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7 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Hockey is a completely different realm because it requires the athlete to already be an incredible ice skater. Nba and NFL players are running. Give some nba and nfl players up to speed on skates and they could compete+ imo
Getting up to speed is a decade long venture. JJ Watt played hockey since he was a kid, and while he looks big and fast, he would be lost in the ECHL which is the third tier league
basketball and football are completely different realms in their own right. Basketball is about 5 players all carrying similar abilities in different facets to put a ball in a hoop. Football is 11 players specializing heavily in skill sets or facets to effectively succeed in their micro role on a play against a macro strategy
10 minutes ago, wppete said:I think he can. What laughable is they still have listed at his Combine weight 238 lbs. he is more like 250 - 255 lbs. he’d be a good power forward Defender off the bench.
He would be wayyyy too small for PF
maybe he can be a SG or PG with a very specific skill set.
the NBA requires a longer learning period for a football player to move to as opposed to an NBA players learning to be a gunner or vertical TE
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Allen couldn’t step in right now and be anything close to an NBA player. If you gave him 3 years of coaching and practice every day maybe he can not be a total fool for 5 minutes.
allen has something going for him, he is incredibly smart, with quick reactions and very athletic. Maybe he could play a hybrid point guard role as a distributor.
however, rivers is insufferable with his mountain top shouting about this. If the NBA had rosters of 53 plus a highly specialized role that players could map to (like the fact that college basketball players turned football players have all been TEs because that position has the biggest athletic advantage over his defensive counterpart) there would absolutely be NFL players coming over.
Regardless, neither sport has a player that will ever come play hockey, so maybe PK Subban can stand on an even higher mountain than rivers to make everyone else feel lesser…
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With his height/weight, the only positional options would be DE/FB
Maybe a practice squad player
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MVS is a bulls alum, and as a fellow alum I always enjoyed watching him play. He isn't top tier by any means, but if he comes in as a #4 that can push the boundary, there's nothing wrong with that.
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2 minutes ago, appoo said:
he's there to compete for the back end of the rotation
Locks: (3) Samuel, Shakir, Coleman
Likely (1) : Justin Shorter
Intermediate to deep Guy Competition (1) : MVS, Chase Claypool, Tyrell Shavers, Mack Hollins
Speed/ST Guy (6) : KJ Hamler, Andy Isabella
Shorter is by no means likely. Hollins is likely compared to Shorter
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15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I'd want to see one more source on this but those details are insane if true.
Trash human is trash.
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I suspect he will get between 6-12 games, dependent on details that come out over the next month or two. I dont think the NFL will rush to a decision on it. 6-9 games for the initial incident, and 3-6 games for the second incident dependent on details that come forward
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From the embedded video it sounded like Beane really thinks this guy can be a long term center option
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Elam gets another year with a new DB coach to show me what he can do. We have team control on his deal, and if he develops it's a big plus. I'm not convinced that Burks is a better option that Claypool right now. He is 24 and has shown very little. Elam has been boom bust, but at least you can say he has made plays at times. You need to see if he can harness that potential and make him more consistent.
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There is no down and distance where I go "Josh CAN'T get us out of this". That is an incredible feeling as a fan. Most QBs on 3rd and 13 or at their own 20 with 50 seconds left you feel little hope. With Josh, you almost get excited for those opportunities in a sick way to see what he can do.
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27 minutes ago, Logic said:
DJ Chark signs with the Chargers.
Tyler Boyd signs with a team that already employs Calvin Ridley and DeAndre Hopkins.
Odell Beckham Jr signs with a team that already employs Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, Braxton Berrios, and just drafted Malik Washington.
The Bills sign...Chase Claypool and Quintez Cephus.
I'm sure I'll get a few thumbs down and eyeroll emojis for pointing out the wildly uninspiring way in which the Bills are approaching the wide receiver position. Whatever. Pour me a ***** shot.
Chargers lost Allen and Williams
Tyler Boyd is a good get, but is aging quickly
Berrios is quite uninspiring and Malik Washington is a question mark
Bills DRAFTED Keon Coleman, and signed Claypool and Cephus
It may not be sexy, but I have no issues with the Bills taking a chance on two redemption projects to potential bring some impact.
If Allen can motivate these guys in the right way, we could see a really consistent WR room. Maybe not high end, but consistent.
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1 hour ago, Einstein said:
So you’re saying they made smart moves. Im not sure how this refutes my point.
Huh? Burrow is not on a rookie deal.
His contract is larger than Allen’s.
Burrow was on a rookie deal until recently, and all success Burrow had against the Bills (and achievements) are while he was on his deal. So they could disperse funds towards other positions while he was on that deal.
Chase is on his fifth year
Higgins just now is on the Franchise tag.
Your point (if I'm not mistaken) was the Bengals have been able to be more successful than the Bills and have cap space right now, I'd simply point out the situations have been entirely different. The Bills were never as bad as the Bengals were, and have not had the luxury of two top 6 picks (being at two vital positions) on rookie deals for 5 years as a way to fill out the roster with available funds. Not to mention, the first year Beane came to the team he had to clear a load of dead cap, which limited the way he could turn the team around in 2018/2019.
You are right, Burrow is no longer on his deal. However, Chase (a top 10 WR in the game) is $9M this year. Burrow's actual hit is $29M. Higgins even on the tag is $21. They have been able to hold core pieces for small amounts of money, and this year is their first real year of cap impact. That $23M will not be so high next year, unless they offload talent (like the Bills did).
Regarding the Chiefs comments - The Chiefs are the best team in the league over the past 5 years. The Bills have been a top 5 team over the past 4 years. The Bills are like the Chiefs - they have a core piece (Allen/Mahomes) and they have other core talent locked down (Kelce/Milano/Jones/Miller/Etc.). The main difference is the Chiefs dealt Hill instead of giving him an extension, where as the Bills gave Diggs an extension and now have moved him. That's a $30M sway (and accounts for the cap you discuss the Chiefs having). It's one move. I don't hold this organization to the fire over one move. They are fixing the problem it caused, but they aren't dumb in aggregate. The Chiefs have made smart moves - the Bills have made smart moves. The Chiefs made a smart move one more time than the Bills did. And even then, it didn't look like a smart move until the Chiefs won it all this year.
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50 minutes ago, Einstein said:
We do have an elite QB, but he is only accounting for 8.5% of the teams cap.
And he accounted for less than 5% the past two seasons when we were also having cap struggles.
As an example of why this excuse holds no water, the Chiefs have an elite QB as well. And have won 3 of the last 5 Super Bowls. Yet they still have over 20 million of cap space.
Another example: The Bengals also have an elite QB. And we’re in the Super Bowl 2 years ago. And have beaten us twice in a row, including one of those times in the playoffs. They have $23 million in cap space.
The chiefs traded Hill to get away from a cap bind. The chiefs have moved players out, but have been flexible with that cap situation via great drafting and cheap FAs. The bills are emulating that to a degree.
the bengals were worse than the Bills had been for the past decade in 2019-20 when they picked first overall and 5th for chase and burrow. They are losing Higgins and Hendrickson within the year, and they have benefitted from having those talents on rookie deals.
in fact, you made your own counterpoint in your post. The Bengals have an elite QB on a rookie deal, which gives them flexibility. They have had two elite WRs on rookie deals, which have given them flexibility. The Bills have had Allen’s deal active for a few seasons now, and paid Diggs as a true #1. So I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here.
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1 hour ago, MarlinTheMagician said:
I am sure most of you know he also ran the second fastest time in the "Gauntlet" at the combine, which many say simulates game speed better than the 40-yard dash. They are supposed to run it straight across the yardline. Many can't. Coleman's straight as an arrow, and his receiving form looks A+ to me. The video is worth a 10 second watch.
The overhead of that video potentially showed a reason why Franklin dropped to the 4th round. He was zig zagging all over the place
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10 hours ago, Dr. Who said:
Yes, let's use the abysmal performance of the WR room the second half of last year as the low bar threshold by which to measure what will be considered acceptable performance or not this year. The offense struggled. Maybe it won't with Brady and the new players, but I'm not all that confident about it. Kincaid is going to have to be the main target, I think, so I hope he has a leap and not a sophomore slump year.
The Bills offense was top 5 at the end of the year, and was so via flexibility of the scheme week to week. The team didnt need to funnel Diggs 15 targets a game to be successful. Brady used the run game, Kincaid, Shakir and it was a better offense than the first half of the year.
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I have a feeling they will go WR in the third. Guys will continue to drop
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He is Gabe Davis with hands. If he has those traits, the Bills will make him successful
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13 minutes ago, Billl said:
He was going to run on stage to hug Goodell, but it was 40 yards away, and they didn’t have enough time.
Worthy sprinted to the stage, and the light breeze in Detroit picked him up and he was never heard of again
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If worthy makes such an impact, he isn’t the pick at 28, he is going top 10. Frankly the guy can run fast at the combine. I don’t see the separation on film, I don’t see plus hands. They will scheme him all over the field I’m sure, but worthy was not a top 40 prospect in this draft for me.
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1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Agree on Worthy. However it's amazing how the laundry one wears can change my perception on a player. Had the Bills picked him he would be the best pick ever and a non violent version of Tyreek. But the Chiefs picked him so I believe he's going to be a Mecole Hardman/Marquise Goodwin hybrid.😂
Or, people have been consistent that they are not a huge Fan of Worthy…. But posters sensationalize for the sake of making a point
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Just now, Roundybout said:
I didn’t realize how a lot of Worthy’s advanced stats were complete asscheeks. Still hate to loose sheer raw talent like that thoughI wouldn’t be shocked if worthy is listed as “first round disappointments” a year later. He screams gadget to start and then finding out if he can develop further
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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:
Putting that guy in Andy Reid’s offense is a nightmare. Reid will get him the ball in space. The Bills could certainly trade down. They couldn’t give the Chiefs elite skill players to deal with. Not a good day for the Bills. I’m hoping tomorrow is 2 picks and a vet WR. We will see
Sky Moore was the speed guy taken two years ago who is awful
kadarius toney was picked up to be the speedy first round grade receiver to be a stud
ross was brought in to see if his speed could amount to somethjng in the tail end of his career
the chiefs have struck out on receivers just as often as they have hit. Hill was and is an amazing player. If they have fooled everyone and found a guy of tbat talent again? Credit to them
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1 minute ago, Billselda said:
Passing up on Xavier Legette will hurt for years. Ladd McConkey is not that guy.
I’ll just say this,
I was more impressed with McConkey running with the ball in his hands than Worthy when I watched them
mcConkey also looks like the more natural catcher
worthy has more experience with the route tree and Is is fast in a straight line
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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
He is nowhere near Worthy as a player. Worthy runs the route tree. I feel like I don’t need to get this far in the weeds because the comparison is lazy. Worthy is a good route runner with explosive playmaking. He is a great WR. John Ross ran a fast 40. They aren’t that close.
I’ve watched the tape on Worthy, I’m not impressed.
i think he has value as a gadget guy and if Mahomes and him gain chemistry, he can be effective
i didnt have a top 40 grade on him
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Josh thinks he can come off the bench in the NBA
in The Stadium Wall
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Watching Luka pass is the thing that carries him closest to Allen. Allen has the coordination with a ball in his hands to be precise.
allen was a plus high school basketball player, who then went through a growth spurt and is now a 6’5 beast of a precision athlete.
I think he could step onto a low end D1 team and probably be able to not look terrible. Maybe after a year or two of training he could be on the bench of a top D1 program. It would be a whole different level for NBA however.