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They don't get nothing - they get his cap space right now and the flexibility that comes with it. It's bad business to keep him at his current cap figure if he's not going to be a third down back or play special teams. It's bad business if the team has already decided that Willis is in Buffalo to stay, that TH is gone after 2005 and they have to wait a year to develop a complementary back to WM. It's dubious to think he has value when he went through the draft untraded. It's pretty unlikely that the Bills will chug along without issue if WM were to get hurt and replaced by Henry, when just the opposite happened last year.

Maybe you're right. Brooks isn't generating a whole lot of downfield rushing yardage I guess after looking at his stats. He does score a lot of rushing TD's. I'll admit that New Orleans isn't in the top ten when it comes to my direct TV rotation. I remember thinking that Brooks was going to be so good when he debuted in 2000 - he's been so inconsistent since. They had that little run at the end of last year but you just never know what you're getting with that team and with him. As for the Fins, none of those guys strike me as locks to make the roster, so I'm leaving those two games open. By week 17, any number of QBs could be at the helm down there....

Aaron Brooks too HD, and the Dolphins QB could be any number of players. Flutie will sell some jerseys and spark a little interest in exhibition season. I doubt he plays a down once the real games start.

Again, if Henry is as dimwitted as is generally suggested, isn't he less of a candidate for a preseason trade since the "desperate" team will need to acquire someone that can come in and learn the system very quickly? Carrying Henry into the preseason when has no future with this team waiting for an injury somewhere else seems risky to me. Aren't the Bills better off cutting him and spending a portion of his money on a Lamont Jordan/Kevin Faulk/Richie Anderson type who can back up McGahee and specialize as a third down back?

If forced to choose one, I'm bringing Doolittle by the Pixies.

I don't buy this. If a team has a big injury in the preseason and true weakness at backup, they're going to need a player who can come in and learn the system quickly, no? By most accounts TH is not that guy. This weekend showed that there really is no market for Henry.

Not really relevant - TD made his judgment on Henry when he took McGahee and that appears to be a correct one. I love these comparisons of Donahoe to Kasparov and Cloutier! He's a middle tier GM at best. Look at his results on the field. Four years and no playoff games. One great trade (Price) in that four year span. One winning season. Good job as of late building the lower part of the roster. His "reputation" as you put it surely is undeserved, but I don't think that it is held by too many people frankly. All the gnashing of teeth on Henry not being dealt is more of a reflection on this board's general overrating of Henry's trade value. He's in the lower 20th percentile for NFL tailbacks in terms of blocking, receiving, fumbling, versatility and coachability. He doesn't play specials and he is injury prone. That's a ton of negatives. There are a lot of red flags when it comes to whether Henry is going to fit in another team's system. Maybe Travis will get dealt this afternoon for a 4th round pick. I feel very strongly that the Bills are better off without him on the team so they can develop someone to play behind McGahee that is more versatile than Henry and is going to be in Buffalo for the long term, even if that player has less raw talent than Henry. Do what's best for the team.

Easily one of the funniest posts ever! Oh my goodness - two teams might make a mutually beneficial trade!!! How can the league allow it? What's next? Travis Henry - should they waive the waiting period in Canton? I say yes! Tom Donahoe just told Len P. that he was able to invent cold fusion!

To me that was the most outlandish decision on the schedule - Green Bay does not deserve three games on Monday night. Dallas's two was a very close second, but I guess I have faith in Parcells getting them back in the playoffs so it might be a good future call by ABC. I did notice that it was split down the middle - 17 AFC, 17 NFC teams as far as the matchups. I wonder if that is done every year. If so, it was inevitable that the Jags/Bills/Cincy/Houston middle tier of the AFC (all viable playoff teams in 2004 if they were in the far weaker NFC) was going to get short shrift. Baltimore players yap a lot, so they're always good for two prime time games. Same goes for Parcells. I don't why ABC is whining for variable scheduling late in the year when it is patently obvious that they pick games based on potential storylines rather than a true ranking of the teams in terms of strength. I always thought the Bills attempted to avoid night games due to the long average travel for its season ticket holders. If that's so, the home Saturday night game seems to be a nice consolation prize if you're not going to get a Monday game. One other weird scheduling quirk I noticed was that Philly only has five 1 PM games scheduled right now.

Your problem is with the number of people who have an interest in watching Tiger play, and not with Tiger himself. The ratings are driven by Tiger, and the TV networks respond accordingly. It's not like he asks Jim Nantz for camera time in a tournament. For my money, Tiger's the greatest athlete alive today.

That's not true, BINYC - at least the reluctant part. I read on a Cardinals' message board that Dennis Green goes to bed dreaming of Travis Henry every night, and that his wife gets upset because Green tends to mumble Henry's name in his sleep. Travis is a future pro-bowler. He's motivated to get back there, as it is the one NFL game all year where a tailback doesn't have to block.

I disagree with premise two FFS. I don't think this trade is that relevant to Donahoe's performance in general. He in many ways made this decision two years ago when he drafted McGahee - certainly a decision that reflects quite well on Donahoe today. I think the mandate now to trade Henry is very clear. The Bills are better off with someone else as a backup running back that can be more of a "third down" back - someone that can protect Losman with both his blocking and his "safety valve" routes on passing downs. The offense figures to rely heavily on McGahee next season and they risk wearing him out if they try to play him in too high a percentage of the snaps.

Don't post that over there my good captain. It's curriculum.

According to TD, this isn't Green's position, although Leo Roth's sources say otherwise. Yahoo Updates March 31 and April 4 Just let my prediction be - I have thought since season's end that Henry will be traded for a fifth that conditionally could become a fourth, I'm sticking by it, and eventually we'll see what actually happens. You act like I'm actually involved in the deal and I'm blowing it. Let it play out.

Sorry. I don't agree that he is that good. I think he paid too much for Losman, and certainly Bledsoe. I've been much more impressed with how he's built the bottom half of the roster than his high level trades and big impact decisions. I mean really - who has he swindled definitively? I also think the imminence and mutual interest in this trade has been built up far more on the board than in real life, but that's a hunch - I have no proof of it. Too many "updates" coming from message boards for my taste. Fair and balanced point - you're correct. Sorry.

This assumes TD is a genius and everyone else is an idiot. This isn't reality. Let's assume your premise is true. Let's assume LA's premise is true (the straight up trade makes sense for both teams because each player is more valuable to the other - a concept with which I agree wholeheartedly BTW although I can't really comment on these two guys not knowing Shelton's ability first hand). TD decides to play poker as you state and Green subsequently walks away and signs some other RB for what he perceives to be less compensation. If that happens, Donahoe has hurt the Bills because he missed out a chance to better the team. I'm not even the biggest TD fan, but I think he's better than that. If you have a chance to improve your team, you do it.

How do you know Green is interested in him? Even if he is, he might be interested in trading exactly what I stated for him, which doesn't make my guess as to what Henry will get dealt for incorrect (yet). Your argument doesn't make an iota of sense - the division might end up being bad again, but that's no reason Arizona specifically needs to trade for Travis Henry. They might look elsewhere, inward (Shipp?) or to the draft. Every reason, except.... * Henry can't stay on the field * Henry can't block, and they are planning to run a pass heavy offense with a relatively immobile QB. More than 3 sacks a game from 2002-2004...these are not all his fault but the number went down significantly as soon as Henry left the lineup while Bledsoe remained - this was not a coincidence, and has been very consistent. * Henry isn't that bright. For a long time up in Minnesota, Denny had the most intelligent running back in football in Robert Smith and likes to run a dynamic offense with a versatile tailback. Henry just doesn't seem like a good fit. * Henry has fumbled a lot more than the average tailback across his career. Has he improved? Yes, but perhaps at the expense of his yardage. * Because of all the above, he limits what kind of offense can be run, stresses others in protection schemes, and gets the QB extra contact. Personally, I don't think he'll ever top 1,000 yards again. I didn't remotely say that. My only point is that he's never had a productive season on a team with a winning record. There also is the stark contrast in the Bills' record with him in 2004 versus McGahee. This won't be ignored. It is a giant red flag. That makes no sense. TD should be trying to set "paltry" numbers on a conditional pick - the lower the goals, the better for the Bills. TD's job is to present your argument that Travis is great. My argument is that he's not great or even good because football is a team sport, and Henry's individual yardage accomplishments three years ago are irrelevant to winning in 2005 and beyond. If I were a GM, I wouldn't touch Travis Henry with a ten foot pole in 2005.

If this were true, the trade would be done.

He's not going to run for 1400 yards and score 12 TD's. I'm highly doubtful he's going to win a job in camp myself. Henry is not a good player. Too many negatives in his overall game. There's absolutely no reason to think he's going to repeat his 2002 and 2003 numbers, especially since he's probably not going to play on third downs unless by some miracle a light goes on that has never gone on before. He didn't help Buffalo in those years when he played on third down, but he did probably help his numbers. Do keep in mind that those years were achieved in losing campaigns. Teams want to acquire players in the NFL so they can win games, not gain yards. They look at FILM. They could give a crap about yards gained three years ago. Save those arguments for your fantasy football trades MBD - that's where they're relevant. If I were making the deal, I'd propose somewhat gentle requirements on the conditional 4th - one of 750 yards rushing, 1000 yards total, 50% of the snaps, < 3% turnover/touch ratio with some minimum number of touches....something like that.

The fact that Henry made the Pro-Bowl has nothing to do with his value in a trade in the here and now. The Pro-Bowl is essentially a sham. Look at what the Bills did with 2003 Pro-Bowler Reuben Brown. Arizona, and the other 30 NFL teams, are basing their assessment of Henry on what they see on film, his versatility on the field and what they know about his character and work ethic. They'll then decide what he is worth in a trade based on what they'll have to pay him next year. Fifth, conditional fourth.

Oh no, not Bill Belichick!

Personally I love the move. One of my favorite moments every year is when someone picks this guy on fantasy draft day and I laugh my backside off. Every year Dayne supposedly comes to camp in the best shape of his life, and every year he stinks. The fact that Dayne is now on Denver guarantees that said flyer will be taken yet again this year. Good times.

Ron Dayne might be the best test yet that pretty much any running back can be successful in the Denver system.

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I think that you have to understand JP-Era that your right to post here does not equate to the right to have your ideas universally accepted as valid. You're also going to have a hard time convincing people that your thoughts have much substance when you call your proverbial daddy for backup as soon as someone questions them. As far as Jason Taylor for Henry goes, I like to eat steak when I go out to eat. I also would like to pay $3 for a 12 ounce cut of porterhouse cooked medium rare but have not yet done so. I can throw that out there and hope it will happen because "anything can happen," but in reality I know that that notion is absurd.