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23 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
The Buffalo Bills had the seventh ranked offense last year seven out of 32 teams exactly how is that struggling it’s in the top 10
Easy. There were clearly a lot of games last season where they just weren't clicking. And most of the time that was due to lack of protection from the OL. As we see how training camp is progressing, its pretty easy to see that could be a potential problem for us again. That being said, when the offense is clicking and the OL is healthy and doing their job, no team can stop us. Our 7th ranked offense came from those 10 or so games where they were playing lights out. There were 5 or 6 games where it was the defense keeping us alive.
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32 minutes ago, corta765 said:
He also is bigger then most defensive players and back then may have been one of the fastest players in the league. It's why you can't compare era's, watching the game back it is much slower in comparison to right now. Not meant as criticism players have evolved and train to such a high level its wild what they physically can do. By comparison Kenny Davis was running a gas station summer of 93 lol.
Makes ya wonder if the evolution of athleticism will continue over the next 20 years. Will we see players running a 4.00 40 in 2035? Or will we reach a peak where its just not possible to become any stronger/faster. Or maybe its all just an illusion and and players only look faster than they did back then. Perhaps the change in performance can be contributed more to innovations in player gear. More flexible lighter weight pads, helmets, jerseys. Things to ponder...🤔
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2 minutes ago, BadboyBills said:
My concern with trading the 4th was that it would limit us in moving up during round 2 and 3. All the receivers that went just ahead of us in round 2 was killer. Skyy Moore to KC pissed me off. Hopefully Elam can cancel him out.
Yep, I was hoping they would move up to get Skyy when he was still there
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I personally like our 1st rd pick in Kaiir Elam considereing how the board was falling though I feel we could have still gotten him 2 picks down without trading our rd 4 pick.
I suspected the Bills might try and move up a bit in the 2nd for a receiver but since they didnt move I'm okay with the Cook pick. He will probably end up being a starter sooner rather than later.
If one pick pick from this draft has left me underwhelmed its the Bills 3rd rounder. He'll probably be a journeyman backup but I feel there were better picks out there.
I Like the 5th round pick in Khalil Shakir. Sad its our only WR pick but he should contribute some in this offense
Matt Araiza is our best pick of the 6th rounders. We went from having the worst punter in the league to the best. Hoping we go through this season without punting much again but after going through many years where our punter Brian Moorman was our MVP I understand how important the position is.
Not going to comment much on the rest of the picks but generall have no complaints there.
Overall grade B
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1 minute ago, Saint Doug said:
No one drafted in the 6th round is even going to make the team. I’m not sure what the plan is here.
we're trading up for 2 3rd round pics
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24 minutes ago, Doc said:
The 4th only would have allowed them to move up 4 spots in the 2nd and 8 spots in the 3rd. If there's a guy they want that badly in either of those rounds, trade a 2023 draft pick in a package. And no one knows who would have done what had the Ravens traded him to someone else, or if the Cowboys would have taken him (I think they would have and Beane knew it). But it was still worth spending if it meant ensuring getting a need who was also BPA.
My concern about trading mid round picks this year is not this season but the next 2-3. The Bills seem semi determined to go all in this year with a lot of the moves and that's fine if we bring home a Lombardy. But if 2022 isn't our year we have a lot of dead cap space creeping up on us the next few years and some key players we need to renegotiate next off season. Beane said multiple times this off season that we need to nail these mid round draft picks because of the cap situation we're in right now. Having more rookie contracts to work with will help us immensely in preventing a dropoff in talent when we can't resign players like Edmunds or Poyer next season.
I'm not really disappointed with the trade or the pick given the way the board was falling but just mildly concerned about next year. As @NewEra said, we could have likely gotten Elam without the trade up. If Elam was snagged then Booth was still there too.
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15 minutes ago, SCBills said:
I don’t hate trading a 4th.. I just wish we still had it to use in a trade up tonight.
Gabriel Davis was a 2nd/3rd round talent that fell to the 4th in an insanely deep WR draft. This draft is deep at WR, but in two years things have changed and that likely never happens again.
Not that it matters because I'm glad they took Elam over McDuffie but I wonder if the Bills could have traded up further than 23 with thier 4th rd pick if they were going to go that route. I envisioned them trading up to like 18-19 to take Booth but I was also hoping for a bit that maybe they would trade up to the 15-18 range and grab Hamilton if he slid that far.
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5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:
Let me know how many 6th rounders turned out to be HOFers like Brady.
More common for good WRs to come out of later rounds. Cooper Kupp 3rd Rd, Tyreek Hill 5th Rd just off the top of my head. Bean said in a presser a few weeks ago we need to nail the middle of the draft. I expected 2 of the rd 2-4 picks to be WR so...
The move just doesn't jive with me is all. Both booth and Elam were there. Even Skyy Moore was still available if we wanted WR.
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1 minute ago, djp14150 said:
yesbuffalo isn’t keeping all their picks. Roster is too deep.
you figure picks 1, 2, and 3 are on roster. Others are PS unless a major impressive camp occurs
I mean Gabe Davis was a 4th round pick at 128. That's potentially what we just gave up.
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4th round pick to move up 2. Was it worth it?
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Hope we take Booth over McDuffie if both there at 25.
Thoughts on George Pickens if he drops to bottom of 2nd?
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Just now, ROCBillsBeliever said:
Whelp... Josh Allen better get really adept at throwing passes to himself... No 1st round WR left... #fail
WR is probably the deepest position in this draft class. Don't fret if they're all gone in 1st round. We likely weren't taking one here anyway.
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Dabol winning this draft so far IMO. Like the bold moves by Detroit and Baltimore as well.
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Do we take a Kyle Hamilton if he's still available?
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26 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:
Sure. Virtually all of us would take more. But at what cost? What someone is willing to do to get more wealth, power, influence, etc. is important as integrity and morals are often the limiting factors.
From your original post, it would seem that the Hochul's were the more corrupt, deceptive party in getting the deal done as opposed to the Pegulas. They're just making a wise business decision. Forking over 350 Million for something they will not own doesn't ooze with greed to me. They own the team, not the stadium.
As for the Hochuls, I'm not going to disagree with you that there was probably some shenanigans going on, that's nothing new in politics unfortunately. Corruption is rampant in government on all sides, that's why I'm always in favor of smaller government or at least not expanding it's scope. People like to hate on billionaires but the truth is we created them. They provided a desirable product or service and we eat it up. If they start getting greedy and not acting in the best interest of society, we can easily take our dollars elsewhere. When the government starts getting greedy/corrupt it's a lot harder to take your tax dollars elsewhere.
At the end of the day though, nobody was harmed in getting this deal done. The Bills keep playing in buffalo, WNY keeps generating more tax revenue and we can go see the games in a new state of the art stadium and not have to p*ss in a sink.
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On 4/16/2022 at 9:38 AM, BarleyNY said:
First, thank you for a respectful and nuanced response. The Pegulas will make money regardless of how the stadium is funded. My point was more about how it is being funded. They will be putting in a very, very small amount of money. This stadium deal is the first I’ve seen where PSL revenue was considered part of the owner’s share (though maybe I’ve missed that).
Of the $350M that is the Pegula’s responsibility, most of that will come from PSLs sold well in advance of the stadium’s opening. For example, Atlanta’s 71,000 seat stadium sold $300M of PSLs prior to opening. I don’t expect the total for the Bills to be quite that high, but pricing hasn’t been released yet. I’d guesstimate $250M for initial PSL revenue, which would put the Pegula’s contribution toward the stadium at about $100M. it could certainly be less. That just seems egregiously low to me based on past deals and what they’re getting for it.
I mean, NFL owners typically aren't in the business to lose money. If any of us were billionaires and trying to negotiate a new stadium we'd probably go about it the same way. Greed is in all of us, politicians, billionaires and rubes alike. We all generally make decisions to serve our own best interest. The further up the food chain you get, the more leverage you have though.
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12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
If you are of the mind that there simply is no better way to benefit more people with 850 million of public money, then you are going to say things like this. We disagree.
Purely subjective talking point here. You could ask 100 different people and get a 100 different answers as to where they think their tax dollars are best spent.
Sure, a person who doesn't watch football or attend games is going to think 800M on a stadium is wasteful...but
A person who doesn't have children will think 800M on child health services is wasteful
Someone who doesn't drive could care less how much money the state spends on roads and bridges.
A person in the suburbs probably doesn't care much about public transportation.
I personally would rather see my tax dollars spent on a stadium than a whole laundry list of other items in the state budget.
You confuse me though.. You seem to be a Bills fan, no? But I've never seen anyone rail so hard against the team actually staying in NY and getting a new stadium.
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15 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:
Agreed, but Baltimore wouldn’t fork over the money and the Colts moved - suddenly they find the money and steal the Browns.
Cleveland couldn’t find the money and when the Baltimore threat was realized - suddenly Cleveland found the money and then built a stadium for the new Browns.
The same goes for St. Louis - lost the Cardinals - built a huge new dome for the Rams. Oakland lost the Raiders to LA and then got them back and lost them again over Stadium money.
Houston needed a new stadium - lost the Oilers - built a huge new dome for the Texans. LA had 2 teams leave that needed new stadiums and tax breaks - San Diego needed a new stadium - lost the Chargers - why would it be a surprise that suddenly they decided they could force through the tax increase on Hotels that failed and make another nice offer.
I would call BS except the exact same thing has happened at least 8 times in the last 30 years and every town that lost a team suddenly found funding to throw at a new team.
Every time.
The difference is if the Bills left Buffalo - they were not coming back - we were dead.
I always wondered why teams would leave cities only to eventually find their way back one way or another. This explains it.
I agree that there was zero chance a team would ever come back to Buffalo once leaving.
30 years from now when the new lease expires, stadiums will be costing in the 20-30 Billion range so $850 million from the state will seem like not such a bad investment. You can love or hate Kathy Hochul but if her one legacy from her stint as Governor is keeping the Bills in Buffalo that's not a bad way to go out.
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13 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said:
Regardless of what people may think of Billionaires getting public money for new stadiums what Gov. Hochul pulled off here was nothing short of amazing. She used a bumper crop of a budget surplus to slip the stadium funding through. She then hedged her bet by quietly negotiating a long-outstanding debt with the Seneca Nation and earmarked that money for the stadium deal while telling Albany and NYC naysayers that the money was generated in WNY and deserved to benefit the people of that region.
The result is the Bills are cemented in Buffalo for the next 34 years (something that seemed impossible just a few short years ago) and I’m not sure if it would have happened had the stars not aligned to put her in the Governor’s mansion last year.
Disclosure, I'm not a Democrat nor live in NY but I do applaud her for how she finessed the deal through. Part of the stars aligning was having Josh Allen too. Had the Bills not been on the path they're on and still stuck in perpetual 7-9 seasons, I think there would have been much less urgency to get a deal done for a new stadium.
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2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Ranking next extensions in order.
1. Oliver
I am not putting Poyer or Edmunds in yet. Need to see the Bills get through the draft. I could see both moved at the draft.
I am leaning to I can get Edmunds level play from Dodson. I know though the internal Bills think much more ahighly of Edmunds than even I do.
I would kinda like to see Poyer stay and get a 2yr extension but at the same time there's some safeties in this draft that I really like.
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Starting to feel more and more like Edmunds or Poyer arent going to be around much longer.
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5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
Scroll back...
It's not about getting "a discount" as a taxpayer (but it would be nice to get that back in smaller taxes, such as on gasoline); it's about better ways to spend the money. Using it to pay off a billionaire so he doesn't move his sports team should be way down on the list.
Or let Buffalo pay for it.
Why do you hate the Pegulas so much?
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25 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:
I am happy the deal is done and the team is staying. We pay plenty of taxes, so let's keep our team here.
The deal isn't done though yet is it? Last I heard NY missed the Friday deadline for state budget with the Stadium funding being one of the contention points.
I agree with all your points though. Even if there were a current owner willing to shell out 1-2 billion for a stadium, they wouldn't be doing it in WNY. They'd move the team first.
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22 minutes ago, BillsVet said:
What doesn't make sense is Buffalo adding defensive pieces without keeping pace on offense. I'll contend it's because the HC is a blockhead who thinks you need an 8-10 man DL rotation and to take the ball out of your QB's hands running it more to create "balance." They need a WR to fit in and perhaps they'll draft that guy, but with McHardhead, I wouldn't put it past him to go defense and make it 5 of 7 years using a 1st on that side.
I agree, this coaching staff is a little too focused on the DL rotation. Having said that I don't think there should be an over emphasis to draft a receiver in the first round.
Of the top 10 receivers in the league last year, only 2 of them were first round draft picks, 1 was from 2nd, 4 were from 3rd and 3 from 5th. I absolutely want to add more young receivers to the team but I think the value there is in the middle rounds. I'm pretty content with Diggs, Davis, Crowder, McKenzie.
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Albert Breer (MMQB) on the Dan Patrick Show
in The Stadium Wall
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This just made me think of recent video by Veritasium where he showcased how your average Joe off the street has a better chance at predicting outcomes than all the so called TV pundits and experts.
https://youtu.be/5eW6Eagr9XA?t=318