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Just now, FireChans said:
His big brother Dalvin once had 500 yards receiving in a season. His career is now over, at 1800 yards receiving.
Sorry but I think there's a next to zero percent chance James hits 3k receiving. We shall circle back in 5 years and see, if I'm still alive.
You seem obsessed with the comparisons to Dalvin, as if the situation for both players are the same. James is his own man in his own offense. 3,000 career receiving yards for a receiving back is a conservative number. Marshall Faulk, Larry Centers, and Ronnie Harmon have TWICE that amount. You know who also has at least 3,800 career receiving yards? Keith Byars, Marcus Allen, Tiki Barber, Roger Craig, Herschel Walker, Darren Sproles, LaDanian Tomlinson, Matt Forte, Walter Payton, Thurman Thomas, Warrick Dunn, CMC, Ricky Watters, Alvin Kamara, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Lesean McCoy, Austin Eckler, and a few others. Why this turned into a “James Cook will not reach 3,000 career receiving yards” is because your initial argument was flawed so you had to make it about something else. People say the silliest things on this board. The conservative 16,000 yards MHJ will have to put up to surpass James Cook, Khalil Shakir, AND Dalton Kincaid? That’s a much taller order than 3,000 for Himbo Cook.
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Just now, FireChans said:
I don't think this is a conservative estimation at all. Your RB numbers are way off. 3000 career receiving yards? Do you know how many running backs don't hit that number? Everyone not named Kamara or CMC.
I think those are relatively low estimates for each player, baseline numbers. Cook is a receiving back in the mold of Kamara. Did you know he had over 400 yards last year despite dropping some nice gainers? Not to mention that when Brady took over offensive playcalling he became far more involved in the pass game. I’m being realistic with my numbers, while you’re already putting MHJ in the hall of fame before he takes a single snap in the NFL and without even knowing who’ll be throwing him the ball. Again, MHJ has next to a zero chance to surpass all 3 in career yardage and total TDs in 4 to 5 years and a less than 10% chance to finish better than all 3 combined when it’s all said and done. He’ll be lucky to surpass his father’s numbers at 14,500 yards and 128 TDs. He’s not gonna have Peyton Manning throwing him the ball.
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41 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Kincaid is gonna be 25 this year. Shakir is 24. Cook will be 25.
That's how many more years total playing? Shakir and Kincaid probably play into their early 30's, but I doubt Shakir has more than 1 1000 yard season in his career. If Cook's brother is any indication, he may be out of the league at 28.
If MHJ doesn't miss a couple seasons with injury, he will easily surpass them. He may even surpass them in like 4-5 years.
Yes.
Sounds like you’re trying to find ways to end the careers of those Bills early. James Cook done by 28 because of his brother? Shakir doesn’t need a thousand yards in a season, you said MHJ would surpass ALL of them in yards and TDs combined. I mean, if you take one of them out of the equation it’s a little more realistic, but even then Kincaid and Shakir wouldn’t have to put up monster years just to beat an all world year by MHJ. Remember, we’re talking combined stats. Add Cook into the equation and it’s just not realistic.
To make it clear and to put it into perspective, Jerry Rice is the all time yardage and TDs leader at essentially 23,000 yds and 197 TDs. Larry Fitz is the next closest at 17,500 yds, Moss is next in TDs at 156. Conservatively, if James Cook plays for 10 years and averages 300 yards receiving per season, Shakir plays 10 and averages 600 yards, and Kincaid plays 10 and averages 700 yards, you’re already looking at 16,000 yards cumulatively, which would put them 3rd all time, just behind Larry Fitz, a guy who played for 16 years in the league. Your prognostication would be correct if all three retire by the age of 35 and put up modest numbers along the way, AND MHJ finishes 2nd or 3rd all time in reception yards. That’s an unlikely and tall ask for both conditions to be met. The yardage alone is likely to debunk what you believe so it’s not even worth getting into TD numbers. Passing them in 4 or 5 years? Only if one of the three is benched or suffers a career ending injury *knock on wood* and MHJ goes on to have unreal production EVERY year. Remember, these three combined for 1700 yards and 8 TDs in their first year together, all of them new to their roles. Smart money says those numbers will improve starting next season.
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11 minutes ago, FireChans said:
I meant over the course of his career vs theirs.
Oh then I definitely disagree with that. One player is not going to outpace 3. Maybe if we were playing Madden and the injuries were turned off it’d be possible, but even if MHJ was mostly healthy throughout his career and hardly missed any games, I’d put my money on Allen distributing to Kincaid, Shakir, and Cook resulting in higher numbers than whoever will be throwing MHJ the ball.
EDIT: And just for fun, these are the numbers a rookie TE, a WR in his first season as a full time slot, and a RB who left a number of yards and points on the board put up last year:
156 catches
1,729 yards
8 TDs
And that’s just year one for that trio.
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12 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Smart money says that MHJ has more receiving yards and TD's than Cook, Shakir and Kincaid combined, FWIW.
“Smart money” would have to begin at 1600 yards and 12 TDs for that to be a realistic statement and that’s on the low end. And in his rookie season with Kyler Murray potentially throwing him the ball? Highly doubtful.
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15 minutes ago, Sargent Hulka said:
You can watch the Bills draft every year. I'd rather watch them win the Super Bowl next year. Make the trade!
Some times you have to swing for the fences, which are not for the faint of heart.
You don’t swing for the fences on any position that isn’t a QB. You can’t win in the NFL without a QB, so those trades are justified.
You especially don’t throw away multiple 1sts, 2nds, and whatever else the Cardinals want because it’d mean sacrificing numerous other significant contributors. The NFL is a team game, one all pro WR isn’t more impactful than a collective great WR, a very good edge rusher, a very good safety, and a very good defensive tackle. And even if one or two of those positions bust, you still have a chance that the rest become high level players, including the receiver you could’ve just stayed pat and selected at 28. No one knows how any of these players will pan out. You want to take a swing? Do it for already proven NFL talent.
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2 hours ago, Sargent Hulka said:
You absolutely do make that trade. Reason: the future is now with Allen, not 4-5 years of cost controlled contracts.
No offense, but I’m glad you’re not running the team.
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Long, fast, and rangy corner. Very grabby and had quite a few penalties against him, I believe. He also didn’t give up a TD until Shakir’s end zone grab in the playoffs. Should fit in well in that TN defense. Chiefs have capable CBs in Watson and Williams ready to step up.
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3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
What it would take to get the 4th pick I’m guessing:
28, 60, 2025 1st, 2nd + 2026 2nd or Diggs
To put it into perspective, let’s attach some names to the draft picks. Is MHJ worth: Kaair Elam, Boogie Basham, Greg Rousseau, O’Cyrus Torrence, and Matt Milano? (I mixed in busts and successes for an accurate portrayal of what those future picks might look like).
What if Beane got supremely lucky and hit on all those picks? Dalton Kincaid, James Cook, Tre White, Dion Dawkins, and Khalil Shakir.
Is one MHJ, who’s talent could range anywhere between HoFer to an injury prone bust, worth giving up 4-5 years of five young, cost controlled contracts? You don’t trade the farm for a non-QB. End of discussion. Let the draft come to you and select the best wideout available at 28 if that’s the path you want to take.
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7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
You realize the Niners stadium is like 8 miles from San Jose? It's 45 miles from San Fran.
I’ll give him San Antonio and San Diego, but the other two are close enough to claim a team. Could add Austin, St Louis, Portland, Albuquerque, and Salt Lake City to the list.
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12 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:
The biggest cities without a team are San Antonio, Phoenix, San Diego and San Jose.
So does anybody know a saint that wants a football team?
Glendale, AZ is essentially Phoenix (in the same way I’d say Niagara is essentially Buffalo) so they have a team.
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4 hours ago, Punching Bag said:
Move back to Dallass, it is where they started professional football. Jerry will rent his stadium to them.
They say Kansas City, MO and Kansas City, KS is the equivalent of Dallas and Ft Worth, just smaller, so you might be on to something!
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7 minutes ago, muppy said:
fans expect perfection. Unrealized hopes and expectations must have a scapegoat. Let's pick our BEST player and drag him. @-@
Blame Josh Allen for not working hard enough. As if anyone here knows or sees what he does do off-season beyond what is shown on social media feeds.
You show me a perfect athlete and I'll show you a NFL cyborg. They don't exist.
Tom Brady wasn't the most gifted athlete, but he’s probably the closest to perfection at the QB position the NFL has had. From his diet, to his training regiment, to his obsessive studying of film… even he made mistakes.
Mahomes has physical abilities that Brady never had, but isn’t as obsessed with his diet. Given that his average time to release the ball hovers closer to 3 seconds, he’s probably more like Josh when it comes to film study than Brady who almost always knew where he was going with the ball.
No athlete is perfect, or will ever be, but the question is “what is he doing during the offseason to chase perfection?” None of us here can definitively answer how Josh spends his time, but he’s told us his preferred approach. And it’s not an obsessive one, nor does it have to be for the Bills to beat KC in the playoffs and win a championship. They’ve gotta get better around him.
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1 minute ago, Success said:
I'll always disagree w/ the bolded.
That play was designed for the shot to Shakir, and he was open. It's not undisciplined or even a mistake to throw to a wide open receiver in the endzone.
You may not get that again on that drive. Defenses tighten up once you get into the red zone, and having an easy opportunity for a TD is never a guarantee. Any good or great QB goes for Shakir there.
When Kurt Warner dissected the play, he said based on the look the defense was giving he would’ve came off the Shakir read and looked for the crosser. He thought Shakir wouldn’t have came open given how the safeties were playing. Obviously Shakir did pop open after waiting, but Josh had his foot stepped on by Dawkins and the play failed. Josh wouldn’t have had to wait if his intention was to go for the crosser. And who knows, if he hit Diggs maybe the Bills score a TD with little time remaining and the Chiefs don’t win back to back SBs.
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Josh definitely has room for improvement, like every QB in the NFL, so saying he can’t possibly play better is silly. Getting better at pre-snap reads has to rank highest on his agenda, but the only way that improves is through watching much more film, something he admits he’s not keen to do. With that said, the reason the Bills haven’t won a Super Bowl isn’t because Josh has failed the team or come up small in the playoffs. We all know the defense, whether ranked #1 or #15, hasn’t been able to pull its weight when it matters. If that unit had a guy step up and make a crucial play when it matters, like Chris Jones has for the Chiefs multiple years, Allen and the Bills would likely have at least one Lombardi by now.
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One disappointing first round pick for another: CB Kaiir Elam to Detroit for WR Jameson Williams. Who’s with me?
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45 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said:
This is a make up for telling everyone playing for the Steelers would be his dream scenario.
Probably anticipated being released soon after the season and was putting in a bid for his hometown team.
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5 minutes ago, Motorin' said:
Except Limmer's RAS is based on the Gaurd position, not center. He's the exact same weight as Humphrey and 3/10ths of a inch taller. So basically same body, except I think Limmer has a stronger core.
Very close 10 & 20 yards splits, 3-come and shuttle. Creed has him by a hair.
But Limmer's 36.5 vertical is impressive, as is his 39 reps.
Check out his anchor against 360lbs Sweat:
What’s his projection? I’d use one of the 4ths with the hope he beats out Edwards at LG. Seems more talented.
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1 hour ago, Motorin' said:
If he's there in the 5th, I think Beaux Limmer is the guy. Very similar athletically to Creed Humphrey, except he put up 39 on the press to Creed's 29 reps.
He played mostly Guard, but filled in at Center this season. Need a guy that can anchor against the bull rush of elite DT's.
Creed scored a perfect 10 on the RAS. Limmer scored a 9.82 with his biggest detriment being his weight, so you’re not far off with the comparison!
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20 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:
I can’t really hover from my cell phone, can I?If you long press the link it’ll give you an option to see a preview without going to the page.
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46 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:
I get the need for a Center and the value of taking one at this spot but really this scenario is just making me more frustrated about the Boogie Basham over Creed Humphrey pick all over again. By far one of Beane's biggest draft blunders and it's not all hindsight as most people on this board were pounding the table for him with that pick and the Basham pick was always a head scratching reach that never really made any sense.
He’s had 2 colossal draft blunders: Basham over Humphrey and Ford over Metcalf. Neither of those picks were hindsight, everyone here was clamoring for the player that didn’t get picked.
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Remember the Diggs tweet that set the Bills trade in motion?
“It’s time for a change”
I’m sure there were Vikings fans doing the same as Bills fans, defending his posts, arguing he was just talking about changing his bed sheets. He has a toxic personality.
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Settle had one great rep where he destroyed Quentin Nelson and then nothing else really.
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What’s the story on Jerome Baker? I thought he was one of the better Dolphin defenders, but he’s still a FA. Don’t know how healthy he is, but I’m a bit surprised he hasn’t signed somewhere. I would’ve liked him over Morrow.
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Pretty illogical claim that one player who’s not even in the NFL yet will surpass the combined career numbers for 3 Bills receiving threats. Especially when pointing out that those three combined for over 1,700 yards in their first season together. Again, people on this board say the silliest things. Maybe I’m the fool for trying to engage with them in a factual conversation.