Cray51
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2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:
Too much a friend, he had to go....
I thought it was clear Sean was not a fan of how Daboll criticized players openly, which Daboll has had an issue with in New York as well.
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I don’t think Dunne has an ax to grind, I think he has bills to pay. He knows these types of “hit piece” articles draw interest and pull in subscribers. No one reads an article about how many former players like Sean. Even if he acknowledges there may be some, he can find a few that don’t and make that the large part of the thesis of his writing.
its not personal against Sean, it’s using him as a way to pay bills and build his career.
which is why I agree with Micah, it’s a low blow. But I see why he did it.
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26 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
It's not your or my or our job to find them. When we fired Rex, did you even know Sean McDermott existed? I didn't.
But the consulting firm helped Terry identify him as a candidate, and the professionals worked it out from there.
Look in our own division. The Miami Dolphins. They had a Defensive-minded, supposed "high character" guy who couldn't get the most from his talented roster and was neutering their franchise QB. They fire Flores and bring in McDaniel, an unheard of dork, and Tua sees immediate improvement and here they are in year 2 as the #1 seed in the AFC and about to take the Division from us. No major tear down and rebuild, just a quick change to a younger, modern, Offensive minded HC.
Heck with that said, if the O continues to put up 30+ every game, hand the keys to Brady and let's roll.
The new coach may or may not take us to the promise land, but we know based on MULTIPLE examples that McDermott simply can't/won't.
That's fair, put the trust in people who can identify potential candidates that fit what we are looking for.
To be fair, Flores had never shown the top end result McD has. And to add, McDaniel wasn't unheard of, just very unproven. We talk a lot about Ben Johnson, but his offense has shown to have some stinkers against top end competition. And to be fair to McD, for MOST of his tenure, he has beaten up on teams who are bad/average, and only has lost to the best of the best. Heck, even McDaniel's Miami team has been criticized with not being good against great teams. They remind me a lot of the 2019 Bills, who were good but found themselves losing to the best teams in the league.
I trust Beane to evaluate talent. I dont necessarily trust Pegula, but I can understand people wanting a change. This article doesn't do anything to sway me to a new coach, I'm in the mindset that if Sean doesn't make the playoffs, we will likely move on and bring in a new coach. But that's to performance and ONLY performance. These anecdotal stories from several years doesn't really give me any pause in who Sean is. He is what most HCs are, methodical to a fault, and self-confident to a fault.
If the Bills fire Sean, and bring in an OC, I'll be just as excited as if we keep Sean and roll into next year. I don't think that's the case for most on the board, who will be more excited with a new HC than Sean.
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46 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:
Why are those the only options? There are more talented coaches in this sport than at any time in history. And we have one of the greatest players on the planet in his prime in the most important position in sports.
We have our pick of the litter. We've never in this position before. TAKE ADVANTAGE.
I agree with taking advantage if there is the opportunity to improve the coaching position. I just struggle to identify all of the true options that are confirmed upgrades compared to Sean
27 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:I really don't think there is that big of a risk. This current team is on a course to be the best team of all time who didnt qualify for the playoffs. They blew a few games this season, mainly due to coaching, as they have in the past.
We have a quarterback uniquely gifted to a degree the league has never seen.
Pegula and Beane can interview and do background on 70 people if they want. I think I trust Beane on his judgement.
I get we can be snakebit by our past Buffalo Bills coaches... but those were un-serious searches by bad management, unwilling to spend money, and a franchise that was unattractive to coaches who had any alternative. That is not the case now. Coaches would line up for a chance to coach a Josh Allen team.
I agree that Beane is likely a good evaluator of coaching talent, and could find a good replacement. However, it just isn't 100% a guarantee. However, I am a risk-averse individual so that bias comes out in these instances
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2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:
I want none of them. The point is I'm not a football junky and knew absolutely nothing about McD when he was hired. I watch the game and have enough knowledge to decide whether he's doing a good job or not. The in game decisions are often horrible and 13 seconds & 12 men 100% inexcusable.
He was however the Bills coach and I was going to cheer him on. I quickly lost faith in him and he has done nothing to restore it.
I agree there is valid criticism for Sean in certain components of his coaching. I think he has not handled quick twitch decision making well, which may be the thing we need to be able to grow as a team.
I just struggle to see where we find any potential replacement that doesn't carry large risk associated. Unless you get someone like Bill B, who I think would bring some serious talent on the D side, but carries heavy baggage as well.
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7 minutes ago, Einstein said:
I think it’s a valid point that if there are droves of former coaches coming forward, Sean is against the norm.
but former coaches have had situations with Bill Bellicheck, with McDaniels, we’ve seen players get into it with Carroll
most coaches don’t get 6 years on one team to build that level of tenure and possibility of frustration
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3 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:
Sean's style is really more likely to get a team somewhere. The question for me is whether he has enough self awareness to improve his overall effectiveness.
Rex might screw up because he was not paying enough attention to details and could not hold his staff accountable. Sean's style requires that he be a competent, confident leader when the pressure is on and have more awareness about how his style plays within the organization. He seems to be lacking in both. He may be the George B McClellan of NFL HCs. Maybe Tyler Dunne's article might lead to some sort of self correction.
And I think this is the fairest assessment. Sean isn’t a dummy, he has laid the strongest foundation the Bills have had in 30 years. He just might not be the right guy to take us to the absolute peak
but no one here really cares about his comments from 2019, or his firing of Chad Hall. They care that the team is 6-6
im not a Sean apologist, if we brought in another coach who I think is qualified and a good fit, I’m excited. But I’m not going to sit here and say Sean is a dumb guy who deserves no respect for what he has achieved-
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3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:
Stop it, just stop it. Rex may have been a lousy coach, but his last year was pretty much the exact same as McD's first year (save the miracle playoff birth).
Rex did not have Allen. No Allen and the Bills would be lucky to be .500 with McD.
Bills were 9-7 without Allen in Sean’s first year…. You call in miracle birth, I call it maximizing what he could from a terrible roster
You’re right, let’s bring Bill B in here, win super bowls, and then we can just ignore that he is a bigger control freak than Sean
or bring in Harbaugh, who just was suspended for cheating
or bring in a guy from the Shanahan tree, who is known as one of the biggest asses in the league
they are all saints.
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Ive mentioned this before, but I have a family member who works for the Eagles organization.
Nick Sirianni is a grade A douche. Poor behavior towards assistants, throws coaches under the bus to the team, throws players under the bus, contradicts himself. But that doesn’t matter because his team is winning. The public doesn’t care that Nick is an ass to his coaches room, or is an ego driven narcissist, because his team is doing well.
Most head coaches in the NFL are #######s. But success breeds ignorance to that. These stories from 2019,2020… they don’t come up until we are 6-6. No one cares about the Chad hall stuff if we are 9-3.
thats why I chuckle at “we need to get rid of Sean now and replace him”. Replace with who? Bill B? The biggest control freak in NFL history? An unproven OC? We really want that risk during Allen’s prime years? A retread head coach?
I don’t care if Sean is a control freak, that tells me he is a normal head coach lol. He was dumb for the 2019 comments, and im sure some players didn’t like him. But the guy has finally brought some winning to Buffalo, and now we want to tear him down. It’s funny to me
8 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:Most likely does not release it if the Bills win, it's a damaging report and sounds accurate outside the remains McDermott stans
I think you’re right if the insiders in the org new about it.
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Just now, Gregg said:
I will take the guy who knows how to win with an elite level QB. 9 Super Bowl appearances with 6 Lombardi trophies.
If Bill B wanted to come to Buffalo, I wouldn’t hesitate at all with that move. Even with the questionable history of Bill laying a very specific foundation and culture for his team. There have been several players who have not liked Bill as a coach
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2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Are those really our only two options?
We can add in grade a douche Doug Marrone if you want
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I’m wondering if people would rather have players coach Rex Ryan taking us to 7-9 each year or control freak Sean Mcd with his 5 playoffs in 6 years.
I know who I’d want
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9 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:
You really think Dunne does this story listening low end people/players. I think someone high up came to him right after Philly loss, he does not do this unless he was getting information from someone high up. This is destroying his relationship with the team,
Came to him after the loss to do what, release the article? Dunne can’t have 25 interviews over the course of a week during the season to put together a 3 part article
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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:
Im going to add this in another quote just in case you already read my last post... there are other pieces in the article from former players that liked McD and talked good about him. I don't know if you were able to read those or not. I am guessing probably not. The article is not a 100% crap on McD. When I read through the article I was thinking along the way things like "well that player kinda contradicts what he was saying."
I am not trying to say that this article wasn't meant to show McD is not the right coach for the Bills. It certainly is that type of article but there are viewpoints in the article that spoke good of him too.
Much appreciated!
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2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
yea, as it turns out it was referenced in the article with mixed player feedback sooooo you can make your own decisionYes, someone mentioned that. I will make my own decision, even with the overall verbiage used by Dunne to be steered one way IMO
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2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
Cool man. I just didn't want you to keep running around saying it then everyone else think it's fact and all that jazz.
All good, appreciate the update. From what I read, Ty writes to impose a perspective, and from my initial understanding he didn’t mention any apology particulars. So obviously that was a red flag. Good to know he mentioned it as a post paragraph in the article
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3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
I'm going to quote you again and again leave the quote from the article since you twice now have completely ignored it exists, yet you want to argue "selective" while being "selective" yourself.
Woah, I was wrong. That part is not in the free version, so I don’t have visibility to that context
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13 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
“Not absorbed in the way intended” remains incredibly out of touch with how far out in left field McDermott was here.
acknowledging the apology would be good, though we clearly can’t assume it was a high quality interaction there either if you are trying to be fair.
We don’t know the entire context of the situation. Ty makes a very short statement of what happened, without any acknowledgment of apology and follow up conversation.
let the reader make the determination of character. Don’t point the reader to a conclusion, provide all evidence for them to craft their own
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13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
This is SPORTS journalism. It means absolutely nothing and its main purpose is acting as another marketing arm for whatever league they are covering.
This isnt uncovering corruption in the government, or unsafe working conditions at a corporation.
IMO, the fact he referred to 9/11 terrorists like that AT ALL is eye-opening, and tells me a lot as to what kind of speaker, motivator, and leader he is (or isnt).
Sure, it's from 4 years ago. Sure, he apologized shortly thereafter (as if that does anything in the players' eyes). But the fact his brain went there and his mouth said it is all I need to know.
No, I totally make my determinations of a person off of a two hour span and not their entire life and career too
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This is what I hate about selective journalism.
mcdermott mentioned he apologized to the team within an hour of the original comments about 9/11, and tried to paint a picture that simply didn’t come out or stick the way he wanted it to. Did the anonymous source mention this? Not per Ty’s article…. That wouldn’t fit the narrative.
if the article says “Mcdermott, while discussing teamwork and importance of communication, made an ill formed mention of 9/11 as a reference towards the importance of communication. McDermott later apologized to the team, when he found some comments were not absorbed in the way intended. It happened within a 2 hour span.”
that’s something clear, without bias, and should be how journalism is handled.
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35 minutes ago, beer can shower said:
Dude has 17 likes on his post lol
it was stupid, but we are talking about something 4 years ago…. I certainly don’t care
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11 hours ago, 90sBills said:
He played phenomenally. But it wasn’t enough. He could’ve did a little more to secure a win. Elite QBs score TDs in OT when they get the ball first in most cases. Allen is certainly elite. But he hasn’t shown the ability to do this. That’s all I’m saying.Do we have statistics to show elite QBs score TDs at a higher rate than average or is this a qualitative statement?
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2 hours ago, zow2 said:
Now that i’m older, The game usually washes off me in less than 24 hours. This one hurts a bit more because like 13 seconds, They blew the chance to win TWICE. Couldn’t get the stop at the end, or in OT. Disgraceful.
I will say, if my defense holds a team to trying a 59 yards field goal in bad conditions to tie it up at the end of regulation - I'm not too upset at them. Elliot will potentially be a hall of fame level kicker. Sometimes those guys just make plays.
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12 hours ago, buffalobillswin said:
I imagine the Bills having their pick of potential head coaches. No one is turning down coaching Allen.
Ben Johnson?
Ben Johnson was made a mockery by the Green Bay defense. I think OC wise he is great, but he is Daboll like to me.
Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion
in The Stadium Wall
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I understand why he approached the article in the way he did. I’m not preaching about Sean, and he has valid criticism. But Dunne uses terms and descriptors to point the reader towards a negative association of Sean. He does a good job being thorough, and he isn’t a hack. But it’s not boring to a point, it’s sensationalized in its descriptors in an effort to carry the reader through an article.
its JJ Reddick without the player perspective.
i guess I just don’t have a lot of care for this type of journalism. I don’t care if Sean is an ass, as long as the results show. And really, nobody cares about Chad Hall or former players opinions or the 9/11 comments if the team is winning. So when we have 70 pages of people talking about it, I guess I just don’t care for it. It doesn’t really matter. So the timing, coming off of a bye, leading to the most important game of the season, I find annoying because it takes the team away from the focus they need… winning the game.
im probably old man on this, but I now know this will become a discussion point of the Bills, and if they lose anyone can point to this as a reason, and now we
open the door to this being a major part of this teams brand moving forward