Sierra Foothills
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2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:
Did Dumerville have those freakishly long arms though?
Turns out 32.6" versus Solomon at 34"...so advantage our guy. But not at all a terrible comp overall.
I compared Solomon to Dumervil upthread... the reason being that both have disproportionately long arms. The tale of the tape:
On 4/27/2024 at 5:45 PM, Sierra Foothills said:Solomon's measurables are very similar to Elvis Dumervil, the Louisville product who was drafted in the 4th round and had a borderline HOF career:
Player Height Weight Arm Length Wingspan 40 Yard 10 Yard Split
Elvis Dumervil 5'11.375 257 32.625" 76" 4.75 1.65
Javon Solomon 6' 246 33.875" 80.250" 4.72 1.65
105.5 Career Sacks
23 forced fumbles
2× First-team All-Pro (2009, 2014)
5× Pro Bowl (2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015)
NFL sacks leader (2009)
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10 hours ago, 86poker said:
For those assuming that Coleman will be bad because of his 40 time
Antonio Brown 4.56
Davante Adams 4.56
Chad Johnson 4.57
Cooper Kupp 4.62
Larry Fitzgerald 4.63
Chris Carter 4.63
Anquan Boldin 4.71
Jerry Rice 4.71
10 hours ago, wettlaufer said:Chill out, worry warts.
And my complete list of 25 receivers, below:
On 4/27/2024 at 6:07 AM, Sierra Foothills said:In this topic Keon Coleman has been compared to the following bigger receivers who had middling 40 times:
Eric Moulds N/A
Keenan Allen 4.71 (Pro Day)
Anquan Boldin 4.71
Devin Funchess 4.70
Terrell Owens 4.63
Larry Fitzgerald 4.63
Cooper Kupp 4.62
Kelvin Benjamin 4.61
Allen Robinson 4.60
Tee Higgins 4.59
Plaxico Burress 4.59
Puka Nacua 4.57
DeAndre Hopkins 4.57
Michael Thomas 4.57
Davante Adams 4.56
Courtland Sutton 4.54
Mike Williams 4.54
Gabriel Davis 4.54
Brandon Marshall 4.53
Mike Evans 4.53
James Hardy 4.53
Dez Bryany 4.52
Michael Pittman Jr. 4.52
Vincent Jackson 4.51
Kenny Golladay 4.50
It's also been brought up that players that timed slower like Jerry Rice (4.71), Steve Largent (4.70), and Antonio Brown (4.48) had great NFL careers. Amon-Ra St Brown (4.59) is on that trajectory.
I think the following points are indisputable:
- No one here knows what Keon Coleman's career will look like (we might think we do but we don't because all of us have been wrong about players)
- He was drafted 33rd overall
- A slower 40 time does not guarantee failure in the NFL
- Play speed is different than timed speed
- Based on his RAS, the game tape, his multi-sport exploits, and professional opinions, Coleman is an elite athlete EXCEPT for top end speed
- Besides elite athletic traits he brings size, toughness, elite contested catch ability, and elite blocking ability to a WR room that had none of the above
- His size, toughness, and unique traits will translate well to cold weather, late season and playoff games when DPI becomes legalized
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On 4/27/2024 at 2:49 PM, DJB said:
Punt return guy that plays nickel
I think he also ran one of the top 10 fastest 40’s this year
Forty times are meaningless.
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7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
I'm old enough to have experienced it, and a decade before that as well. My comment still stands. These 7th Round guys have little chance of making a roster. It'd be better for them to not be handcuffed to a specific team.
I think @PromoTheRobot's point was that it's not gonna happen. The teams have relinquished as much control as they're going to.
6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:I've been wondering a lot about CB this weekend.
I want to believe it’s that they’re gaining confidence in Elam - who I saw today is the third youngest player on this new roster.
Yes, not quite 4 months younger than former Bill Tremaine Edmunds.
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9 hours ago, Rockinon said:
I think the Bills the overall philosophy changed after the playoff loss to Cincy a couple years ago. The Bills were bullied in that game and that did not go over well. It is looking to me like the Bills are looking to become the bully. From the beefing up in the trenches to the skill position players. They know they have a great QB but clearly they also intend to run the ball. The entire way they are building this team is to get back to some smash mouth football.
My belief as well, as I've posted elsewhere.
6 hours ago, Bruce200 said:It’s going to look bad if Xavier Worthy ends up as the next Tyreek Hiil and runs wild for 50 and 60 yard touchdowns and Coleman ends up being covered like a blanket. We’ll find out pretty soon. I hope for the Bills sake we didn’t miss out on a great receiver. I’m having a hard time believing the Chiefs don’t know what they’re doing.
On the other hand the Chiefs traded a 3rd and a 6th for Kadarius Toney.
3 hours ago, nedboy7 said:Brett Whitefield's take on the KC pick. He had XW as his #13 WR. He is quite down on him.
28) Kansas City Chiefs: Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas = F
Who fleeced who? Buffalo gladly allows the Chiefs to get Worthy. This pick ranked dead last in the Whitefield/Wecht Value Model. I don't know why the Chiefs were hell-bent on doing the Mecole Hardman experience all over again, but here we are. The Chiefs' recent track record of WR acquisitions also doesn’t give me a ton of confidence in this pick.
In spite of having watched NFL football for over 5 decades, I can't predict the future but I have no problem waiting to see how this all plays out.
I believe Coleman will justify his draft position and that Beane will be vindicated but we'll know soon enough.
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16 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:
I think even if I heard of him before I wouldn't know how to pronounce that name
They said on ESPN that even close family members struggle with the pronunciation.
16 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:NFL Network did not even show the pick
16 hours ago, mrags said:Here’s a hint: because no one’s ever heard of him. The Bills brass found him on a corner in Somalia I think
Actually Nigeria by way of Alaska: "In 1984 his Dad immigrated from a war-torn Nigeria to Alaska to build a better life. He earned on accounting degree from the University of Alaska Anchorage while driving a taxi to pay his tution, Eventually he founded "Consumer Care Network- a company that provides in-home care for the elderly people with disabilities… while establishing a successful real estate business as well. His mom Joyce, followed her husband from Nigeria to Alaska and eventually earned a PhD in psychology, all while raising 5 boys and instilling an unwavering work ethic. "We just put one foot in front of the other” Joyce said. “We’re immigrants. For most immigrants the reason you come here is for a better life. So when you get that opportunity you try to make the best of it. Coming somewhere where you are looking for a better opportunity, it minimizes the struggles. You have to endure the hard work. You don’t see that as struggles because you know where you’re coming from and appreciate the opportunity to make something better for yourself and your kids."
16 hours ago, Fixxxer said:Matakevich's replacement, though a lot more athletic...
Welcome to Buffalo!!!
16 hours ago, HappyDays said:Probably intended as a replacement for Tyler Matakevich. I'm fine with it. I've been saying we should have day three rookie contracts starting on special teams instead of veteran contracts. It's an easy way to save money so we don't end up in predicaments like we did this offaeason.
This kid isn't only a special teamer:
- All PAC 12
- Associated Press 3rd Team All-American
- Butkus Award Finalist.
10 hours ago, billsfan89 said:I thought with Milano and Bernard as the starters and Dorian Williams and the vet LB they signed from Philly and Spector the Bills were good at LB. But I think they likely saw how these smaller quicker guys may be more injury prone so having depth is critical.
I think they will either carry 6 or cut Spector and try to “sneak” Spector on the PS.
Thank you for a GREAT observation.
Like Milano and Bernard, this guy plays like he was shot out of a cannon... every play.
I really like the Bills linebacker unit now across the board. It should be the best LB room in the McDermott era.
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16 hours ago, blacklabel said:
I was waiting for when they picked one of the guys with an interesting name. Coleman, Bishop, Carter, Davis, all pretty standard and then bam, Van-Pran Granger!
Wham Bam Thank you Ma'am!
16 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:This is why I like this idea. If he needs a year to get up to speed and learn we have the spot covered. McGovern can hold it down for a bit. If he ends up starting now, McGovern can slide back to LG and it improves both positions.
I won't predict when SVPG will become the starter but competition is a hugely important ingredient to success.
16 hours ago, Roundybout said:Im shocked we picked him when he clearly is responsible for killing 33 there.
Cochrane and Bailey have passed on but I think Dershowitz is still around.
16 hours ago, stinky finger said:Surely not the Cushenberry’s of Sussex.
Lord Cushenberry wouldn’t have it.
I'm told Lady Egmont was quite offended by this selection.
11 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:Bills are listing him as a C/G
Could he compete with Edwards at LG and groom at Center?
There's no way he won't be getting practice reps at one of the guard positions.
9 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:Can I pre-order his jersey?
Good thinking! No telling how long it might take from the seamstress.
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11 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:
Some Bills fans need to understand that the old way of signing worn-out free agents is no longer a viable option. So instead Beane is going to the draft instead of the free agent that doesn't get it done at the end of the year. Worn-out retreads aren't always the answer.
Beane knows what he doing.
5 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:Ty is a good football player... tough, good in-line speed, good on special teams. Davis is an accomplished running back and an upgrade over the journeyman Johnson. Davis rushed for 260 yards and 4 TDs against a Top 20 team. He played for 3 college football teams and had success at each stop. His selection ends the Bills veteran re-tread carousel of Duke Johnson, Latavius Murray, Damien Harris, and Ty Johnson.
Funny we both posted essentially the same thought within seconds of each other.
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15 hours ago, Bangarang said:
No. Ty Johnson has earned that spot right now
Ty is a good football player... tough, good in-line speed, good on special teams.
Davis is an accomplished running back and an upgrade over the journeyman Johnson.
Davis rushed for 260 yards and 4 TDs against a Top 20 team. He played for 3 college football teams and had success at each stop.
His selection ends the Bills veteran re-tread carousel of Duke Johnson, Latavius Murray, Damien Harris, and Ty Johnson.
15 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:I'm too happy in life to be that miserable.
Amen, Brother.
15 hours ago, Beast said:The Bills are not a run first team.
It's not a black and white thing... it's a matter of degree. Once Joe Brady took over, the offense definitely had a different identity. It looks to me that with the picks of Coleman and Davis the Bills are going to have that power component that they've been missing.
15 hours ago, Roundybout said:I didn’t realize how many veteran WRs are still floating around. Post June 1 will likely see us add someone
As we did at edge rusher last year with Leonard Floyd.
15 hours ago, khlax3 said:how is rb not a need? We have James cook and Ty Johnson who is a journeyman type player. If cook went down you had Ty Johnson and literally nothing else
Exactly correct. James Cook had about 237 carries last year. The other Bills running backs (Latavius Murray, Ty Johnson, Damien Harris, Leonard Fournette) had a combined 144 carries..
Josh carried the ball 111 times.
I'm thinking Ray Davis will get at least 175 carries and 200+ touches.
He's essentially a starter, running back 1B.
15 hours ago, wppete said:😳 Im getting Zach Moss vibes.
Moss played very well in 22 games with Indy as a backup and part-time starter (11 games) after Jonathan Taylor was injured. Moss had 259 carries for 1159 yards, 4.5 ypc, and 6 TDs in a poor, one-dimensional offense and looked like the physical, dependable running back the Bills thought they were getting when they drafted him in 2020.
15 hours ago, Mister Defense said:I wanted a Maurice Jones Drew type, said it on this board, and while Davis may not quite be that he is similar--
low center of gravity, just a bit taller than the 5' 7" MJD.
Runs like a little bowling ball, like MJD.
And catches the ball well too, like MJD.
Seems to be the perfect counter to Cook, the slight, smooth, glider who can break one at any time, with Davis the tough, physical, hard hitting, bowling ball. Davis, if used well, and I have confidence Brady will not do what his extremely incompetent predecessor did--and use his players, even his young ones, like they should be used.
A very good physical WR, good physical safety, likely future starter at DT, and now a quality physical running back.
The Biils are becoming the kind of young physical team that relates better to their fearless leader, Josh Allen. Hallelujah.
Davis does look a bit like MJD... and the comparisons to Frank Gore, Travis Henry, and (the Indy) Zack Moss are all good ones. Tough, hard-nosed, good vision and instincts, runs with conviction, has good burst, and is a good pass-catcher and pass blocker.
Davis gives the Bills an effective and dependable running back that they can use as an alternative to James Cook depending on game situations.
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7 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Christian Benford was a 6th round pick.
Khalil Shakir was a 5th round pick.
Don't know who is going to turn into good players or not at this stage but the Bills seem to have a knack for finding the later round players that contribute
This Bills team drafts well in the middle round. Besides Benford and Shakir, they took Milano in the 5th round, Taron Johnson in the 4th, Siran Neal in the 5th round, Wyatt Teller in the 5th, and Gabe Davis in the 4th.
7 hours ago, Logic said:Super undersized for an edge rusher.
Not undersized... short... but with freakishly long arms.
His measurables are very similar to Elvis Dumervil, the Louisville product who was drafted in the 4th round and had a borderline HOF career:
105.5 Career Sacks
23 forced fumbles
2× First-team All-Pro (2009, 2014)
5× Pro Bowl (2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015)
NFL sacks leader (2009)
Player Height Weight Arm Length Wingspan 40 Yard 10 Yard Split
Elvis Dumervil 5'11.375 257 32.625" 76" 4.75 1.65
Javon Solomon 6' 246 33.875" 80.250" 4.72 1.65
7 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:He looks like Melvin Ingram
Not a bad comparable but Ingram had short arms 31.50"
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13 hours ago, zow2 said:
It’s great how he uses “shoot” in every other sentence. lol. He probably does it in place of swearing, ya know, being in Salt Lake City and all. Gotta keep it clean.
The Bishop quote I like the best is the one about "adding value."
I wish more posters around here had that concern.
13 hours ago, OZBILLS said:Culture guy. God fearing man. Loves the good book.
Heck, he's a Bishop.
I wonder if he missed his calling... maybe he was supposed to become "a man of the cloth?"
Maybe he'll become an ordained minister.
4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:If we can keep Samuel off the field that'd be awesome
Also, I don't want anybody telling me McDermott doesn't run the draft.
McDermott doesn't run the draft.
4 hours ago, HOUSE said:I am buying 3 more season tickets
Don't forget about that one detail... PSLs or something like that?
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30 minutes ago, QCity said:
The guy was MIA for the last half of the season. I don't question his athleticism, but the production isn't there. I assumed these comparisons to Hopkins and Evans are tongue-in-cheek jokes.
19 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:You are not factoring in that for his final three games, FSU did not have a functioning qb except at the very beginning of the north alabama game, when Jordan Travis went down early due to a leg injury that ended his season. He also had 5 catches for 86 yards and 2 tds vs Clemson.
3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:Agreed, they were on their 3rd QB by seasons end.
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1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:
Want to have some fun? Watch his basketball highlights.
That 41 point high school game?
It was ridiculous how effortless those 360 degree dunks were.
And I mean effortless.
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1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:
The analysis you’re responding to isn’t really accurate and also doesn’t factor in the late-season context for FSU last season (terrible quarterback situation because of injury).
And that's why I raised the questions in response to his analysis... which you in part answered.
Thank you.
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4 minutes ago, QCity said:
More like 2 games, LSU and Syracuse. The guy was MIA for the last half of the season. I don't question his athleticism, but the production isn't there. I assumed these comparisons to Hopkins and Evans are tongue-in-cheek jokes.
Thank you for a sober post and a legitimate concern.
I don't watch Florida State football (or any college football) so in evaluating Coleman's production it's fair to question Florida State's offense, their passing offense, their QB, and who the other receiving options were.
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6 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Yeah, an 800-900 yard season career player is exactly the kind of low ceiling guy I didn’t want lol
The upper end of Coleman's statistical range is possibly higher than that but also, statistics only go so far in expressing a player's true value.
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17 minutes ago, FireChans said:
What do you predict Coleman will produce at the NFL level if he isn’t a flat out bust?
My expectations are based on:
- Being picked at #33
- Gabe Davis' production
- Dalton Kincaid's production
- Joe Brady's spread the ball offense
- Heavy usage in the red zone
Keon will have 600-700 yards and 6-8 TDs as a rookie and his numbers will improve about 20-25% as his career peaks. He'll make a disproportionate amount of big plays and his run blocking will be a big part of the offense.
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In this topic Keon Coleman has been compared to the following bigger receivers who had middling 40 times:
Eric Moulds N/A
Keenan Allen 4.71 (Pro Day)
Anquan Boldin 4.71
Devin Funchess 4.70
Terrell Owens 4.63
Larry Fitzgerald 4.63
Cooper Kupp 4.62
Kelvin Benjamin 4.61
Allen Robinson 4.60
Tee Higgins 4.59
Plaxico Burress 4.59
Puka Nacua 4.57
DeAndre Hopkins 4.57
Michael Thomas 4.57
Davante Adams 4.56
Courtland Sutton 4.54
Mike Williams 4.54
Gabriel Davis 4.54
Brandon Marshall 4.53
Mike Evans 4.53
James Hardy 4.53
Dez Bryant 4.52
Michael Pittman Jr. 4.52
Vincent Jackson 4.51
Kenny Golladay 4.50
It's also been brought up that players that timed slower like Jerry Rice (4.71), Steve Largent (4.70), and Antonio Brown (4.48) had great NFL careers. Amon-Ra St Brown (4.59) is on that trajectory.
I think the following points are indisputable:
- No one here knows what Keon Coleman's career will look like (we might think we do but we don't because all of us have been wrong about players)
- He was drafted 33rd overall
- A slower 40 time does not guarantee failure in the NFL
- Play speed is different than timed speed
- Based on his RAS, the game tape, his multi-sport exploits, and professional opinions, Coleman is an elite athlete EXCEPT for top end speed
- Besides elite athletic traits he brings size, toughness, elite contested catch ability, and elite blocking ability to a WR room that had none of the above
- His size, toughness, and unique traits will translate well to cold weather, late season and playoff games when DPI becomes legalized
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6 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:
Kirk is absolutely right, but it's also not his team to run.
...or is this one of those made up stories?
His agent told ESPN that there is "frustration and confusion" over the pick.
5 hours ago, MJS said:Cousins sure knows how to make money. Wouldn't it be crazy if they move on from him next year and he is available to sign with ANOTHER team to start? He is like the GOAT when it comes to shaking down the NFL for money.
The secret is to be good, but not too good.
$282 million and counting...
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3 hours ago, MJS said:
The Chiefs have struggled for years picking receivers. It's safe to say they kind of suck at it. Even when they had Tyreek Hill (who they lucked into in the 5th round), they struggled to find a receiver opposite him.
So, why are we putting stock in their receiver picks?
Moreover, Reid traded a 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder for... Kadarius Toney.
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2 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:
I could care less about value or the possibility of them trading up with another team, you simply never make a move like this for fear it can come back to bite you as it did with Mahomes.
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In other breaking news, Meatloaf passes away from Covid.
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After all the years the draft was held in Radio City Music Hall you'd naturally think Shea's Buffalo... until you consider that Radio City has twice the capacity of Shea's (6000 to 3000).
Since the NFL took the draft on the road:
2017 Outdoor Theater on the "Rocky Steps" Philadelphia Museum of Art, Philadelphia
2018 AT&T Stadium, Dallas
2019 The Green at Riverfront Park and Nissan Stadium, Nashville
2020 Teleconference due to Covid, originally planned for Las Vegas
2021 First Energy Stadium, Cleveland
2022 Caesar's Convention Center, Las Vegas
2023 Union Station, Kansas City
2024 Downtown Campus Martius Park to Hart Plaza, Detroit
2025 Lambeau Field, Green Bay
So the NFL is using either NFL stadiums or large temporary structures in public spaces in city centers.
7 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:He'll be Bass Amateur by then
Perch Pro
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12 hours ago, Beck Water said:
Edit: one of the things I like about Joe B even when I disagree with him, is that he's methodical and backs up his takes.
In this case, he includes draft trade value info and assesses which teams would be plausible trade targets. I think the Athletic has some kind of cheap trial deal, or can be packaged with a Times subscription if one rolls that way.
Agree or disagree with Buscaglia, he's a very hard-working guy who puts a lot of research and energy into his craft.
I won't name names but there are many Bills beat writers from days of yore (who are household names among Bills fans) who I thought were lazy journalists.
Joe B. can look at himself at the end of the day and feel assured that he gave it an honest day's work. That's more than many beat writers can say.
I like O'Halloran too but I suspect he and some of the Buffalo News writers are constrained by their word count limits. The Buffalo News just doesn't produce articles that you can sink your teeth into anymore often because they're too short. BN sportswriters don't even attempt to finish their pieces with a kicker... the stories just end abruptly.
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Rd 5, Pick 141: C Sedrick Van Pran-Granger
in The Stadium Wall
Posted
In addition to the mention of Jeff Saturday (31.50") here are the arm lengths compared to the last 4 All Pro Centers:
SVPG: 31.375"
Jason Kelce: 32.50"
Frank Ragnow 33.125"
Creed Humphrey 32.25"
Corey Linsley 32"
Also keep in mind that the top center prospect in the 2022 draft, Tyler Linderbaum of the Ravens, has played up to expectations (2023 Pro Bowl) and should have a long and decorated career. Linderbaum has an arm length of 31.125"
If SVPG doesn't succeed as an NFL center, it won't be because of his arm length.
Also SVPG was First Team All-SEC center and won the award for best blocker in the SEC.
I'm no O-line expert but it looks like it's not far-fetched that he have a good NFL career. Here is a nice All-22 breakdown of SVPG: