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50 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
I know he’s just getting used to the NFL but I always thought this talk of Caleb being this once in 5 year kinda talent was little off. Everytime I saw him go against a defense with a pulse in college he struggled. Hopefully that isn’t the case for the Bears sake.
It's like.....rookie minicamp and what, 3 OTA practices for the guy? This is just silly. He really hasn't even HAD a start yet.
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Exactly, they tried to make him a WR when he was a gadget player. He is fine as a WR4/5 gadget guy, he is terrible as a top 3 WR on a depth chart where you need to rely on him to try and get consistent production and move chains.
He developed enough ability to run routes while with the Bills to not be an automatic "tell" for "here comes that jet sweep" and to fill in pretty well as a backup slot receiver, but it was one of the roster judgement errors of 2022 to believe that McKenzie could become a full time slot (and that Davis could take over as a full time "X" from Brown/Sanders). Although, to do Beane justice, they started the season with Crowder and platooned him at slot with McKenzie until Crowder broke his leg. So it was likely not their intent to count in McKenzie as the full time slot.
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3 hours ago, amprov56 said:
Was he ever at voluntary OTAs for the Bills?
He got a lot of PR for the 2020 "no OTAs 'cuz Covid" off season
We know he wasn't there for the 2022 or 2023 OTAs until mandatory minicamp, In 2023 he was at Fashion Week and Coachella
I don't remember 2021
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16 hours ago, NewEra said:
I think his time on the couch next to Kumerow is coming soon. Maybe in 2025.
Oh for sure. He's 29 years old, his calling cards have been speed, quickness and availability. At 29, Father Time is gonna catch up to him Real Soon Now. He got out-played by Colts rookie Josh Downs last season (Downs is looking like a potential steal of a 3rd round pick). It actually wouldn't surprise me if McKenzie didn't make the Giants final 53, but I haven't been following the Giants roster enough to know what the competition is
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8 hours ago, NewEra said:
I didn’t say the only reason he’s on the team is because they like him as a person.
That is true. You mentioned a couple guys on the couch and then said "Mckenzie likely has a job because Schoen and Daboll like him as a person"
I interpreted that as indicating he had the job because they like him as a person, not because he brings a relatively hard to find skill set with his speed/quickness, that Daboll believes he can exploit8 hours ago, NewEra said:They obviously like his speed, it’s the only thing he brings to the table on the football field. I should’ve been more detailed in my explanation.
It's not just speed, it's his combination of speed and quickness - some guys are fast running in a straight line. I dunno that it's the only thing he brings, but it's certainly the factor that keeps him employed going into his 8th season.
8 hours ago, NewEra said:if they didn’t like him as a person, he wouldn’t be on the team. He was suspended for the season for conduct detrimental to a team. If they didn’t like him as a person. I don’t see why a coach/GM would sign a player that was a poor punt returner while also getting the 🥾 if they didn’t like the guy in the locker room, why would they risk bringing him in? Because they know and like him…..and he’s fast. If he was just fast….he wouldn’t have been signed imo.
Yes, I'm sure having previously coached a player gives confidence in signing a guy who has been in a spot of trouble, but I don't think it's the primary reason he got the gig.
Speed and quickness in a guy who has shown he can actually play football at WR and on ST is valuable enough on its own to keep earning chances. Look at the way Andy Isabella, who has 33 receptions for 447 yards in SIX NFL SEASONS, keeps getting signed. McKenzie has his limitations, but he put up more receptions and yards in just 2022. We like to dunk on him here, and that's fine, but I don't agree he's getting signed because Daboll likes him. If Daboll liked him just as much but he'd lost his speed he'd be nudging Kumerow to move over on the couch.
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10 hours ago, T master said:
I'm also interested in his team mate Richard Gouraige (if he is still on the team If not my bad) Beane has a way with finding good linemen, in the past if they are put on the PS they don't last long other teams come and get them like they have in past years .
He is still on the team at this point.
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7 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
Those videos of course don't show any drops by Coleman, but it's pretty clear the guy is a hands catcher. Catches it like Kincaid.
Not quite - not as smooth and effortless for the ordinary receptions. But still, very clean at the catch point. All of them.
That's probably important. McKenzie on his podcasts with Dunne talked about it hurting to catch throws from Allen. McKenzie was a notorious and persistent body-catcher. Diggs once made the comment that Josh's throws don't hurt to catch "if you catch them right".
Gabe Davis also had a non-standard way of catching balls outside his frame, which I don't think served him well at times.
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6 hours ago, NewEra said:
Yeah, I thought he was a clear upgrade over mckenzie. I was wrong about him AND Harty. As a man, I can admit it when I’m wrong. Unlike others, who have apparently never been wrong.
Sherfield brought more to the table as at least he was an asset in the run game. He was an upgrade over mckenzie.
Harty clearly lost a step and didn’t have the explosiveness I remembered from NO. He signed another contract.
Kumerow is on the couch like Chad Kelly and Mckenzie likely has a job because Schoen and Daboll like him as a person.
I may have gone overboard with how much better Sherfield and Harty were compared to lil dummy and Kumerow, but they are better.
speaking of Scott- where you at my guy? Homie changed his username or leave the board?
I can sign up for my Crow Plate Special too. I don't see Sherfield as being at all the same type player as McKenzie or being asked to fill the same role. But I thought Harty would be an upgrade on what McKenzie was good at - quick slants and gadget plays, getting open against man - while also being able to run a fuller route tree. I was wrong, and I agree with you that Harty appeared to have lost the speed and quickness he showed in 2021 in NO.
I disagree that Schoen and Daboll signed McKenzie because "they like him as a person". This is Daboll's 3rd season in NYC. He's definitely sitting in a hot skillet unless they win. Same for Schoen who is charged with getting Daboll the goods, and who made decisions like "pay Danny Dimes the Big Bucks". It would be stupid to sign a player just because they like him. Daboll used McKenzie very very effectively in 2020 and 2021. I suspect Schoen and scouts watched the tape to ask "is he still fast?" "Yep" and they decided he could help the team win, if used as he was in B'lo. He also returned punts and kicks for the Ponies last season, so there's that.
As far as Sherfield, I think his role was to replace Kumerow on ST but be a better WR. And he was - marginally, but not by as big a margin as I thought so I will take my slice o' Crow Pie. -
3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:
They get paid more than centers now.. it's tougher to play guard in the modern NFL than center
They physically take on more one-on-one blocks... Center gets more combination blocks and there are very few physically imposing zero techs who play that technique every snap
Guards take on dominant three techniques one-on-one
Agreed
So it's understood that once a team is paying its QB the "Big Bucks", they only have cap space to pay 5-6 top players. My understanding was that it was usually QB, WR, LT, DE or LB (depending on defense), CB, DT. Sometimes a C has shown up there, sometimes RT instead of LT.
So I was pretty surprised to poke around and learn that a couple of the top teams that are paying a QB (Dallas, KC, Rams ) are paying top cap % to a G. The Rams are paying 2 G
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3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Torrence was the guy I wanted before last draft. I was delighted he fell to us in the second round.
For a rookie, he looked really good. And I think having a solid RG helped Spencer Brown as the season went on and communication between the two got better. They were beaten on stunts a fair amount, especially early on in the season.
I think more reps with Brown will make them pretty solid for this year.
Agree about O'Cyrus and that having him solidify RG did help Brown a lot
I'm a bit concerned about Brown after learning that he had shoulder surgery in the off-season. I just hope the rehab won't interfere with him conditioning and strength training for the season.
Also concerned about the David Edwards/Conner McGovern plan at LG and C, but the Bills DO have a couple potential alternatives at C on the roster
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3 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:
I didn't see Samuel there at all. Was it reported that he didn't participate?
Samuel makes a catch right at the start of the video, about 28-29 seconds in. He is wearing #1.
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7 hours ago, Warcodered said:
The WR forest grew this year.
Indeed it did. "Abandon Smurfs" appears to be Beane's new WR scouting model.
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3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Hopkins is a wear his thoughts on his sleeve type of guy. He's uncharacteristically honest. Marches to the beat of his own drum. He didn't say anything everyone else hasn't already thought or is thinking after watching Burks the past couple seasons. Just wild to hear him say it. Maybe he's trying to light a fire under the kid?
In full context where the next thing he does is praise Burks athleticism and say he's looking forward to seeing what he does this year, "Nein" sounds like "Are you sleeping on Burks?" "No, we are not sleeping on him, we're looking forward to seeing what he can do"
Kind of weird way of putting it but Hopkins is a different kind of cat
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31 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said:
My goodness, KJ Hamler and Andy Isabella look like midgets out there.
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2 hours ago, HappyDays said:
Rapp is going to seriously injure one of his own teammates these days. What an idiot.
This. McDermott needs to have a "come to Jesus" meeting with him pronto.
If he demurs, Brady needs to have a chat with McDermott. This is NOT OK - "friendly fire" isn't.
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4 hours ago, Doc said:
Yup. There was a lot of talk like this 6 years ago, also about the Bills' first draft pick.
Oh Hell to the Noes, it was way way way worse.
Of course, the Bills had used a top-10 1st round pick not a top of the 2nd round pick, and on a QB not a WR
Their draft choice was higher profile and very polarizing - had pundits saying stuff like he was a "joke of a 1st round draft pick" and that if he succeeded as a QB it would overturn the "history of math itself" or stuff to that effect.
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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
Somewhat of a long read but worth your time.
One nugget that I found interesting:
There's a much publicized quote from Beane after the draft where he said something to the effect of "it will be hard for Coleman to start from day one." This is the messaging the team always puts out there for their rookies to hear. But he let slip their real plans in the chaos of draft weekend - Coleman is going to be the early favorite for the starting X receiver. And based on this article I think he's going to quickly earn the trust of the coaching staff and win that role.
I can really see why the Bills liked him from some of the stuff in that article - the bit about him scheduling throwing sessions at midnight on visits to LSU and FSU, and "Coleman is such a film junkie that he'd figured out a large portion of FSU's playbook before actually seeing it."
One little false note: "That'll all require rapport, and they're already planning to work out this offseason at Allen's place in Wyoming. " Not that he couldn't, with what he earns, but as far as I know Josh does not have a place in Wyoming.
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18 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:
There’s a difference between ADHD and CTE.
Whatever laugh at him and feel better about yourselves. Every last one of you will hide under a rock and pretend like you didn’t laugh after it comes out how damaged his brain was.
Very proud of your Armchair Diagnostician Certificate, aintcha? Bet you have it framed and mounted on your wall.
AB has a history of erratic behavior that stretches back before college - he was expelled from FIU before he played a snap for them. He had trouble at Central Michigan showing up for meetings and practices. It seems as though numerous people at different times of his life tried to take him under their wing and help him starting with his WR coach in college and his wife and ending with Tom Brady.
He may have a mental illness, he may have a medical condition that affected his brain starting in childhood and kept him from ever really learning to adult, he may have CTE. And, drug use and alcohol may well have played a role. Sitting in a chair hundreds or thousands of miles away and never having examined or tested or treated the guy, you can't possibly know what the root cause of his problems and behavior is.
We do know there are plenty of guys who have taken as many hits as AB ever did or more who are far more functional.
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On 5/6/2024 at 11:29 AM, Bruffalo said:
Does it make Bills fans feel worse about the Coleman pick knowing that the Team that highly drafted N'Keal Harry and Tyquan Thorton wanted him?
Should it? The de-facto GM who drafted N'Keal Harry and Tyquan Thorton is gone
On the other hand, Eliot Wolf, the current de-facto GM, was in NE as a consultant, then as Director of Scouting - unclear to me whether he was promoted before or after the draft. So there is that.
4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:Watched football for over 30 years now, and I've found the teams with great quarterbacks seem to do just fine. I am not sure the Chiefs had a true #1 wideout last year and they won a championship.
#1 Wideout, No.
#1 Receiver, Yes
We have guys with potential, but they have to prove it.
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51 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
It’s weird but fast doesn’t really mean deep threat. Some players just have a unique ability to get behind the defense. Some players have that skill and are also fast. MVS has both, he just can’t catch consistently.
Exactly. If he had all three abilities, chances are we wouldn't have just signed him for a modest contract with a bunch of incentives
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52 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:
Are they still called tweets, even though the idiot owner changed the company name to X? Figured he’d change that too.Well, he can try, but it's the same principle where it took years to get people to stop calling photocopy machines "xerox"
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On 5/19/2024 at 1:17 PM, Rocky Landing said:
I get that he's been reliable in the post season, and that's not nothing, but what skill set does he have that is unique to the other 6'4" WRs on the roster?
Speed. 4.37 second 40 time. In theory makes him more able to be a deep threat.
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On 5/17/2024 at 11:08 PM, NeverOutNick said:
You’re on point. He also really tagged Hollins as well. I’m not the biggest Hollins supporter but Beane definitely loves him some Hollins and MVS. Hope it’s a fair and even competition for all 3 remaining spots but definitely sounds like Hollins and MVS have a leg up.
I’m a huge Shakir guy and think he’ll be our best WR this year along with Kincaid in the middle so it was nice to hear Beane give him some love.
That really was a good interview. And like others said before I’m glad Chop Robinson was gone because McD would’ve been all in Beanes pocket to get him at 28 lol. He did mention Latu though. That’s the only DE I would’ve been on board with taking at 28. He’s a freak.
Lastly I really am excited to see how Brady operates his offense with a full offseason under his belt
Yeah, I left that part out. Long asked Beane who is the most under-rated player on the Bills, and he named Taron Johnson on Defense and Khalil Shakir on Offense. Definitely some major Shakir Love going down.
I don't think Hollins is competing with MVS for a spot. IIRC, Beane mentioned special teams and all the leaders we lost on ST this year, and referred to Hollins as a "glue guy". I think in the past the "glue guys" have been the players who aren't the most talented, but who help keep the team energized and working together, and who grind in whatever role is needed.
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3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:
Ok, I'll play.....
Of the people who fully supported the actions of Capernik and his right to free speech, how many of these folks are now butt hurt by the remarks of this other football player? I suspect almost all of them but that doesn't seem to bother you. It appears that you are only offended by those who do not adhere to your own specific credo which is imposing and unreasonable.
You lose.
But it's not the question of who is "butt hurt" or offended that's relevant, just as it wasn't the question of who was "butt hurt" or offended that's relevant. Both have the right to speak their minds. Both don't have the right to expect freedom from consequences to accompany their freedom of speech.Kaepernick provided enough credible evidence that he'd been blackballed due to his protests to obtain a settlement from the NFL. I don't expect Butker to suffer any actual consequences.
But the issue is the same for both: both have the right to freedom of speech, and in both cases people can support free speech AND object to what they said.
But I don't expect you to see that.
I do expect you to not put words in my mouth or imagine you know what does or does not offend me. (I don't think you understand it, but you do know it's imposing and unreasonable)
3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:I think that folks are allowed to have opinions and speak their minds, even if you morally object or even just plain disagree. This is why I don't care what this place kicker says as an invited guest of a religious school. I think that many who are not so demanding, self rightous, and dictatorial might agree.
Wait.....you? Dictatorial? Brings back memories. 😯😂
I wondered how long it would be before we'd get to the gratuitous personal insults. You don't disappoint. Well, actually, you do, but you don't surprise.
5 hours ago, boyst said:I support his right to free speech at work but not his protesting for results unfavorable to himself. I work for a German company, so I walk in there every day and point at the scoreboard? No, I'm not a moron... Wait... Well I'm not that stupid ...how about that....
OK I don't understand the point you're making here - in fact, I couldn't parse it at all. But that's OK.
Stefan Diggs Skips OTA Texans
in The Stadium Wall
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Diggs first year here was 2020, there were no OTAs though the WR and Josh did arrange a throwing session in FL that got videoed and photographed and shared a lot, to showcase "see, I'm a good teammate!".
I don't remember 2021
2022 and 2023, definitely not here.
Anyway I'm surprised Diggs isn't more "see, I'm a good teammate!" and showing up for OTAs on his new team.
The post you're responding to said "get to know more" not "meet" and "develop chemistry with Stroud" not "shoot a video of practicing with"