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2 hours ago, mannc said:
That’s fine. I just don’t think Oliver is good. You do. We’ll see.
I’m not going to go as far as you and say he isn’t good, but I don’t think he’s a Beane guy. Not in the least. Beane prefers prototypes, which Oliver is not. He also prefers good character, which Oliver showed the exact opposite of on national tv with his hissy fit about the jacket. I’m not worried about Oliver, really, because I think the Bills are just being diligent by bringing him in for a private workout.
I would look look more closely at Christian Wilkins, who fits McD and Beane to a t. He’s prototypical, productive, a winner, and has excellent character. Would be a perfect locker room fit and be an immediate fit in this culture.
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2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
So, he wasn't faking it then? Gotcha. Namastè Sir...we all do?
There are still questions that he was faking the severity of it. He did hurt it, no doubt, but people have questioned whether or not he was ok to play.
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8 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
You are Kinda right. You didn't say he was always injured. But you didn't say his knee issues could be a red flag either.
What you said was "his measurable were a disappointment. He has a history of injuries, and he may not be coachable".
Of course, that was in the top 9 in the draft thread. I'm not trying to argue. I've read your link, and responded with 6 that say opposite your narrative. That said, your opinion seems to be the minority and I fear you haven't done adequate inquiries into other media outlets that offer a different narrative. And I think its clouding your judgement of a very good player that McBeane is obviously interested In. If that one incident screams non process ad you claim, they wouldn't be wasting a pre draft visit on him. JMO
We will agree to disagree
Yes. He has a history of injuries. Even if it might not be a long list, there is still history there with the nagging knee injuries. Yeah I don’t think he’s a McDermott guy at all. At this point they have talked to most of the guys they might be interested in and are using these visits up. Kinda like a recruit that is allowed 5 official visits and uses them all up to see different campuses even though they already know where they wanna go. I’m not saying there is no way Oliver won’t be the pick, but I would be very surprised if he was.
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3 minutes ago, Augie said:
Yes, it generally means exactly that. They don’t waste those meetings lightly. He was previously thought of as a top 3 pick. He’s extremely talented and performed at a very high level.
I have my own reservations, but they know far more than we do, and I trust them to get it right. Time will tell.
Due diligence. You get 30 visits. We have 10 picks. You’re right though...time will tell.
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9 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
Umm...you DID say he was always injured. And how many players go out pre-game to test an injury, only to be a no go? Happens EVERY SINGLE GAME. Don't make that out to be something its not
I never said he was always injured. I said his knee issue could be a red flag.
Im done arguing with you over this. It’s ridiculous to me that this much effort has been spent arguing over a guy that I feel has no chance of being a Bill. You do though. We each have an opinion. Leave it at that.
6 minutes ago, Augie said:How can you be so certain in the face of the fact that the FO used one of a limited number of visits to meet with Oliver? That makes no sense. Have you met the man? The guys trusted with the decision used a valuable meeting to meet with him. How can you know if they don’t?
They get 30 visits. They have met with a ton of guys at the Senior Bowl and combine and now they are meeting with others as well. It’s called due diligence. Just because you are visiting doesn’t mean you are high on a team’s radar.
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16 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
I read it. I take ALL accounts and info regarding the matter and form an unbiased opinion. Did you happen to read the links I sent you?
There's no hype glasses at all. He's a beast of a 3tech, a good teammate, coachable, high character kid. With a ton of production. Applewhite agrees. Why cant you?
So is he always injured as you first stated? Or was he faking it as is your accusation 24 hours later?
Never said he was always injured. He had knee issues and then sat out a game but was on the field running around before that game. Yes, I think there is something to be said that he was faking the severity of his injury.
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Just now, BuffAlone said:
I read it. I take ALL accounts and info regarding the matter and form an unbiased opinion. Did you happen to read the links I sent you?
There's no hype glasses at all. He's a beast of a 3tech, a good teammate, coachable, high character kid. With a ton of production. Applewhite agrees. Why cant you?
Of course a coach is going to say “coach things” about one of their players. He wasn’t going to just throw him under the bus. However, you can’t ignore what the entire sports world saw in that moment. He literally had to be restrained from his coach because he asked him to take off his jacket and let the players have it. He felt entitled to it and took exception to it. Why can’t you admit that?
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Just now, BuffAlone said:
By well documented, you mean...in your opinion, right? Guess you didn't read the 5 links I promised you last night that say otherwise, huh? Your narrative is quite ridiculous. First you claimed he was always injured, now you say he was faking it. Just admit that you don't like him, regardless of facts, and let it go. You're not convincing anyone other than yourself lol
Here we go again. Nope. I sent you a link. Ignore it. I see that’s your MO. Doesn’t matter. I’m not worried about Oliver at all because we won’t be drafting him. Not a process guy. Take off your hype glasses and see the big picture.
4 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:By well documented, you mean...in your opinion, right? Guess you didn't read the 5 links I promised you last night that say otherwise, huh? Your narrative is quite ridiculous. First you claimed he was always injured, now you say he was faking it. Just admit that you don't like him, regardless of facts, and let it go. You're not convincing anyone other than yourself lol
Here we go again. Nope. I sent you a link. Ignore it. I see that’s your MO. Doesn’t matter. I’m not worried about Oliver at all because we won’t be drafting him. Not a process guy. Take off your hype glasses and see the big picture.
Great character, Ed...
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For those of you pining over Oliver, I think you are getting your hopes up for nothing. You can’t ignore Beane and McDermitt’s affinity for clean prospects that fit the culture that they are trying to build. Oliver doesn’t fit that in the least. It’s been well documented that he’s a high maintenance player and there are questions about whether he was faking a knee injury late in the season. Not to mention the hissy fit he threw over the jacket. That stuff can’t be ignored and I’m sure it will all be brought up during his visit.
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2 minutes ago, wppete said:
I think you could be disappointed this year. It makes sense at a position of need.
Nah. One of 30 visits.
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3 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said:
Anyone who thinks Rosen will fetch a 1st round pick is out of their minds
Qb values are always inflated. I’ve read that if Rosen was in this draft, he might have been the top rated qb. I’m sure someone will overpay for him if he becomes available.
Just now, Magnum Force said:That would be great spot to draft Hockenson but I still think they would go DT possibly DE edge.
Probably. If we trade down with the skins I’d say take Hockenson and get a DT and OT I’m the second.
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Just now, Magnum Force said:
That could be good for us depending on if Washington would be interested in moving up and what they would give up to move to 9. Also depends on what Beane's board looks like at the time.
I would love a trade down. If Haskins or Lock is there at 9, the Broncos, Skins, Dolphins, or another team like the Chargers might want to jump up for them. This is my hope. We would probably get another second and would then have ammo to fill out the roster.
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5 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:
I have a feeling White will fall to us...and I am curious to see what would do if that were the case.
Just don’t see us going linebacker with Milano and Edmunds in the fold. Has to be DT.
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Just now, BuffAlone said:
I''ll be honest. I'm not the high tech kid you seem to be. I'll write down every single link by hand and be back to you shortly. Still waiting on your opinion that his stock is lower than wilkins' tho. So in the meantime, we both do work and meet back here, agreed?
Kid? Hahah. Hilarious. I ever said he was rated higher than Oliver. I just think McD goes with the process guy over the guy with maintenance issues. Like it or not (I’m assuming not), Beane loves character, which Wilkins has in spades. That’s a big deal.
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2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
Donald had a 32" vertical. 4.68 40 time
Oliver had a 36" vertical.40 time pending pro day. His legs, size, production, nasty, all on par with Donald. His stock ain't dropped
It’s dropped. He was considered a top three pick (if not first overall) in the college preseason. Now? Not so much.
BTW, I showed you proof that people are saying he’s high maintenance. Still waiting on your 5 saying he’s not...
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Just now, NewDayBills said:
I think they should do squats at the combine, especially for linemen. Leg power is where most of the power is generated in the body. Not disregarding the bench though.
I’ve said this as well. Completely agree. Who gives a crap about pressing 225? Leg drive is where it’s at.
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1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:
Wtf "reports" are you seeing? Haha haha.
Show me one that says that, I'll show you 5 that say otherwise. High maintenance...you crack me up. I can't fix what is broken with you.
Here ya go, chief:
Fixed.
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2 minutes ago, H2o said:
They might be all in on the "Tank for Tua" sweepstakes as well. That being said I think Haskins doesn't get passed on by Washington if he makes it that far.
If Haskins gets to Washington they have to take him.
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Just now, BuffAlone said:
Oh yeah? Lmao. 6'5 MLB ain't prototype. Again, I repeat, Oliver is HIGH CHARACTER. You don't seem to be getting that. Beane will decipher thru all of his wants, and make the best decision for the team.
Hahahahaha. Nope. I’m not “getting that”. He’s not high character. It’s been reported that he’s high maintenence and I question his heart at the end of the season. It seeed like he was milking his injured knee which let his teammates down. He’s not a Beane guy. I truly believe that.
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Just now, gonzo1105 said:
There are a lot of people saying they are going BPA at 6 and taking Daniel Jones at 17
I could see this. Good point.
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They also have the 17th pick from the OBJ trade. I’ll bet they have a handshake deal with the Cards for Rosen.
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25 minutes ago, VW82 said:
I think the questions have been more about him having a bad attitude which if true is enough of a reason to stay away. Guys like that can eat away at the culture from the inside, especially if they're high picks with a big contract. Here's an exert from an SI piece back in Nov:
Houston DT Ed Oliver’s run-in with coach Major Applewhite wouldn’t be a big deal if Oliver didn’t already carry a bit of rep in this regard. According to scouts, Oliver has been widely seen as high-maintenance, and as a guy who’s gotten things his way a lot (his high school defensive coordinator, A.J. Blum, was hired as his position coach two years ago) since arriving on campus as the first five-star recruit in program history.
Yeah I went back and looked at it and edited my post to reflect that. There's been some other chatter about Oliver's attitude issues outside of that sideline run in. I don't know that it's true but definitely something McBeane needs to flush out.
Exactly. Fact is Oliver is not a process guy. Christian Wilkins is.
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14 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
I like Wilkins a lot. Just don't see him rated higher than Oliver. Oliver had just as long and high character of a collegiate career as Wilks, but crushed the stats by a mile. I'd be fine with either, but Oliver would be my choice between the two. Just gives more violence at the position IMO
Of course Oliver had better stats. He should. He routinely played against guys that will be paying to watch football games when their college careers are over.
4 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:I will bet you one of these Icon Beers that we take Oliver. Shake on the bet?
Not happening. Wilkins is a Beane guy through and through. Like it or not, Beane loves prototype and character as much as production.
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11 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
Donald threw up 35 reps at the combine. How many did Oliver do? See ya after you Google it....
Wow. One exercise. Oliver is not Donald.
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