Hollywood Donahoe

No, see, I thought that too at first. But that stat indicates how the QB performed on his 41st, 42nd, 43rd, etc. attempts of the game. Scroll down further and you'll see a collection of stats that read "Pass Thrown: Behind line, 1-10 yds., 11-20 yds., etc." THESE are the stats AKC was looking for, but he misread them.

Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but that page seems to indicate that Bulger attempted three passes over 40 yards last year.

You've not yet provided the data that you claim will "expose" my false claims. I've already said that if you post information that contradicts mine, I'll reconsider its accuracy. But you've yet to do that. Three Super Bowls in four years = Dyansty. Whether by 3 points or 300.

My data is valid until it is contradicted. You have the power to contradict it at a time of your choosing if your claims are true.

My statistical sample included Bulger, and he was listed as having 15 or fewer pass attempts over 40 yards in 2005. Again, if my data is inaccurate, I apologize, but I've yet seen no proof of its fault.

The defense that allowed an average of over 22 points a game in the three Super Bowls?

That seems to include the '85-'86 Super Bowl against the Bears, and the '96-'97 Super Bowl against the Packers, which were not part of the Patriots' ongoing (as of yet) Dynasty era. You might consider editing that paragraph for intellectual honesty, because as of now, it heavily distorts reality in order to make its flawed point.

Who was it, again, that once argued that 5 to 6 deep throws per QB per game are common? You evidently weren't "watching the games" when you came to that absurd conclusion. I contend that the league leader had 1.6 such passes per game last year. I realize that you claim to have different data, and I urge you to post it.

Not really. As I mentioned, a bet is not necessary because I do not hold my data as absolute. It contained statistics from just 25 of 32 teams. It's entirely possible that AKC could've obtained more thorough data, as he claims to have, and his positing it would shed more light on the situation for all of us. Why would I make a bet defending my own information when I recognize that it is incomplete?

I thought we were arguing about the course of the entire '01-'04 Dynasty, and Brady's relation to it.

If you have the info, post it. No bet is needed, as the reward for both of us will be a more well-informed society.

If you so badly want to prove me wrong, POST YOUR STATS. Save the sophomoric bets for the grammar school playground. If you have the info that can prove me wrong, POST IT. Otherwise, stop trolling.

That thread is SO long, and the criteria changes SO much, it's easy to miss something.

I defend it because I have no better information. Provide with some and I'll gladly retract.

Back in the original debate of which this is a continuation, AKC actually classified it as longer (I think it was 50 yards or so?). But 40+ was the longest CNN/SI had to offer, so that's what I went with.

My answer is that: - I claimed that Donovan McNabb led the NFL in 2005 with 1.6 attempts over 40 yards in the air (well under your assessment that multiple QBs regularly throw 5-6 such passes per game), based on a statistical sample of 25 NFL QBs in '05. - You claimed that he didn't. - I asked you to defend that claim by positing proof that someone threw more such passes than McNabb. So when you're ready, just go ahead and post it. I'm not going to make a bet with you, because I could very well be wrong. The stats I used excluded the QBs of 7 teams. But just go ahead and post it if I am.

It's official! Eight games is a small sample size, unless of course you're AKC.

Kickers, whatever their skill level, simply aren't the most valuable players on any team.

So the defense switched itself on in '01, of in '02, on again in '03 and '04, and off again in '05? I love how every element of team gets credit but Brady.

If you have access to a stat showing that in 2005, any NFL QB threw 80-96 (5-6 per game) passes that travelled 40 or more yards past the LOS in the air, then by all means, post it.

61-18 != .500

So your point is that winning only three out of five Super Bowls makes one a "slightly above average" quarterback? I must say, I disagree with your assessment

They didn't. Here. "There were no quarterbacks in the league that regularly threw passes longer than 40 yards in the NFL 6 times per game last year….or 5…..or 4….or 3….or even twice. In fact, it was an anomaly for a quarterback last year to average as much as 1 pass attempt over 40 yards per game. Only four quarterbacks did so - McNabb, Culpepper, Kerry Collins, and Brady. Keep in mind that these stats are for passes thrown and not yardage gained – they track the distance the ball is thrown from the line of scrimmage to where the receiver catches the ball. I took a list of 25 quarterbacks and looked at their passing splits from last season on CNN/SI and compiled their stats for passes that were thrown over 40 yards in 2004. I didn’t consider any QB’s from Cleveland, Arizona, SF, Chicago, the NYG, TB, and Miami. The top five in terms of completions on passes thrown over 40 yards were: McNabb 9 Bledsoe 8 Brady 7 Culpepper 7 Palmer 5 The top five in terms of attempts on passes thrown over 40 yards were: McNabb 25 Culpepper 17 K. Collins 17 Brady 16 Bledsoe 15 The top five in terms of percentage completed on passes over 40 yards were: Bledsoe .533 (8-15) Favre .444 (4-9) Brady .438 (7-16) Boller .428 (3-7) Pennington .428 (3-7) Brady is in the top 4 out of the 25 in all three categories. For posterity, the 25 QB's were Culpepper, P. Manning, Brady, Bledsoe, McNabb, Green, Delhomme, Bulger, Collins, Favre, Harrington, Brees, Plummer, M. Hasselbeck, Vick, Brooks, Big Ben, Palmer, Pennington, McNair, Carr, Leftwich, Brunell, Testaverde, and Boller."

Brady went 9-7 in '02 with a crap defense and no running game. It happens. Doesn't take away from the THREE times he won the Super Bowl.