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It does include IR. That’s why the Titans were #1 on the list. They had an incredible 23 players on IR.

Seriously. We literally have posters who think a mass shooting tragedy that happened 8 months prior, in a city that players don’t even live most of the year, had an impact on the Bengals bashing our heads in. Never mind the fact that we won 14 games after that tragedy, including crushing the prior years super bowl champions in the first game after the shooting. Oh and the owners wife having a medical emergency 5 months prior was another reason the Bengals wiped us all over the field. Never mind the fact that players often have the games of their lives after there is deaths in their personal family (ex: Allen after his grandma passed, Tiger after his dad passed, etc). The mental gymnastics are incredible. I suspect if Allen’s cat dies, it will be season over and some posters will be saying “it’s just not fair to expect them to win like this”.

The football outsiders chart takes quality of player (player impact) into consideration. And that STILL places us into the bottom half of the league in injuries. Injuries are part of EVERY teams nfl season. It is what it is. We did not have an absurd amount of injuries - it was average. The Eagles won a Super Bowl without their starting QB, which is far more impactful than losing a playoff game without a starting safety and d-end. It’s all excuses. Yes good point and I did notice that as well. The Chiefs had unbelievable injury luck last year. They were pretty much completely healthy in the playoffs last season. But as you can see, the Bills injuries last year were par for the NFL.

What you just listed is an average amount of injuries for an NFL team in a season. It’s normal. That’s the point. And White wasn’t injured.

This excuse is getting old. Some of you are so accustomed to the good fortune of an astronomically low injury rate the previous few seasons that an average injury season has you talking like we lost half our squad. It just isn't so. We had an average amount of injuries for an NFL team. Not only were we in the bottom half of the league in games missed by players due to injury, the cumulative wuality of the players we lost were only slightly larger than the league average. And according to Football Outsiders, we were not even in the top HALF of teams affected most by injury. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2023/agl-2022-injuries-help-lead-broncos-trainwreck

Brian Daboll would have been a great candidate.

All of those things are true. And all of things are common in the NFL. Those things you listed above are not what makes a “miracle worker”. This is reminiscent of “Saint Doug”.

Andy Reid was in numerous Championship games and a Super Bowl before his KC tenure AND that was with a lesser QB than Allen. If Andy Reid had Josh Allen in Philly then he would have several more Super Bowl rings by this point.

I find the “miracle worker” label so odd. Cultures are changed in the NFL every year. Hundreds of coaches have done it. It’s nothing new to turn a team around. It probably FEELS like that because of nearly two decades of mediocrity, but the rest of the NFL didn’t have that long of ineptitude. But even if you want to call him a “miracle worker” of culture, it’s still Josh Allen that is responsible for the sustained greatness. If Allen ever goes down (knock on wood), you will see INSTANTLY just how much that “culture” is worth on the scoreboard.

You think so? Im not as sure. Maybe 2004.

So, you agree with me. It’s Allen. Not McDermott.

So now you’re moving the goal posts to “first team or nothing”? Interesting, considering you counted all the second team all-pro’s on the CURRENT team. No one is talking about 1999. 2002, 2004, 2014 All teams that Allen would have taken to the playoffs. There are probably a couple others, too.

Did you bother reading my “very dumb take”, or did you just rush to respond? I’ll copy and paste a section… “Put Josh Allen with Lee Evans, Eric Moulds, Travis Henry, Pat Williams, Aaron Schobel, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, Nate Clements, Terrence McGee, Lawyer Milloy, etc.” Moulds was an All Pro (twice). Pat Williams too. Takeo Spikes too. Aaron Schobel too. Lawyer Milloy too. Clements was a Pro Bowler and DROY candidate. We had almost the exact same amount of All Pro’s on that drought team as we did on this current team. Know the difference? Josh Allen. We are better because of Josh Allen. The rest of the squad is not all that different from some (not all) of the drought teams.

lol, i'm a Jets fan!?!?

Especially when the players play near perfectly and the coach does something like kicks a ball deep when the rest of the world knows a squib is the right call. But no, it's not always the coaches fault.

Exactly. Which is why I give McDermott less credit than some. It's the QB. Always has been. If the QB is good, and the team around him is not a complete dumpster fire, the team will be good. If the QB is bad, the team around him won't be good. This shows that a coach, at best, makes a marginal difference. That being said, I believe that the difference in coaching presents itself to a greater degree, in the playoffs. When it's win or go home, no second chances, every tiny minutiae of the game is vital. THAT is where a great coach shows his mettle. Unfortunately, that is also where McDermott continuously fails.

That just goes to show it's the QB ... not the coach. That proves my point. Chan Gailey could be our coach and we would be a playoff team every year... because, Josh Allen.

The team goes as Allen goes. When Allen is having a hard time, the rest of the team does not elevate to win consistently. They NEED Allen to play well. Consider this: The Bills are 5-6 the last two seasons when Allen's passer rating is below 80. They are 20-3 when it is above 80. Same coach (McDermott), in both instances. And a 5-6 record is 8-9 over an entire season - that's the drought era Bills. The Bills, when Allen is playing poorly, are the drought-era Bills.

Pretty much. I posted this last week and I've been thinking about it a lot lately. Question: How much better are we right now than the drought-era teams? One could make the argument that this current roster (outside of Allen) is not much better than some of our playoff-drought teams. Put Josh Allen with Lee Evans, Eric Moulds, Travis Henry, Pat Williams, Aaron Schobel, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, Nate Clements, Terrence McGee, Lawyer Milloy, etc. I may even pick that squad to beat our current team. Or put Josh Allen with Fred Jackson, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Kyle Williams, Prime Jerry Hughes, Mario Williams, Stephon Gilmore, Aaron Williams, Preston Brown, Darby, etc. That's a playoff squad. Even without Allen they were only 1 game out of the playoffs. Answer: I truly believe that without Allen, this team would be a 7-10 squad. Or maybe 8-9.

That means he is great at his job. More eyeballs = more advertising dollars = Adam Rank keeps his job.

Aaron Rodgers is much better than Mike White. They won't be on the hook for $100M next season as the plan all along was to re-structure his contract.

He doesn’t have to be, and that’s the point. If the Jets get even average/mediocre play out of him, they are a playoff caliber team. They don’t need HOF Rodgers. They simply need a QB that isn’t worst in the league like Zach Wilson was.

I don’t understand the narrative some Bills fans have that Rodgers is washed up. He has literally won 2 of the last 3 MVP’s and played on a terrible team last year. If the Jets had even average QB play last season they would have been in the playoffs.

Not sure I see the big deal with this quote either. Simms is simply saying the wholesome family guy was also a jerk to him on Twitter. Did Simms ever say not to donate?

Yeah that Jacksonville stadium blows ours out of the water.