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    Matt Araiza signs with Chiefs

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    42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

    That’s basically how it goes. Accused names should always be sealed in any rape investigation. I’m not sure why they aren’t.

     

     

     

    In the UK it's because it's very hard to prosecute accusations of rape so the hope is, by making the name public, it may encourage others who have been attacked by the accused but haven't come forward to do so. I assume it's the same in America.

    Matt Araiza signs with Chiefs

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    Yet again the Chiefs show where they're better than the Bills. Great move by then, and no idea why the Bills didn't go back in for him. Haven't really read the thread in full so not sure if Araiza rejected them over his treatment through the allegations. Of all the teams... but good move by the Chiefs and, unless he turned them down, the Bills caught short again.

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    What separates the Chiefs from every other team…

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    1 hour ago, 90sBills said:


    Of course he isn’t perfect. No one is. But since ‘fortune going his way’ has led to 3 championships he’s going to get the benefit of the doubt like you said. Allen’s mistakes will be scrutinized more because they have prevented him and the Bills from winning it all. Allen can change all that by winning it all. Hopefully sooner than later. 


    He threw it where only Kelce could catch it. Very similar to the Kelce TD in the Championship game against Baltimore. Low risk high reward throw. The fg was in the bag  no need to jeopardize that by throwing it over the middle. 

     

    So the answer to what the Bills need to do is put even more on Josh? Don't try and improve the receivers? Don't try and tighten up the defense? Just pile more on the QB. Even though the most recent KC win shows victory goes deeper than one person.

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    1 hour ago, 90sBills said:


    There were 10 secs left. If you look at the replay the safety was looking at Rice before Mahomes threw the ball to Kelce. He didn’t want to risk a throw to the middle where Rice might get strip like Flowers did in the Championship game or Hardman in against the Bills. That was a prudent play to protect the fg and play on. That kind of awareness is what I hope Allen would be better at. 

     

    Prudent play? He threw the ball to Kelce who was covered even more than Rice. Earlier, he threw a stupid ball which should have been intercepted and it was only fortune going his way it wasn't. The only TD he managed in regulation time was when the offense started in (or practically in) the red zone due to a lucky heel clip.

     

    He's human. He's never going to be perfect. But he seems to be given carte blanche even on here for mistakes which Josh isn't. Perhaps that's what rings do for QBs.

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    1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

    Tell me - what happened to his final throw in regulation time yesterday?

     

    Mahomes threw a quick fade to the corner of the end zone. On 2nd down he had 6 seconds left and they decided to kick vs risk another throw. He took KC the length of the field and set up a chip shot under 30 yards. 

     

    Tell me - what was so superb about him yesterday that mean the only TD he managed in regulation time was assisted by a punted ball hitting a Niners heel?

     

    He had the game tying and game winning  back to back drives in the Super Bowl.

     

    He ran out of time on the final drive. Settled for a FG inside 30 yard line. Then followed it up with a TD in OT for the win. The Bills stalled out on 4th down with plenty of time remaining and set up a 44 yard FG. How is this same? 

     

    How many game winners does Allen have in the playoffs? Before you get tempted to reference 13 seconds, make sure you check out the 2018 AFC championship game Mahomes played in. Nobody ever talks about that game because it's not his defining moment. It's become secondary to his 3 Super Bowls all won after being down 10 points (again something we have never done).

     

    Josh is Manning. Mahomes is Brady. Nobody ever said Manning was bad and most agreed he was way more talented than Brady ever was, still, nobody besides Colts fans ever said he was as good as Brady. Our fan base can keep talking about, imagine if Mahomes was on Buffalo, imagine if Josh had Reid, imagine if we had an offensive line. Nobody cares. People care about what actually happens. If it was a game about imagining Dan Marino would be the greatest QB of all time.  

     

    Mahomes missed a free man who could have run it in and scored a touchdown with no time for the Niners to respond in regulation yesterday. Exactly what Josh has been hauled over the coals about over the past three weeks, and in the OP's comment as well. It resulted in a FG attempt, just like three weeks ago. If Butker had missed or had the kick blocked the Niners would have won.

     

    And then he had to rely on his defense keeping the Niners offense away from scoring a touchdown. If they had succeeded, then he would have had to score a touchdown just to tie it up, and then the Niners (I think, not 100% sure of the current rules) would have only needed a FG to win.

     

    Mahomes is a great QB. The number one. I do get defensive because sometimes I feel people even on here seem inclined to run down Josh to build Mahomes up even more. Chiefs fans doing that, I completely understand but Bills fans? So maybe I get slightly defensive. For all his greatness, he did very little to win the SB for the Chiefs yesterday. But the plaudits will continue because, as you say, that's how it works.

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    What separates the Chiefs from every other team…

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    7 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

    I strongly disagree with the bold words above. Physically, JA certainly is equal to, or maybe even a bit above, Mahomes. But mentally (the mental part of the game such as reading defenses and making the correct decisions with ball placement….some people call these skills the intangibles), he is definitely NOT as talented as Mahomes. JA’s play on the field this past year absolutely proves the latter. Some would say that he has actually regressed in the last couple years. If he was just as talented as Mahomes, 3 weeks ago in the KC game, he would have led the team to a game leading TD on that final drive….but he didn’t. Mahomes pretty much always gets the game winning points, at the end. His playoff record speaks for itself.

     

    Tell me - what happened to his final throw in regulation time yesterday?

    Tell me - what was so superb about him yesterday that mean the only TD he managed in regulation time was assisted by a punted ball hitting a Niners heel?

     

    I do agree with you in that I think Mahomes is slightly ahead of Josh when it comes to the mental side of the game. But Mahomes has proven his drives can end up in exactly the same way as the Bills final offensive drive did three weeks ago and, as I said yesterday, it happened just yesterday.

    Super Bowl LVIII game thread.

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    54 minutes ago, Brand J said:

    No other team has benefited from such fortuitous circumstances like the Chiefs. Remember last year when they were getting dominated by Philly and then Hurts fumbles for 6? Or when the refs called a ticky tack hold on the Eagles defender to seal the game for KC? Or the game before that where the Bengal defender shoved Mahomes late out of bounds to put them in FG range? I can’t really explain how the bounces always seem to go their way. The one time it didn’t - last night where the 49ers were gifted a fresh set of downs after a defensive hold - they still come through with the TD to steal it in the end. They’ve got a knack for winning even when they should lose. Gotta give it to them.

     

    The only reason the Chiefs scored a TD in regulation last night is because the ball clipped a Niner's heel from a punt.

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    3 hours ago, zow2 said:

     

    I agree about the defense, they played awesome...but Mahomes did make plays to tie at the end and he lead them to the winning TD in OT.   You can't just say he was along for the ride.  He willed them to win imo.  He has the it factor.

     

    True, but Josh has that too. The surrounding parts made it tick for the Chiefs and kept them in the game whilst Mahomes worked it out. More often than not, particularly post season, Josh doesn't have that luxury.

    2 hours ago, FireChans said:

    You would knowingly take a worse QB? Why?

     

    Would you have taken Drew Brees over Brady as well?

    It’s clearly NEVER going to happen for Shanahan. He forgot CMC was on the team for the third Q.

     

    EDIT - My original reply was stupidly petulant so I'm going to edit. I think 31 teams would trade for Mahomes now. I think 30 would trade for Josh. But if the question is would I could go back, keep draft position in 2017 and pick a raw Mahomes or continue, trade, and pick a raw Josh in 2018, knowing what we know, I would still go for the latter.

     

    I think Mahomes would have struggled more to learn and grow under the coaching and roster in the early days in Buffalo than Josh did. I don't think temperament wouldn't have suited the scenario he found himself in - look at the almighty sulk after the regular season game this year. I don't think he would have got to this point under McDermott; my belief is he would have looked worse than Josh because, IMO, Josh's ceiling is higher and his 'superman' mode can overcome deficiencies which even Mahomes can not. The issue is the floor - Mahomes, when struggling, does not go as low as Josh can. I also think Mahomes is better at reading the field. I appreciate zow2's argument that Josh is the better football player but Mahomes the better QB. But because of temperament and mentality, I would not still not change anything in 2017/2018 drafts when it comes to the QB pick.

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    5 hours ago, FireChans said:

    100%. If I could go back to 2000, I’d draft Brady too. Everyone will agree on this in 20 years.

     

    I wouldn't, as talent wise I don't see a big enough gap between Mahomes and Josh to warrant it - whilst acknowledging Mahomes is a great QB. Mahomes went into a situation where everything well into place for him, whilst Josh has had to fight on so many levels and be patient for the Bills to get where they are.

     

    Put Mahomes on the Bills roster in 2017 and I think he would have struggled more than Josh for things to click, less because he doesn't have the talent to do so - of course he does - but more because his temperament would have quickly seen him get frustrated and annoyed at things not working out, which would have affected his play and the play of the players on offense.

     

    This is just my opinion. Mahomes is the number one QB but so many things have to fall into place to get something to work outside of the QB's control. It has for him. It hasn't for Josh.

    4 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

    You mean the clock ran out so he had to settle for a FG. Then he went on for the TD? You like to play the hypothetical game. Do you not believe the Chiefs score a TD if they have 30 seconds more? If you can jog my memory did the Bills also run out of time? 

     

    No, they mean St Patrick missed a completely open Rice on the final play before the FG to throw the ball to a covered Kelce.

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    2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

    Most of them will admit that Mahomes was the GOAT of the era in 20 years. They just don’t want to right now because it sucks for us. 

     

    If you could go back would you take Mahomes in the draft in 2017 and accept Josh going elsewhere?

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    Just now, zow2 said:

     

    There’s just little things each game that add up like accuracy, ball placement, pocket awareness… not huge differences but enough to give Mahomes all these SB’s.  

    As i’ve said before i think Josh Allen is the best football player in the league.  But Mahomes is the best QB and it’s indisputable. 

     

    Mahomes did not lead the Chiefs to victory tonight. Their defense did. Something Josh cannot rely on come the post season.

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    2 minutes ago, Talley56 said:

    Maybe WAYYYY too soon to ponder this but if the NFL goes the route of opening next season with a Thursday night game hosted by the defending champs, here are all of KC's home opponents next year.  Safe pick for KC's Thursday night opener might be Baltimore but I'm thinking it might be the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh's first game as coach.  Again, IF they go the usual route, I could see it happening.

     

    Baltimore Ravens

    Cincinnati Bengals

    Denver Broncos

    Houston Texans

    Las Vegas Raiders

    Los Angeles Chargers

    New Orleans Saints

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers

     

    Or the Ravens, in a re-run of the AFC Championship game (except the Chiefs are at home).

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