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1 hour ago, Bills!Win! said:
Coaching trees would be
Holmgren
Reid
Belichick
who else?
You forgot the granddaddy of them all…Walsh.-
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1 hour ago, Chaos said:
I think Madden/Stabler did in the 70's
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3 hours ago, Sweats said:
I could see JA pulling a Barry Sanders in the near future..........if the team is stagnant and not going anywhere, then maybe early retirement is the only way out and that was the only way Sanders saw his departure from a failing franchise
Andrew Luck’s wife influenced him to retire early. Might we see the same with Hailee?-
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14 hours ago, Pete said:
Greg Rousseau's 2025 PFF overall grade is 83.7 as of mid-October, ranking him 18th among NFL edge rushers.
Not bashing or defending Rousseau but PFF is a joke. They rated Geno higher than Mahomes in the blowout game on Sunday. Any system that could do that after that game is truly flawed.-
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2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
I feel Josh has changed completely this offseason and its good for him,bad for us. He now says a Superbowl is no longer the goal, that going out and playing etc is. He said Hailee has helped him realize he isnt just a QB. I see a guy who now is just there. Im not saying he doesnt like to win,but if we do we do, if not its ok,he is going home to his wife. I just dont see the fire or passion of years past.
I’ve noticed this as well. Just before the season he was saying he envisions a Super Bowl parade in Buffalo. Now he’s saying essentially whatever happens happens and that he’s more than just a football player. Why do you think that is? My opinion is he wants to temper expectations and focus on one game at a time. At least I hope that’s what it is.-
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On 10/16/2025 at 9:56 AM, Dunkirk Donski said:
Keon Elam
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18 minutes ago, BillsVet said:
Failed from the perspective that last year by Weeks 4 and 5 they couldn't muster much offense, scoring only 30 points total in those 2 games which necessitated the trade for Cooper. After he arrived for week 7, they scored 30+ in 9 of their next 10 games.
They replicated the approach this season with everybody eats and a similar offensive scheme and after a hot start, their offensive is sputtering just like last year.
KC in 2022 didn't have the brutal games Buffalo did in 2024.
Bills averaged 37pts the first 3 games last year. Then the lull hit with Baltimore and Houston. To be fair this is what they seem to do every year regardless of what system or OC is in charge. I’m not sure why that is but it has happened. They pull themselves out all those times and I’m expecting the same this year starting this week.
Do they have enough to go all the way? Not sure. There’s still a lot of football left.
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19 minutes ago, BillsVet said:
Mahomes throwing to prime Kelce and a healthy Smith-Schuster in 2022 is definitely not Josh throwing to a slot receiver and the 8th WR taken in 2024. Don't care how you quibble over it.
That's the topic up for debate, not what happened the following year. Even if it were, Buffalo's version of "everybody eats" was a fail by week 4 last season and KC's was enough to win the SB with similar quality QB play. Doesn't add up.
What? Allen won MVP last season spreading it around. Bills offense was #2 in points scored. Trading for Cooper gave them another viable option. How did they failed?
If you say it’s failing at this point then I agree. Just like year 2 of KC’s method was not that great as well. Another similarity.
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5 minutes ago, BillsVet said:
KC may have been spreading it around more to lower-tier receivers in 2022, but Kelce had almost a quarter of Mahomes' targets and Smith-Schuster had another one-sixth. Those two guys combined for 40% of the pass attempts that year. No doubt having top-end Kelce that year opened other options up in a way Buffalo didn't reflect in 2024. Also allowed someone like MVS to have a decent year w/42 catches for almost 700 yards.
Just because the ball went more to 2 guys doesn’t mean anything more than that. Shakir and Coleman combined for 40% of the Bills passing yards last year. What does that prove? Those two are studs?How did JuJu do after that great season when he cashed in with NE? Also how did KC do on offense the year after in 2023 when Rice took over JuJu’s spot? No pass catchers, including Kelce, got to 1000 yards. It’s literally spreading it around and everyone eats offense. Not sure why you’re so opposed to that comparison. KC doesn’t have a #1 guy. Especially the last 2 years with Kelce losing a few steps. The only difference is KC has had more success with this method. Now it looks like Rice might be emerging as the #1 guy for them. Which is not good for the rest of the AFC.
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6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Yep KC's offense took people by surprise in 2022. Defenses were still playing them like they had Tyreek Hill. In 2023 defenses adjusted to take away the easy short field completions and suddenly their offense started to struggle. So since then they have invested a ton into their WR room, and now right when their defense has fallen off a bit they have a passing offense to make up for it. That's what a forward thinking organization does. Adjust on the fly to work with the pieces you have, but don't get complacent just because you're able to make those pieces work for a short time. The Bills on the contrary are stuck in neutral. Whatever worked last year, just do it again. It turns out simply running everything back was the wrong strategy, as many people on here predicted. KC every year takes on a new identity.
This is the part that a lot of us are frustrated with the management of this team. It’s a shortcoming that the leadership needs to recognize and improve. -
26 minutes ago, BillsVet said:
I think you're forgetting a pass catcher who happens to be engaged to someone famous and helped with their ensemble WR group. Can't place his name, but I think he's pretty good and probably influenced personnel decisions at WR.
As for the post-Tyreek SB win in 2022...Juju had a good season, MVS was better than replacement level...and then there was that guy engaged to the famous person. Not exactly "everybody eats" quality of pass catchers. In 2023, it was Rashee Rice showing up as a rookie...having 500+ yards receiving in his final 6 regular season games.
KC didn't do "everybody eats" and comparisons to it are absurd.
From Reid to Mahomes to that famous guy literally said they were spreading it around with no clear cut #1 target that year. It may be that I watch more general NFL football coverage than just Bills so my perspective made be more macro and not confine to just Bills. -
36 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
KC scored 22.2 PPG in 2023 (14th) and 23.1 PPG in 2024 (12th). That's nice for them that they can have an offense outside the top 10 and still compete for Super Bowls. The Bills very clearly are not built that way. We need to score 30 PPG bare minimum to have a chance.
The first season after trading Tyreek they avg 29.2 ppg (1st) and won the Super Bowl. That’s with MVS and JuJu as the main receivers along with Kelce. The next two years, like you said, their offense wasn’t as good and but they adjusted and still got to where they want to go.I feel like last year the Bills had similar offensive success as KC did in ‘22. Now it’s the second year of the same plan and it’s not as successful. You’re right about the Bills not being built the same. Mainly because of the defense that can’t stop teams in big spots. Let’s see how they can adjust the rest of the season. Hopefully adding more receiving help by the deadline. Also fingers crossed that Keon can get better.
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9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
KC scored 22.2 PPG in 2023 (14th) and 23.1 PPG in 2024 (12th). That's nice for them that they can have an offense outside the top 10 and still compete for Super Bowls. The Bills very clearly are not built that way. We need to score 30 PPG bare minimum to have a chance.
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5 hours ago, BillsFooteball said:
Fair comparison. To add how about 90’s when they were great team but couldn’t get over hump and had the Bulls to get past in eastern conference. 1991-1993 bulls eliminated Knicks then again in 1996
Ewing and the 90’s Knicks is more relatable to the current Bills. There was a team and a guy that was in their way. Sounds familiar? -
4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
They did it because they HAD to. That’s not what the TRIED to do. That’s my point. They tried to find a number 1. They took lots of swings and eventually did. The Bills purposely decided to have only role players. Journeyman Mack Hollins, the Patriots 4th or 5th WR, led the Bills in snaps last year. That can’t possibly happen.
They traded down twice before settling for Keon as the 9th WR off the board or whatever he was. He obviously wasn’t some guy that they thought would transform the offense. If he was, they would have just picked him instead of going backwards twice. The FA dollars went to Samuel, Palmer and Moore. They didn’t draft a guy at all this year (I don’t count Prather). The Chiefs approach was, “we need to keep swinging to find elite WRs.” The Bills approach is, “get a bunch of bodies and Josh will make them good.”
I get what you’re saying. They traded Diggs and got a couple of jag receivers. But what do you want the team to say when they haven’t found a big name guy? Of course it’s ‘everybody eats’ and Allen will spread it around.
My point was KC signed Juju and MVS to replace Tyreek. Not exactly world beaters. They drafted Sky Moore that year. He’s worse than Keon. They went into that season saying the same things about ‘everyone eats’ and Mahomes would spread the ball around. Mahomes won MVP that year and KC won the Super Bowl. Allen won MVP last year with this philosophy and Bills actually were pretty good but couldn’t finish at the end.
Could Bills have invested more draft capital in receivers? Definitely! But they didn’t draft Keon to throw contested jump balls. They envisioned him being a #1. It just hasn’t worked out.
I agree that it was disappointing they didn’t invest real draft capital this offseason into receivers. KC does swing more definitely. Hopefully Beane can get something done by the trade deadline.
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17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Being right about a selection and trying to find in alpha aren’t the same thing. I’m not using the result to be right. I’m using their process. They have CONSISTENTLY swung early to find a guy. Rice is the guy. He’s a 1200 yard+ guy that demands targets. Worthy looks like a high end 2 and Juju & Hollywood are solid role players.
There is a MAJOR difference in drafting guys early, signing former high end players and having Mack Hollins lead your team in WR snaps. The Bills haven’t actively tried to find an alpha. They’ve tried to find varying skill sets. The Chiefs have tried to find stars. The Bills PROCESS is as flawed as the guys.
I’m not completely disagreeing with that notion at all. My post was about ‘everyone eats’ philosophy. That’s exactly what KC did the two years immediately after trading Tyreek Hill. They got Super Bowl trophies out of it while we’re getting knocked out of the playoffs the same way year after year. Not everyone can operate the way KC can. Allen needs a legit #1 receiver. Brady also needs to design better schemes.
Rice looks to have great upside. But remember he only played 2.5 games last season. In his rookie year he didn’t come on until late in the season. And this year he has played 1 game. So he hasn’t exactly been the reason they went to 3 straight Super Bowls.
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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
No, no, no. KC used 2 seconds (Moore & Rice) AND traded up in the 1st (Worthy) for WRs SINCE Tyreek Hill left. They signed former 1st rounders, Toney and Hollywood Brown along with former 2nd round picks Hardman and Juju. They took lots of swings on high end talents with varying degrees of success. That’s 7 guys with a first or 2nd round pedigree added since the Tyreek trade (off the top of my head). They did literally the opposite of just roll with whatever. They spent a ton of resources trying to find the number one and they have it with Rice.
Moore was a bust. Toney was a bust. Hardman was a bust. Juju and MVS couldn’t make it anywhere else. Those were their receivers when they won Super Bowl 57 against the Eagles.Rice was a rookie when they won Super Bowl 58 after guys like Toney and Sky Moore were dropping passes all season. Then last year was when they overhauled again and got Brown and drafted Worthy. Rice seems to have developed into a #1.
Yes KC invested in pass catchers. Most have not panned out but they were still winning Lombardi’s. Bills also have invested in a lot of pass catchers. 3 starters out of the ‘22-‘24 drafts. There aren’t any trophies to show for it so it seems worse.
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
The concept of “everybody eats” should have had people with pitchforks. Instead, it had a bunch of sheep defending it. “Why have 1 WR that’s fast, separates, good on contested catches, good hands, runs after the catch when you can have 4 guys that can each do one of those things?!? If you don’t have a guy that’s good at everything you don’t have to throw him the ball as much and other, lesser talents can get a turn.” 🤣🤣 That’s literally what they built and people are wearing shirts and hats supporting that.
This was the same concept KC used after trading away Tyreek Hill. They won back to back Lombardi’s with guys like MVS, Kadarius Toney, Sky Moore, Juju, Hardman. Literal jags that can’t make it anywhere else.
Sometimes it feels like this team follows KC’s footsteps but, of course, always late to the party.
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49 minutes ago, ganesh said:
Just Win Baby !!!! Go Bills !!!
Might as well take that one. It’s not like the Raiders are using it anytime soon. -
53 minutes ago, Bockeye said:
Great write up, but what did we do in those years?? The feeling is that we are not a SB team, and we’re not. End of statement.
There’s a lot of football left. Nothing is set in stone right now. -
5 hours ago, Mango said:
You could replace Josh with Shane Buechele and the Bills would still win by 21.
This would be if they let Shane pass. If he just hands off they’d win by 50. -
2 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:
Should have Bit at that moneyline 😂
ML is not locked yet.
two Player that can really change the Bills
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Maybe they’d do Worthy for Coleman swap.