Mikie2times

You know your right. I bet when Buffalo made the trade for Bledsoe the first thing they did was look for game film from 1993. Just to make the study even more relevant they also tried to sign Ben Coates.

I don't need to look up the Washingtons INT/TD ratio when Gibbs was around because I know that it was atleast greater then 1.5 in 2 of the SB teams, and probably better in all three. I never said a Coach can't influence QB's and the rest of the team to play better. But how do you explain the dozens of examples in which a team sucks, has a defensive minded coach, then all of sudden turns into a power with nothing but a new QB? Or a coach has had great succuss then all of sudden they suck with a diffrent QB? Your making it as cut and dry as me saying bad QB = bad coach. All I ever said was coaches struggle badly without good QB play. That if you never see a good QB while your coaching odd are you won't be coaching long. Only 14% of playoff teams have put together back to back appearences without a 1.5 raitio or higher. You can interpret that anyway you like.

Whats Drew's record against winning teams? How many playoff games has Drew led his team to since 2000? How many years did it take New England to become a Super Bowl winner with Brady? How many Fumbles has Drew lost since 2000? How many oputunities did Drew have to win yesterday? If you answer any of these questions with.... He led New England to the Super Bowl in the second half against Pittsburgh, or He almost made the playoffs, or the offensive line sucks, or he just needs Blank...well join the club. New England, Buffalo, and Dallas all said the same thing.

First try and disprove what I'm saying with facts if you disagree with it. Second You don't find it the least bit intresting/coincidental that nearly every good or great head coach has had a good or great QB? That teams magically go from winner to losers right when the QB is changed or breaks threw? That an overwhelming amount of coaches are fired, without ever getting good QB play? The NFL has far more examples of great QB's that made bad or average coaches great, then great coaches who made bad or average QB's great. It's a fact, not scapegoating. I'll be happy to run off a list, since I can think off about 25 examples off my head, of defensive type HC's that were losers for years, until a QB came in a changed things. Obviously a Defensive coach would have zero impact on that.

The same Bledsoe that played in Buffalo, and now Dallas after years of being destroyed? He was a diffrent player then. As for Lomabrdi you just mentioned the greatest coach in football history. I would hope if anybody could win without a great QB it would be him. Then again Starr is in the Hall, along with about 10 other players from the 60's Packers.

I agree. I just hope we take a more patient approach this time around. That's not to say Mularkey or Williams were good here. I haven't made any comments saying as much. But I do know they had a very small chance at be successful long term with our QB play. Looking at the odds of a QB making it, JP is more likely to fail then succeed. We need to keep him in for consistency's sake, and the hope that he can put it together. But he fails then what? Are Bills fans patient enough to wait and see on another QB? At this point were at year 3 with Jauron, and need more time for a QB to develop. Jauron wouldn't survive. We will hire a new staff, and once again enter rebuilding. It's a sick cycle that's killed any chance of consistency the last 5 years.

So we should hold Jauron and the Bills to this one example, and not the 100's of ones that contradict it? The truth is without a decent QB no coach in the NFL will get a fair shake. The ones that have QB's get way to much credit, and the ones that don't get way to much blame.

Kordella but Mularkey was the OC, not the HC. This topic, and my comments only refer to HC's and QB's.

Like I said, think Dunn. He still runs with power despite his size, and loves running inside. He plays with chip on his shoulder. He posted over 125 yards against Michigan, and 225 against Northwestern last year. This year he posted over 160 yards against Ohio State. This is elite competition for the most part, behind a MAC line. His average is almost 10 yards a carry!

Uncoincidentally Marv Levy is considered a great HC. I defy people to come up with examples of HC's that had success for an extended period of time without a great QB. I could come up with 100's of examples of great HC's with great QB's. The relationship isn't independent for some of those names, but for many it is. Still we expected/expect Gregg, Mularkey, or Jauron to right the ship no matter what happens at QB. Not how it works folks.

Whether or not they deserved to be run out of town remains to be seen. As the stats clearly indicate you don't experience consistent success in the NFL without good QB play. If you do, the overwhelming majority of teams have lost it the following season. The coaches we ran out of town had a QB that neither Bill Parcells or Belichick have done crap with. Both are Super Bowl winning coaches, and both have had superior talent then the Bledose led Bills teams Mularkey and Williams had. The only person that would tell you otherwise is TD before the start of each year.

Which is exactly my point. If you look at it year to year it's unlikely your team will go to the playoffs unless your QB throws 1 1/2 TD's for every INT. We almost made it in 04 despite not reaching that level. The fall from grace the following year is pretty much the exact same thing every other team experiences. I like Jauron more then Mularkey, but Mularkey got rode out of town because he couldn't accomplish something very few head coaches have over the last 6 seasons. Who's to say JP won't continue to struggle with the TD/INT ratio, like this whole team has the last decade. I'm pulling to stick with him for consistencies sake, but the odds are still against him, which means that odds are still against Jauron surviving. Jauron will not survive if JP doesn't. That is unless Marv bucks this trend. Just wait, if Greggo gets his chance again and has a QB, I bet we will regret the day we let him go.

We will try and run Jauron out of town. It's not a prediction, it's a guarantee. When bad things happen here we blame the QB and the head coach. Justified or not, this team will not turn the corner until we get longevity in both areas. Just look at Dallas and the Patriots. If Parcells AND Belichick can't win with Drew then how could we? These are two of the all time greats, who arguably have even more to work with then the Bills did. When things went south we not only rode our QB out of town, but our coaches to. Now we need to change systems, and enter "rebuilding". Just the type of recycled strategy that's led us to one of the worst records in football the last 5 years. What exactly is Jauron up against? I'll show you. Since the year 2000, 72 teams have made the playoffs. Out of those teams 45 have posted a TD/INT ratio of 1.5 or higher, or 63%. Out of the other 37% or 27 teams that made it only 4 or 15% went onto the playoffs the following year with a TD/INT ratio of 1.5 or lower again. Those team's all had elite defenses. Among them are 2000/2001 Ravens, 2000/2001 Buccaneers, 2000/2001 Dolphins, and 2001/2002 Steelers. ZERO teams achieved this feat a 3rd time in a row. The point of all this is simple. The great coaches that sustain success also have QB's who throw a lot of TD's and a small amount of INT's. The last time Buffalo had a QB with a 1.5 TD/INT ratio or higher was 2003. Drew did it once, and never could repeat that success again. Before that, Flutie. If JP doesn't turn into who we want him to be, and we don't find someone that can, it's almost certain Jauron will be run out of town. This despite that fact that no coach in the last 6 seasons has been able to sustain a playoff team without a QB that throws for a 1.5 ratio or higher. This season Jauron not only will have to deal with that, but also has to deal with a completely new team, and system. When we win, we should be thankful, when we lose we should look to grow from it. You point the finger at Jauron when we have a QB that can get it done, and were still losing. To do it before then would make us the same recycled team we've had. Just give Dick a chance!

Wow, right with you on this. Had we beaten the Bears and Detroit remained win less I thought we had a very good chance of having a letdown the following week. Now I don't like the chance of a let down, but unfortunately Detroit is still win less. It's a game we should win, but the Lions tend to play well at home, and will be desperate.

Hows this? Unfortunately some of our fans want to compare the last few years with our team this year. Things are completely different, this is a completely different team. We have new coaches, new players, and a new system. We executed well this first few weeks, and made some believers out of people. That's not easy do to in this league, especially when your starting so many rookies. Unfortunately we played a damn good team on Sunday. We missed on a few plays early and things really started to snow ball. Instead of trying to regroup we decided to call off next weeks game in Detroit. Instead we will be going on vacation to look for homes in Southern California. See ya at the Beach Biyatches. Sincerely, Dick Jauron

For those that don't know of him check out Northern Illinois if you ever get a chance. You can see them on ESPN right now. RB Wolfe is a true home run hitter, and a legit Hesiman candidate. He's small in stature, but runs with great leverage. His agility and acceleration are outstanding, and he just levels people in pass protection. I think he could be a Warrick Dunn, if not better. That’s a great fit in our offense, and his style would compliment Willis well. Down the road he would also be great insurance in case Willis leaves.

Leinhart has pop status. Losman is hardly at the level of Leinhart in terms of celebrity. He also has a much stronger arm. It would be like Pennington playing in Buffalo.

A California Playboy in Buffalo? Then you have his arm strength. I don't know how that would work out in the Buffalo wind.

It doesn't matter how McGee covererd him off the line. That doesn't reduce the amount of time the WR had to get in his route. That's what you have to have in this defense so the safties can roll over and help. Clements has done this well all year, Jauron has even said as much.

He might not have been playing press, but the play was designed for him to make contact with the WR inside of 5 yards. It would be impossible for our saftey to play the deep half near the sideline if he didn't.

I'm not suggesting we replace him this year. I just feel that if we stay in the cover 2, his best position is probably Nickleback. Clements is physical, we really need to look at keeping him. I thought for awhile that we could let Nate go, but he is a very good fit in this system. We drafted Youbouty because he's also physical, but he hasn't made any waves thus far. Ideally we could pick up a better fit in FA, or maybe in the draft. It's not pressing, but this move would upgrade our secondary. I also wouldn't be against giving Kilwaukee a shot, he seems to be playing well enough.

On the bomb to Berrian we ran the cover 2. It was McGee's job at the line to slow Berrian down enough so Ko could react. He couldn't and Berrian ends up with the bomb. Jauron commented about the same thing happening last week. He's a great return man and decent corner, but he's not physical enough at the line for this defense.

I'm starting to think the same

Sit down Crowell your done 20-0

I had DTV the last two years, the ticket was amazing. Problem is I moved, and now I'm in an apartment that doesn't have a clear line of sight. Even though the Bears are up 20 nothing, I'm thrilled I got the game streaming on Sopcast. Does anybody do this for our games every week? Or would somebody be willing to do it? I sit and listen to the audio, but god gave me more then ears. Us out of towners without the ticket would greatly appreciate it.