Mikie2times

Actually check that, -9.5, maybe -10. It will be one or the other.

I'm going -13.5

Good adjustment by Jacksonville. Pittsburgh has been rolling that Safety up all half.

I can't stand how many stubborn NFL coaches refuse to sneak on 3rd/4th and 1.

You need some measuring stick. "My eyes" don't exactly hold up in court, but I get it. We can't throw out what we observe for just data. TT would be HOF if we did. I watched plenty of both and have ran adjusted numbers. Ben probably gets the nod, but it's not a title wave victory IMO. Hard to compare players in different eras.

Reaching on that. Adjust the data to match the era. He might have a leg up, but good luck finding anything to validate that opinion with adjusted data outside of Ben winning a Super Bowl.

Great comparison.

Seems like a lot of you think Jacksonville has a better shot at New England. Sometimes the Patriots can be beat with a great defensive team, but I think you need a top 5 QB to have a chance this year. You need to match points.

He's been a franchise QB for over a decade. You could argue he isn't as good as the 3-5 other franchise QB's at various stages of his career, but that is about the most his detractors could say.

In the last 4 quarters vs Pittsburgh, Jacksonville has 21 points on defense. That alone has outscored Pittsburgh in roughly 6 quarters this year.

Jacksonville is the more developed version of what this team wants to be. Don't make mistakes. Let other teams beat themselves. Play great defense.

I think what is mostly being discussed is the RPO's, spread, read option, single wing concepts. With NFL athletes, it still will boil down to who can throw the ball better in the conventional passing game.

Outside of your take on Jackson I agree with everything. I don't see Jackson converting over well. Just too dependent on his legs. We will see. This was sort of the purpose of the thread. People keep saying draft a franchise QB. I think many feel we could do that with our volume of picks. Not that simple. Lot of teams with QB interest drafting very high. Your two "Franchise" players are likely gone by 4. Your reach Franchise player = Allen or Baker is probably gone by 6. This thread is looking more at the top end of the draft. If we find value in the mid Allen/Rudolph/Jackson this isn't an issue. I just don't like the idea of any of the 3.

I completely agree that this whole climate could change based on FA. But the notion that we can land Rosen or Darnold even with the resources we have is still not locked in. Cleveland is likely interested with one of the top 4 picks, then the Colts/Giants take the other. If you got a 3rd guy you really like he probably gets taken by Denver or the Jets.

I look at the Colts and Giants as one team in the context I proposed. Will one of them go QB? I think so.

I just stuck with the higher drafting teams with the viewpoint that at max 3 players fit the franchise label. Obviously anything can happen. We could take one later, but later doesn't really fit the mold of Franchise QB. Agree, I think he is highly overrated and is the last guy I want out of all of them outside of Jackson.

Lot of conversation about us getting a QB in round one. I want to try and get that centered more in reality as far as what that likely means. Candidates Josh Rosen- Top 5- I feel he will be the first off the board Sam Darnold- Top 5- Worthy of a franchise QB pick. A bit concerned over turnovers last year. Josh Allen- Top 20- Incredible skill set, wanted to see it translate to Wyoming being ranked Baker Mayfield- This years Deshaun Watson? Could be anywhere from first round to Top 10, even Top 5 (We will get into that) Lamar Jackson- Late 1st/2nd- Incredible talent, but just don't see his skill converting Mason Rudolph-Late 1st/2nd- Lot of people like him, so do I, but is he your pick to solve for a Franchise QB? Competition Cleveland: Picks 1 and 4 Giants: Pick 2 Colts: Pick 3 Broncos: Pick 5 Jets: Pick 6 Any QB with a reasonable expectation of being a Franchise QB will not get past the Jets. Broncos and Jets are desperate. It would seem implausible Cleveland passes at one then the Giants and Colts also pass. Things could look much different come draft time but from the looks of it now it would seem our target would have to be Cleveland's #4 with the hope that they go QB with the first overall. Our two first round picks don't equal the value of the 4th pick on draft charts. With this many teams targeting QB's that pick is going to be at a premium. If it's Darnell or Rosen #4 might not even be enough to get it done. At which point do you like anybody else enough to jump to 4 because if you do they likely won't pass Denver or New York. We can talk drafting a Franchise QB and we likely have the resources to do it, but positioning to do so will not be easy.

We needed to end the drought. That was just a weight on us that needed to go away. Past that I don't put much into this season as far as qualifying the teams future. We had much better teams over the last 17 years than the 2017 Bills. I do feel good about the leadership and direction and that probably means the most long term.

That's gross dude

Anybody I have met from WNY is a Bills fan. I love meeting them. Great guy at work, guys as good of a person as I have ever met. We all have our experiences. I know plenty of people like me exist. Detroit market, the Bills were always on. We went to our first Super Bowl when I was 8. Somewhere in the 8-16 range you typically discover a team you like and that was an exciting team. I identified with the fan base over time. Our fan base stands for my value system. Buffalo has always felt like the perfect throwback. I can't not like the Bills, it didn't really feel like I got a choice in it either which I'm sure most you feel.

You might be surprised how many current 30-40 year old's grew up as Bills fans during the Kelly era and stayed with the team. They had a large national presence in that era. Wasn't uncommon for them to be on national TV 75% of the games.

Jacksonville could dominate us up front on both sides. It could also go the way of them having the edge but us erasing it as that offense is not very efficient and Tyrod is capable of doing a lot with broken plays and aggressive defenses. This is a game we can win. I posted back in October the drought would end based on turnover ratio. At that time the turnover ratio was getting so extreme it would have been downright improbable to miss the playoffs. It normalized and we almost missed the playoffs, but still the most predictable angle on turnovers is QB play. Taylor doesn't throw INT's. He has 4 all year, 1 in every 105 attempts, only 4 fumbles. He has been that way every year. Bortles has 13 INT's, 1 in every 40 attempts, and 9 fumbles. He has been turnover prone every year. Bills ranked 6th in INT's, Jacksonville 2nd, but the Bills have the clear edge based on QB's. In a close defensive oriented game turnovers always determine the outcome. Jacksonville has benefited from this all season. I don't see them doing so on Sunday. We want a sloppy defensive game. Jacksonville plays that way naturally. This was a great draw for us in the scheme of things.

We traded or didn't sign just about every key player we had on the roster and nearly all of them made the playoffs on other teams. Now here we are. A part of me thinks they have to regret not being in Buffalo right now. Some didn't have much say, I get that, but I think about Marcell and I just get the feeling he would rather be with Kyle celebrating what has been a career long pursuit with a rabid fan base than lacing it up for the Jags Sunday. I look at Woods and have to think he's not only F'N crazy, but he was a guy with heart and he wanted it to end as bad as anybody. You can say it's all about money, but when you watch that locker room video clearly it's more to some. It has to feel disappointing to these guys that the drought ended without them here and they couldn't be part of the group to get it done. Further it has to be disappointing seeing the love displayed by our fan base compared to that of the teams they landed on. We treated the team like they just won a super bowl. LA vs BUF making the playoffs just isn't the same thing. If this has been posted on already my apologies. Just something I have thought about outside of the game.

He must be atheist

Most statistical evidence suggests even the most bold HC's should be going for it more on 4th down. I blame god for these spineless decisions.