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20 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:
I think you were just coming out negative more than anything.. Again the issue is... people around here are warry of new accounts
Take a deep breath man. take time to read other posts and think about it instead of knee jerk reactions
anyhow
cheers
Breathing deeply now. 😂
Hey just doing my part for this thread until Bills trade Davis for DHop straight up.
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13 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Mahomes misses throws all the time. Folks don't remark upon it when your team ultimately wins. I do agree that Allen needs to take the small stuff. He did that impressively in the perfect game against the Pats* and was playing as well as a qb can play in the 13 seconds fiasco. What happened after that? Daboll left for the Giants' job. Dorsey was hired to maintain continuity, but inevitably, there were significant differences. Dorsey may grow into a top OC. He's not there yet. Dorsey does not blend the running game and the passing offense into a cohesive attack. The calls are too random, the RZ offense is very predictable, and Dorsey does not sufficiently make use of pass catching rbs or Knox in general. However much that was dictated by Allen's injury and a bad oline, I don't know, but he needs to improve.
Josh Allen does also need to make the whole field dangerous by utilizing short passes and targeting Knox more often when he is open. Allen is not elusive in the way that Mahomes is elusive. Mahomes is like a snake, slippery and annoying. Allen is a bull with surprising speed and athleticism.
Yes! Thank you good Dr! This is what I’m saying. Dorsey clearly has to improve as a playcaller. When Allen start using the short stuffs in tandem with the long shots I think this team would be on a whole new level. Here’s hoping that next year we’ll see it more consistently.
I guess I’m still pissed about the Bengals game. More upset than the 13sec game.
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2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:
Sir, I have read all your replies so far with this new account... Did you make a new account just to go out and annoy the top writers are on these boards, or did you make an account to try and understand and keep an open minded... cause It seems to me your leading the line of not being open minded on topics. and to people with new accounts on these boards.. you can lose credibility really fast..
Now All that being said. I see your point where just because you see what you feel is not a good product on the field does not mean anything to how others feel about our current situation.
Anyhow Best of luck mate
I thought I was engaging with other fans of the team I root for. Is this not the place to do that? Having a different pov and being critical of the team and its players would lose credibility?
Appreciate you reading my posts.
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3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
Allen isn't supposed to be elite, he is Elite.
Allen does elevate his team. The Bills would be a 5 - 7 win team fighting to avoid last place in the AFC East without him.
Allen has played very well in the playoffs. He is more then "good enough" to lead Buffalo to the Super Bowl. But all you have to do is take a look at the teams that have played in the last 3 SB's to see just how deficient Allen's supporting offensive cast is versus those teams.
I'm sorry but you don't sound like a Bills fan to me. Sure there are legitimate criticisms of Allen's game and he could improve certain aspects of it. But your persistent passive/aggressive attacks on Allen, laying almost all the blame on the guy makes me wonder whether you really are a Bills fan.
I know he is elite. By holding him to a higher standard I’m treating him more of an elite qb than most here who just want to coddle and give him passes. Of course he’s good enough to lead the Bills to a superbowl. I’ve said this multiple times. The line needs to be better. I argue that his receiver corp, including Knox, is very good. He needs to maximize them.
Just he because I hold my elite qb accountable doesn’t mean I’m not rooting for him and the team. I’m not blinded by fandom so much that I can’t see reality. And reality is this team has underperformed and there’s blame across the board.
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3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
The Chiefs two Offensive Tackles last season were better as a tandem then the Bills two tackles and it wasn't even close. The only reason the Chiefs didn't resign their guys was that they had gotten to expensive. In fact the Chiefs tried to resign Brown but there was no way they could afford to pay him what the Bengals did.
Also, pressure up the middle is far worse then pressure around the end for QB's like Mahomes & Allen. The number of times in the Bengal's game that Allen was under duress almost immediately on the interior of the O line was ridiculous. That pressure had a huge impact on Allen's game.
You realized they signed Brown’s replacement for more money right? They let him walk because he thought he was better than he is and the market told him nah.
Completely agree with you on interior pressure. Hoping they can draft/sign a couple more ol cuz I’m not sure what they’ve done so far is enough.
2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:Yeah I figured you would miss the point. See ya.
Like the point made about bad receivers being household names?
yeah see ya
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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Com’on really? This is too easy. Did you missed them winning the other two? Even Brady with his punchable face can’t win them all.
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9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Saffold was beat off the snap and Allen's arm was getting hit as he threw it. You're being unrealistic.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic to expect a supposedly elite qb to make plays in tough conditions to advance his team.
Of course they have to surround Allen with talent. But everyone keeps going on and on about getting elite positions all over the place. Allen is supposed to be elite. Elite qb’s elevate their teams. Not the other way around. He doesn’t need the whole team to be superior to win a superbowl. He’s not Trent Dilfer.
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1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:
Yes they were but Kelce, the best TE to ever play the game, was still on the field as was the Chiefs much superior offensive line. Mahomes also had a better RB duo in that game then Allen had. Oh and did you forget who designed the offensive game plan and called the plays for the Chiefs? I like Dorsey but he ain't no Andy Reid.
Allen has had multiple spectacular games at QB and the Bills still haven't gotten to the Super Bowl with him. It's clear that there is only so far even an elite QB can take a team. Just ask Dan Marrino.
I’m pretty sure you’d agree that Kelce is a lot easier to defend when most of the receivers are out. Yet their qb can get it done with whoever is left on the field.
Here we are asking Davis to step up as a #2 to help Allen when him and Diggs are a much more dynamic combo than what KC has. I agree that Allen needs more help with a better Oline. He can also help the team more by taking short stuffs. Being methodical. Not get flustered and frustrated when things don’t go well. Just find a way. I’ve seen another qb with 13sec not looked panic whatsoever. Just went out and find a way. These are what I’m hoping Allen can improve on next year.
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2 hours ago, SCBills said:
They hit on Chris Jones. Their defense revolves around him. Even so, they are typically a middling defense because they don’t invest heavily .. Spags is just a good DC that gets them playing their best down the stretch of the season.They also hit on Nick Bolton and Willie Gay at LBs. Sneed and Mcduffie at CBs. Thornhill and Cook at safeties. I think they hit on quite a bit. That’s why I’m puzzled as to how McD can’t do this being a defensive guru.
1 minute ago, HappyDays said:Do you really not see the irony of these statements?
Did you not see how I pointed out Mahomes evades pressure and Allen should too? On that throw he was getting pressured from the left side but still should be able to make the throw. I thought we all agree he’s elite? Does he need everything to be perfect to make a throw? Elite qbs make plays in the face of adversities.
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2 hours ago, papazoid said:
are you kidding me....look how KC values Oline compared to Bills
3 legit All Pro's best in league // not the 10th alternate bullchit to pro bowl like bills
you put that in front of Josh Allen and he would be the undisputed best QB in league
TE - Travis Kelce (#1) All Pro // Knox #20
LT - Orlando Brown Jr (#10) 4x Pro Bowl // we have dawkins (#24) alternate
LG - Joe Thuney (#2 ) All Pro // we dont have a guard in the top 40
C - Creed Humphrey (#1) All Pro // morse #23 alternate
RG - Trey Smith (#12) // we dont have a guard in the top 40
RT - Andrew Wylie (nothing special and they let him go) // we have Spencer Brown ranked #73
You’re giving way too much credit to their tackles. Especially OBJ. Mahomes made them look better by being so evasive. Their 3 interior guys are legit tho. All about drafting and developing the right guys. Bills are so behind in this area.
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2 hours ago, Dr. Who said:
Even then, Mahomes has a superior oline and Andy Reid. And the Chiefs do get timely calls. They are now that team the way it used to be the Pats*. This is a combination of favored status as a marquee franchise with a superlative qb and coach and zebra incompetency. Allen is asked to play superhuman for the Bills to win and as the stakes are ratcheted up, the weight of that ask increases exponentially. I don't grant your premise. Bills have a porous oline, Ken Dorsey on a learning curve and unproven, along with a defensive-minded coaching staff that routinely falls flat in the postseason synchronous with an era where the league is set up for offense to win championships.
Their line is great in the interior. Their tackles are meh. Evidence by both not resigned this offseason. Mahomes style of play mask a lot of the tackles mistakes. He seems to have a sixth sense of where pressure is coming from and evades it.
Allen is just as mobile if not more. He can improve on getting a better feel for pressure in the pocket to evade. While Dorsey does need to improve next year with play calling Allen has to shoulder some of the offensive inefficiency blame. There were guys underneath all season that were missed and drives stalled. Including the Bengals game. That has to change. If Allen hit Diggs, who was wide open, on that first drive in the Bengals game it may have turned out differently. An elite qb cannot miss that in a playoff game. It’s not all on Dorsey.
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2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
In the Bengals Chiefs game Mahomes was kinda average as well. The difference is his defense only allowed the Bengals 20 total points.
The three times the Bills were within one score in the Bengals game 7-0, 14-7, 17-10 the defense gave up a score on the very next possession.Cause as Greg Cosell and Chris Simms have consistently pointed out he’s asked to do more than any qb they’ve ever seen cause the GM and Coach have a bug for being defense first people.
Wasn’t KC down to 1 starting WR in the championship game? Mahomes was throwing to ST guys while hobbled and still found a way to win? I wish Allen could be average like that. Bills probably have a superbowl by now if that’s the case.
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Soooo Diggs to KC for 2nd 4th 6th MVS and Jystin Ross? 🤔
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1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
Airseven - He’s just not Mahomes.
Nobody else in the league is.
The media sets the QB standard at Mahomes (because they are obsessed with ranking) and it’s something where I say okay he’s the clear-cut best, but it leaves 31 other QBs as never going to measure up to that.
That means Herbert isn’t good enough, he’s 0-1 in the Playoffs, Hurts isn’t good enough, he’s 2-2, Burrow, threw two interceptions in the AFC Title game, he isn’t good enough, Allen is 4-4 in the Playoffs, he’s not good enough, Dak isn’t good enough, Lawrence isn’t good enough, the media is living off the 2019 MVP for Lamar, but he’s 1-3 in the Playoffs, not good enough.
My stance is Allen is good enough to win “a” Super Bowl, and I agree to some extent with the media Mahomes ball washers - he is on another level, but because there is a gap, the Bills surrounding roster has to be better than the Chiefs, if not much better.
Unfortunately, Beane added Diggs in 2020 and an old Von Miller in 2022 and it’s not enough, at least until Kelce ages out because as good as the KC FO is, it’s hard to draft HOFers.
The next wave is always coming.
As Bills fans we have to hope that the Bengals owners don’t have much money and when you hear their representatives talk, they are gagging on that Burrow contract talking about everyone being happy.
Who is on the way up?
This is where I’m at as well. Mahomes is just unreal. Yeah Reid puts him in the best position to succeed but he has to deliver on the field. True generational talent.
With that said Allen is definitely good enough to win a championship. Needs better decision making. Team can help with upgrading the line. Learn from past failures. Bright future for this team.
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19 hours ago, Einstein said:
Josh playing like poorly down the stretch last year is kind of the elephant in the room that no-one has been willing to bring up.
Week 8 to 17
18 passing TD’s and 13 turnovers
Can’t bring it up without multiple responses saying he’s the most talented qb to ever live and that he’s not to blame. Just add Oline, weapons, new OC and his mistakes will magically disappear replaced by automatic superbowls for years to come. Slightly exaggerating about the responses of course…very slightly.
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25 minutes ago, Airseven said:
At some point, Bills fans should admit the :13 seconds game isn’t representative of Allen. Last year’s playoffs were a more accurate reflection of his erratic inconsistencies. OL is bad, but Allen compounds the problems and deserves blame of his own.
Allen can definitely work on some things to be better next year.
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1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:
Um, no. Knox is excellent and Davis is a legit #2. Chiefs WRs are probably two #2s and three good #3s. Overall, KC's offense w/out considering QBs is better but not wildly so. Mahomes made that WR group look better than it was.
More, looking back at KC's offense in their other SB-winning year, they had Kelce, Tyreek and not much else anywhere, including the line.
Right now, Mahomes is #1. It shouldn't be a question. An uninjured Josh is close behind, and he has a chance to re-write that narrative over time.
Great take! Mahomes makes his receiving corp better than it really is. Finding ways to come through no matter the circumstances. And for that he’s clearly #1 in the league.
Allen can definitely join him. That’s why I argue that Diggs and Davis are great receivers. Allen is capable of elevating them even higher. That’s what elite qb’s do for their teams. Allen just hasn’t done it consistently. The Oline is definitely an issue. Hopefully with these offseason moves it will get better. Let’s also hope that Allen learned from another disappointing season and come back hungrier next season.
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1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:
What are you talking about? No one is saying that. I posted a reply about him not being "perfect" and mentioned things he needs to improve.
Tom Brady is the GOAT and constantly worked on his game.
All that being said, I want Josh Allen as the Bills QB over anyone else.
Absolutely! You get it. He’s a great qb and would probably go down as the best Bills qb when it’s all said and done. That doesn’t mean he can’t improve on certain aspects of his game to get this team to another level. Unfortunately, you’re the few posters that acknowledge this. Most think he’s awesome and superbowls would just appear if he gets more Oline and WRs help.
All I’m saying is his game has alot of room for improvement to take the bills to the next step. Of course he can’t do everything but he has to do the majority because that’s just the way the position works. That’s why they get paid the big bucks.
fwiw I believe in this team and have laid $ on the over season totals the last few years. I’ll continue to do so this year. 👍
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4 hours ago, finn said:
But why is Allen emotional in the first place? Could it be that he yet another play had just been wrecked by his turnstile line, and the play before that by his receiver dropping the ball or running the wrong route? Or that Dorsey had called yet another head-scratcher? Or that he had one less receiver running routes because Knox had to stay in to block?
You don't see Mahomes frustrated half as often because Reid schemes his receivers, especially Kelsey, to be wide open half the time. And he has lots of time the rest of the time to sit in the pocket with his little squirrel moves until his receivers get open. Allen routinely had to dodge Brown's blown block and Saffold's blunder and buy time until his receivers broke open, only to see them drop a ball he put right in their hands.
And you say he needs to work on his emotions?
So basically yet another excuse to explain away his mistakes.
Let me try this again.
Allen is the most talented qb in the entire league and maybe in the history of the nfl.
He is a complete qb that does everything correctly all the time and would not need to improve on any aspects of his game. When the team lose it is on the other players and coaches. When they win it’s because he’s a hof qb.
Did I do this right?
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Most everyone here always say if Allen has Reid surely he would have the same accomplishments as Mahomes. I don’t think many non Bills fan would agree with this. So let’s put that to bed.
What I see is Allen needs to improve his play if the Bills are to win one and I hope he can. That starts with keeping his emotions in check. Too many times it gets the best of him during games and lead to mistakes. Without eliminating or at least minimizing mistakes then this team will continue to bow out of the playoffs. I’m confident with how Allen interviews that he knows this and want to get better.
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1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:
I disagree. The biggest things that separate Allen & Mahomes over the last 3 years are:
1) Mahomes is coached by the best offensive mind in the NFL today and one of the best in the history of the league.
2) The Chiefs prioritized the offense over the defense while Buffalo has prioritized the defense over the offense.
3) Mahomes has enjoyed a much better O line then Allen has over the last 3 years.
4) Mahomes has enjoyed a much larger collection of very good & elite play makers then Allen has had over the last 3 years.
BTW I've seen plenty of games were Allen patiently dissects a defense with the short passing game while they played two high safeties.
1. Best offensive mind that never won a superbowl until he got Mahomes. All of a sudden 5 straight championship games. 3 superbowl appearances. 2 superbowl wins. All started with Mahomes. Guess that’s a coincidence huh. Coaches scheme players execute. He’s a special player.
2. I definitely agree with the Bills part. Hopefully more is invested in the Oline this offseason. As for the Chiefs, after 2018 they invested heavily in defense as well. New coordinator. Paid big $ to Frank Clark. Gave Chris Jones a big extension. Then last year drafted almost all defensive players. The difference is they hit on their picks whereas Bills missed for the most part.
3. Agreed. Reid is very good with oline development.4. Disagree with this. If Diggs and Davis are on KC they’d be unstoppable. I don’t think there’s a lack of playmakers on the Bills because I believe Allen is elite and can elevate his guys. Again my criticism of Allen is his decision making. From taking check downs to seeing the field better so turnovers can be minimized. I also have no doubt he’ll work hard this offseason on those things.
8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:Lol
Juju is a better wideout than Davis
Hard disagree. Juju is a slow possession wr that has knee issues. If Davis has a decent year in ‘23 he’ll get a bigger contract than Juju for sure.
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5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
What no name guys shined with Mahomes or Burrow?
To me Burrow benefits from his great WRs not the other way around. So he isn’t the playmaker that Mahomes and Allen are.
As for Mahomes…let’s see. His first start in a meaningless game made Albert Wilson (who? Exactly) seemed like an all pro. Helped him get a huge contract that offseason. Made guys like Chris Conley, DeMarcus Robinson, Pringle seem like competent receivers. Until they flame out after signing with other teams.
And, of course, this past season. Almost everyone said he would struggled without Hill. Yet he thrived with other teams castoff jag’s. MVS, JuJu, Toney. All guys that their teams didn’t want. Barely #2 guys let alone #1. Won a superbowl with these jokers. Imagine what he’d be able to do with Davis on their team.
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1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:
Every QB including Mahomes throws "boneheaded interceptions". So what's your point? No one is saying that Allen is beyond criticism though I'm not sure what criticizing one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL gets you. Heck, do you remember the rookie Elam baiting Mahomes to throw an end zone INT in that game?
And yes that INT on the Bills first drive against the Jets was terrible. But then at the end of the game Allen threw a 70 yard pass that hit Davis in the chest that he dropped that likely would have earned the Bills a win.
IMO most of Allen's mistakes are either directly or indirectly the result of bad O line play. It's not just that the Bills need better O line play it's that their O line is among the bottom 10 in the NFL. This makes the success of Allen and the Bills offense all the more remarkable.
Again with the excuses. Allen started the season like gang buster but tailed off badly as the season progressed. Playing badly and throwing int’s that cost games preventing the Bills from getting the #1 seed. It has happened in previous years like the 9-6 loss to Jax. Inexplicable and inexcusable. I was hopeful that he’d learned from those experiences to propel deeper in the playoffs this year and possibly win a superbowl. Obviously that didn’t happen so here’s hoping he’ll do better next year.
The team hasn’t achieved its ultimate goal so there will be criticisms across the board including the qb. Unless you think he’s a perfect product as it stands and doesn’t need improvements. You stated he’s ‘not perfect’ but continue to deflect all criticisms away to others. Again criticizing his mistakes doesn’t mean he isn’t great.
The point with Mahomes is his mistakes usually don’t cause his team to miss out on the best chance of winning a championship. His worse performance was probably the 2nd half of the AFC Championship game in ‘21. So what did he do…worked hard in the offseason to learned from it then came back in ‘22 to win it all. That is what I’m hoping Allen would be able to do. That ability to learn and overcome is also among the things that separates the two of them for now.
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24 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
Any Youtube search can also show Allen running around when the pocket breaks down making great plays.
And why don't you wait until AFTER Allen has even an average O line before claiming that he isn't isn't making "elite decisions". It's ridiculous to criticize Allen here when his O line has been much inferior to what Mahomes has had in KC.
Who is saying Allen is "perfect"? No QB is. But considering the inferior quality of his O line and the lack of any great offensive play makers beyond Diggs, Allen's accomplishments and stats have been nothing short of amazing. Give him a good O line and SB trophy's will follow. KC has done this for Mahomes, the Eagles for Hurtz and the Bengals are desperately trying to do it for Burrow. Can we honestly say the Bills are trying as hard as these teams to give Allen a good O line?
Here we go. In the same post saying Allen isn’t perfect but beyond criticism apparently. Always something else. Can’t possibly be him when things go bad. A quick YouTube search would also yield boneheaded interceptions from Allen. Throwing straight to a Jets defender while rolling right. Getting baited by Peterson in the end zone vs Minnesota. Guess it was his Oline that made up threw those picks. Or the poor play design by Dorsey to throw straight to DBs.
Allen is a great qb. There’s no need to protect him from mistakes he would surely own up to. These are things that he would have to improve if the Bills are to win a championship. I have also said the Oline needs to be better. That doesn’t mean Allen is absolved of his mistakes.
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Yeah agree about Jones. He’s their big impact player. Line play on both sides determine so much of the game. Von was so good in that game against KC. It was probably his best showing against Mahomes. Hopefully he can come back to be the same player. Finding a few more contributors on DL would go a long way next season. That’s why I wasn’t too excited when the defense ranked high during the regular season. I don’t think a true dominant defense exists in today’s NFL.