f29ac94b.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1 so, you believe all 3 are not good sources of info? If so, must mean they lying about all thins Covid. again, explain how hospitalizations can be roughly 55-45 when the vax was supposed to keep out of the hospital. And if that is true, than the VAST majority of Covid cases in WNY right now is in the Vaxed , not the unvaxed.

Do explain please. I asked show me what I am missing. 55-45 in hospital right now. If vaccines keep you out of hospital at a huge rate compared to unvaxed, it has to be vast majority of cases are in vaxed people. explain why that logic is faulty. I forgot, you troll when you know you are wrong. Such a simple person. Such a simple mind.