First Round Bust
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baseball ? he could use as negotiion ploy - as a top pick or near, he commands a bonus of 5-6-7 million tops, and then a minor leager salary until he makes the majors which unless he is major leaue ready - less than 1% chance -so really unless he wants to play baseball this a threat and nothing more...
trades ? teams that need a qb and have multiple first rounders and or a quality-decent qb coming back are plentiful...Wilson, Tua, Watson, Phll, NYG, maybe he wants to go to Pitts or TB, NO,
great off-season fodder
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seems to be a matter of when, post-June makes a lot of sense; more cap money saved, so he has to attend OTAs and training camp during which time we get to see things such as:
1. is he motivated and worth keeping, depth, inuries, etc - likely not and hopefully not
2. can he tutor-mentor a younger replacement - draft pick, UDFA, etc
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it means the end of another fun and interesting season is upon us..sigh...I always refer to the Pro Bowl as the the NFL season funeral....
but we can look forward to free agency next month, excessive mock drafts (the draft cant come soon enough)...the playoffs keep getting better due in part to the salary cap and the parity it creates in a macro-sense...so its hard to go from that intensity to.....
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With the Senior Bowl (yesterday) East-West Shrine (last week) games and more importantly practices going on recently Bills scouts are active...a limited extract from todays BN about Bills scouts, dirs, etc...experienced, local and national, a little insight into the process...
quick name a scout, they have been with us for years...thankfully...
Terrance Gray was hired by General Manager Brandon Beane in May 2017 as director of college scouting after spending the previous 11 years in the Vikings organization. At the same time, Lake Dawson was hired from Cleveland to be assistant director of college scouting. Dawson had 22 years of NFL experience before joining the Bills. Gray was promoted last May and still oversees all of college scouting.
The Bills have five area college scouts. Pete Harris scouts the Northeast, Mike Szabo the Southeast, Brian Fisher the Midwest, A.J. Highsmith the Southwest and Tyler Pratt the West Coast. Keith Jennings is the Bills scout for BLESTO, the 12-team national scouting service.
Dennis Hickey is a national scout who came to the Bills in 2017 after serving as general manager of the Dolphins. Doug Majeski, who joined the Bills’ scouting staff full time in 1989, is a senior college scout who mostly handles a select number of schools in the Northeast and on the West Coast.
Gray says having such a veteran group has helped navigate the scouting challenges the past couple of years.
“I was an area scout before I took the director of college scouting when I came here in 2017,” Gray said. “Anyone who knows the actual day to day of scouting, you’ve got to be a self-starter, you’ve got to be motivated, you’re really working independently. To have guys with that amount of experience is a great benefit.
“Dennis Hickey is a former GM,” Gray said. “Lake was a vice president. Szabo could be a director. Brian Fisher’s experienced. Doug Majeski is a former director. It makes my job a lot easier. But beyond that, it’s great to be able to bounce ideas off guys – little check points in our process. I always tell our guys if you see something you think we can do better or that I may have missed along the way, let me know. ... Whether it’s coverage of schools, how many looks we get on a kid, the small school process, there’s so many layers to what we do. Having that degree of experience in our room is beneficial.”
The Bills divide all the college prospects into tiers over the summer.
Tier 1 prospects get at least two looks per area scout, at least one look per national scout, and the Bills’ top personnel executives (Beane, Gray, etc.) check them out.
Tier II prospects, who might have peaked at the college level, are seen by at least one area scout and one national scout.
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he did, in-house ,Tom Bresnahan, but using K-gun hurry-up set Kelly called the plays as mentioned.
https://pro-football-history.com/franchpos/7/7/buffalo-bills-offensive-coordinator-history - seems the position was invented in 1978 or was recorded as of then...
Had the opportunity to watch a cliub Marv training camp practive at Fredonia State, lived down the slow pace, esp the position drills, picked-up with O versus D but by then the wife and kid were long for the car and the drive to Ohio...
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9 hours ago, Mango said:
I think that might be low. When Tre went out I thought Poyer was the second best player on team.
I am high on Diggs but I think our depth chart goes:
1. Allen
2. A country mile…
3 a/b. Tre/Poyer- I think the difference between the two is razor thin.
5. Diggs- I am high on Diggs. Not a knock. It’s a credit to the two guys above him more than anything.
Poyer helps in the run a lot. He covers for Edmunds/Milano quite a bit.tenth in the entire NFL, not just on the Bills
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no pro football weekend so as community service to keeping you depressed barnyard animals fed here is a limited extract of non-QBs MVPs from espn+, pay service, its cheap, a lot of Sabres games which is good for us out-of-WNY-market folks, plus other NHL games (nice alt to centre ice) plus MLB games and whole lot of various college sports, not an endorsement, but I likey and here is one reason why...
non QB MVPs
Poyer came in at #10 (Donald and Kupp were 2 and 1 then TJ, Deebo, Micah P next)
No. 1 in EPA per play and No. 1 -- easily -- in EPA per dropback. Biils D allowed just 12 passing touchdowns all year, less than half the number the average team allowed. And the Bills did it without a ton of superstars, plus Tre'Davious White was out for the last third of the season. How?
One part of the equation was excellent safety play. While nearest defender information isn't perfect because it doesn't necessarily capture a defensive back's responsibility on a play, it's hard not to notice Poyer as an outlier.
Opponents lost 30 total EPA (including five interceptions) when Poyer was the nearest defender to the target at the time of ball arrival, per NFL Next Gen Stats. That is the best of all players who played deep safety at least 60% of the time. His yards per coverage snap allowed was just 0.3, second-best in the same group and fueled by a minus-17% completion rate over expectation (negative is better), also second-best.
It is a little bit of a leap of faith to have Poyer here instead of bigger names like Myles Garrett or Nick Bosa, particularly given we don't have as advanced safety metrics as we do for pass-rushers. But in what metrics we do have for safeties, Poyer was elite. In order for the Buffalo defense to produce like it did, it needed exceptional play from some of its players.....
....being gashed by the run game over-rates the passing stats to a certain degree
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makes me wonder is this primarily Dorsey's hire as the OC or McDs as the HC..I am certain as part of the interviewing process for the OC position that the staff the OC expected to have or want came up ?
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exciting hire for sure - the collaborationn of Dorsey-Brady-Josh-Webb and new OL coach (TBD) is energizing - in the worst case if Dorsey here only 1 year then Brady rises to OC a nice succession plan....not expecting anything on the D-side of the balll unless Frazier gets hired (Mia, Hou, Minn)...he interviewed with Mia at least once and Hou last year - not sure about this year ? he coached Minn already doubtful he goes back there...
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he gets to pick his new qb coach, as the current asst qb coach is a Daboll disciple who came with him from Alabama (but is giving up coaching a star for who knows), as well as new O-line coach which very well may be an in-house promotion as well
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yes, the future is now, but we got cap issues, and we got 9 draft picks, last year we cut and lost 2 picks from the PS (Anderson, Wildgoose) so 9 arent going to make it.
so, I trade up from pick 25 up to pick Jordan Davis, NT from UGA 6-6-340 - this could cost us a #2 or #3 depending on how far he drops - the #2 gets up 10 spots..
we need size as I expect Star to be cut to save 4M.
This is a deep corner draft, so then I would trade to get back into the second round or move up in the second round by trading our second round pick next year.
This gets us DT depth (resign Harry and Zimmer, plus Oliver) and gives us quality corner depth so we dont have to keep Levi W if he gets paid which he very well may.
We dont need tackles, other than depth so the middle-late rounds, where we have 2 picks in rounds 6 and 7, is where I would get RB, WR speed and guards.
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14 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:
Why is it OK to have a racial disparity in players but not coaches?
because the process of player selection (free agency, draft, waiver cuts and picks and the biggest chubby..a..trade) is color-blind; its transparent, its watching college games and wishing the Bills could draft THAT guy, the senior bowl where Beane and company are or will be, the combine, then the mock drafts, the draft itself (a non-football event that every NFL city wishes it coulkd host) and we ultimately expect the best to be selected. we argue need over talent or vice versa and whether or not its wise to draft a guard early or a punter at all....none based on color or the need to
cuz
Its based on workouts, physcal and mental testing, stats, metrics and analytics, comparison, scouting, hours of tape review, interviews, ranking all and by position and need, and at the end it based on talent and skill and not the color of the players skin which in the end is great thing...and unfortuantely the hiring process for coaches and coordinators cannot say the same
I applaud those who try because its hard, they are trying to change things amognst the powerful and rich for the better and when you do that you get unfairly criticzed by those who are ignorant and insecure.
Its easy to look to our left and to the right and find fault, try looking up, for those are ones saying look to your left and right....
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1 hour ago, Mat68 said:
How would the defense know what he is doing?? Overall, imo Buffalo didnt have anyone they trusted to play up on Hill or Kelce. I said it before I will say it now. This was the game not having White costed them. White defenses that play and is in position where Mahomes looks to the otherside.
Mahomes mentioned that Kelce analyzed the D and to look for him, at LOS during cadence Mahomes yelled "Do it Kels do it" ?
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appeciate the insight of a respected insider, ok so the kick-off may or may not have been flawed but a high kick to the 5 or 10 should have been the play over the touchback and no time runoff ?
the D took away the long ball and the sideline but gave the middle seam
further suggestions:
1. 2 or 3 man rush not 4
2. one defensive hold esp on first down should have been ordered to run more time
3 the use of timeouts on D is zero benefit as the O see the D as well as was the case with Kelce telling Mahomes his analysis during the timeout, plus Mahomes yelled for Kecle "Do It Kelce do it !" and the D did not pick up on that ???
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29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
How many teams have replaced their GM with their AGM? Seems like when the GM gets canned, everyone goes.
agree you dont see the assistant retained when the GM gets axed they seem to turn to external hires, Giants for example hired a vet GM who was near retirement age to being with 3-4 years ago, you would think they would have hired an heir apparent to do a knowledge transfer or get mentored, but not the case and how far does the housecleaning go as far as scouts and staff ?
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as part of the process of hiring a coord, each team must interview external candidate(s) so the rumors of Dorsey to Jersey Jiants are likely true to that extent, in addition to Dorsey I fear that our DL coach - Washington, who is former DC at Carolina (he replaced McD I believe) could be a candidate to become a DC again somewhere as I fear he would be our replacement for Frazier IMHO.
I would expect someone like Gaine to become our AGM, he was with Beane before and now after his stint as GM of the Texans....any quality org has a business continuity or succession plan for its management team...
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2 hours ago, whorlnut said:
Then this raises another concern…do we have a GM and HC that don’t have an eye for defensive talent? I mean, all the resources that have been dumped into the defense and it’s still “not enough”? That’s a major red flag. Do you really want them or trust them to draft the right defensive player?
Yes…Beasley is back for one more year, but now would be the perfect time to draft his replacement. If we
could add a slot with speed, could you imagine the possibilities? Right now, we have a guy that makes the catch and falls forward. We can improve that position.
if the GM and HC have a blind spot it is for former free agent Carolina players they know and who in turn know the defense, Star and Butler are misses, Obada was a freebie pickup, the hit and miss with the draft picks is a given with every team, I think the Carolina thing has run its course hopefully...this management team drafts well overall with lots of mid and late round hits and some early round misses such as Zay Jones and Cody Ford who will get one more shot come training camp...this is the year AJ (a second-rounder) has to step-up and show he can play well more consistently..some of which is based on reps which he was not given and or not earned
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26 minutes ago, whorlnut said:
So you are another advocate of ignoring offense until the mid to late rounds? If so, I don’t know what to say.
This is 2022…we need to keep adding to this offense and helping our best player. We aren’t stopping teams like the chiefs….you simply need to match them point for point.
What do yiou says to the fact that the Bills are winless on the road in the playoffs under Mcdermitt, I say it points more to the defense than the offense.
we cant have everything, the fact that we gave up 42 points and over 30 to the Titans...look at the yards rushing we gave up is an on-going problem
we have two starting tackles in place for years, the center and guard positions are usually not early picks unless hall-of-famers. Teller was a fifth-rounder for example.
We already gave up a first-rounder for a WR for Diggs who will likely be extended. Davis is number 2, Beasley back for one more, the position will not be ignored and free agents like Sanders did, will want to come play for Josh and the ring.
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Trey, Gabriel Davis, Josh, Edmunds, Spencer Brown, 99 (injuries), for starters all contributed early - the new defensive ends not as much yet, I think you are looking for impact, monster man, star player results...early, right away - not the philosophy of the veteran coaches as Bills age-wise are always top 10 oldest NFL roster, the kids learn while the vets play.
but to your point, the future is NOW....
we have nine (9) picks coming this draft with one each in the first five rounds and two each in rounds six (Car) and seven (Atl - thanks to the gift that keeps on holding, I mean, giving, Lee Smith).
Need space-eating nose as Harry, Oliver and Zimmer (pending UFA-ACL tear) are light (under 300) and our run defense is consistently exposed against the good teams...and need a CB esp if Levi gets paid, and he very well ma y leave for that, and OL depth (always)
Plus 9 picks are not going to make our roster, two got cut last season and got poached from the PS (Anderson, Wildgoose) so given that I would trade up from our first-round pick #25 to get Jordan Davis - UGA - 6-6-340, and then since it is a deeper draft than usual for quality corners, per Joe B (Athletic) move up again in the second round, pick 57 and add some middle round picks to get a quality CB and if needed pull from next years draft picks, cuz the future is now...see LA Rams model.
Use the late round picks in rounds 6-7 for OL and overall depth, and punter maybe ?, those will take some grooming.
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5 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:
They should fix this!! Teams shouldn’t be able to poach drafted PS players
never going to happen - the NFLPA would never give into an option for a player to make more money when added to active roster
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2 hours ago, ProcessYaDigg said:
I'm still up in the air about Edmonds. If the FO doesn't believe he's the guy, then we need to assess and bring in a potential replacement. Not sure how this draft class looks.
early word on this year draft is deeper than usual corners...per Joe B the Athletic...so I personally would move up to get space-eater Jordan Davis from UGA to replace Star, he is the Chuck Bednarik Award, and the Outland Trophy winner in his senior season 6-6 - 340.
and then move up again with more middle round picks to get a corner, esp if Wallace bolts, then we still have 4 picks in 6th-7th round to get a guard, center a la Wyatt Teller....harder for picks to make our roster and we have 9 this year, plus we cut 2 this past season and they were poached from PS - Anderson, Wildgoose
the future is NOW !!! need to fill holes faster
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agree with overall assesments as far as needs...esp resigning #99 and make and effort to resign LevI Wallace and Hughes which may not happen the best FAs are your own...which was last year strategy likely this years...
Beano did say they will make the effort to resign Levi
Total of 9 picks: #25, 57, 89, 126, 166 184 (from Car), 203, 228 (from ATL) , 243 - Beano is well-armed
(Teams eliminated in the Divisional round get picks 25-28)
https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/full_draft
Since the future is NOW, I dont have a problem with moving up in the early rounds to get us that big nose tackle to replace Star, as we are kind of light otherwise (Harry, Oliver, Zimmer), AND corner which has not been a high pick since Trey (at #27) even if it means moving multiple picks this year and possibly next year as well...as in early picks
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if I aint startin I aint departin...Garry Templeton shortsop STL Cadinals baseball ...response...back in the 1970s-80s All-Star snub then invite
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they each have a bleeping name:
Wide Right, 13 Seconds, and Music City Miracle- in that order...as mentioned previously and I agree and want to vomit...again....
Its wonderful being a Bills fan, we are a great fanbase and this team unites us and the city like no other, but goddamn it....
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Rams Team Building Strategy Will It Be Duplicated or a Rareity
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rams strength is a young innovative coach who has been to the big game twice already and has an extensive coaching tree of assistants now head coaches and he keeps on winning !
he is able to take a mediocre to slightly above average qb and raise his game, (and save momey and picks in not having a super start qb to carry the team) they over-invest in the skill D positions (which the Bills seem to do) but it seems to pay, add the LA-LA-LAND sunshine and glamour appeals to vet free agents to add quality depth for the championship run...could that happen in Buffalo ?
Their warts are burning high draft picks, a soon to be 41 year-old LT, a punter is 11th on your pay scale ?, and are 10M over the 2022 cap, but that is the cost of winning.
Stafford does not make to the SB if he is Bills, Chefs, Packers or Bengals qb, but now he has a ring, the game-winning-drive and TD pass in a super bowl which everybody wants !!!