Seventeen
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Just now, CuddyDark said:
He doesn't need to be rebuilt. It's all level of comp and reading defenses. That could take 3 years to develop, however.
And could with the other big 3 as well - none of them has played as the NFL level.
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7 minutes ago, KellyToTasker said:
Aaron Rodgers did not need years to develop. Rodgers needed Favre to leave.
And how would anyone on this board know if Allen needs 3 years to develop outside of wild guesses ?
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1 minute ago, ddaryl said:
If a QB needs 2 years to be ready they have no business being drafted i the 1st rd IMO
See Aaron Rodgers
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I'd take Bradford off the list - someone just paid the bust $20 mil.
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1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:
The sad fact is that some Bills fans are simply far too lazy to look into the reasons as to why Allen's completion percentage didn't improve in his last season at Wyoming. Due to the fact that the entire class of 2016 that touched the football had moved on and he was dealing with all rookies who were constantly dropping passes. He was literally running for his life most games and yet the team still went 8-5 and won their bowl game. Or that his YPA was a mere 6.7 in college and at the Senior bowl that improved to 12.2.
Most fans would rather sit back and regurgitate what others are saying that accuracy can't be fixed ...which I've already shown is ridiculous to say.
There is a real reason as to why a lot of NFL scouts and draft analysts have Josh Allen as the #1 pick overall going to the Browns. Come to think of it I don't know why I even bother attempting to enlighten my fellow fans should they want to end it all should the Bills actually draft this kid. Simply because he will be gone after the first three picks...unless they trade up to two to draft him.
Allen reminds a lot of people of Elway. Big arm, mobile, and loads of upside and raw talent. Folks forget Elway had a shaky first year in Denver. Allen may be the same but it'll be fun watching him develop.
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6 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:
Thanks for quoting it so other Bills fans can read it again.
Funny thing is that if Allen was around 60% in college, this board would be slobbering all over him.
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1 minute ago, alluro said:
The classic counter point to the accuracy problem is of course hall of famer Brett Favre. He finished his college career with a 52.4% completion percentage and finished his NFL career with a 62.0% completion percentage. Allen certainly has a Favre-like cannon.
FWIW, I hope Buffalo gets Lamar Jackson. He has more upside than anyone in this class and a fairly safe floor. At worst, you're getting a better passing version of Tyrod with way more ability to run.
Jury's out on whether Jackson is a better passer than Tyrod whose NFL stats are not bad at all.
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5 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:
not a terrible option. It's possible that Mayfield falls to 12, which would be fantastic, IMO.
Allen needs to sit behind a vet. I see the Steelers, Saints, etc. taking him .
Steelers would have to move up and do they have enough draft capital to make it happen ?
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2 minutes ago, Mango said:
You could make the same arguement the other way. NFL careers are on the line here, we can’t go into the season with just McCarron.
For me, I don’t mind sending a bunch of draft capital to move up, take our guy, and have McCarron turn into a stud. I see it as an investment in the position not the player. If it costs the Bills 2 firsts this year and maybe one next year, and McCarron is the man, then so be it, it’s the cost of the position for the next 15 years.
If it's Rosen, I have a big issue with trading three #1s for a guy that's is possibly one more concussion from being out of the league. Especially when his dad is a doctor and would probably advise him to hang it up. And I'm aware there are varying levels of concussions, but there has to be some cumulative effect and possibility of CTE.
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1 minute ago, Bobby Hooks said:
I can cherry pick too. It’s a waste of time.
Just like choosing a project qb in the first.
Sure you can and that's why you or anyone else has no idea of how successful Allen will be in the pros.
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31 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:
It’s a trap as old as time and it scares the heck out of me. We don’t have two more years to waste on another project.
You learn if someone has accuracy on the sandlot. You have it or you don’t. Don’t know how front offices still don’t grasp that you can’t teach that.
Matthew Stafford must have been more accurate on the sandlot than in college.
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1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:
Talk about Baloney! Go read stats from all college QB's and they generally can improve with each passing year of playing. It's because they are growing, developing, maturing into men from boys. Allen has only played two years in college so there is room to improve his accuracy percentage just like Matthew Stafford did in his third year in college.
This mindset that college kids can't develop into better players is absurd.
Yep, check out Russell Wilson's college stats.
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17 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
Okay cool. So you don't want him, and that is fine. I just hate the media crap that is obviously made up. It's all dramatic stuff.
I want him because he's good at playing quarterback. On the field his arm can cut through the wind, he is able to read coverages and make amazing throws from inside the pocket. He has good size and height, hands etc. This is the type of quarterback we haven't had in a very long time. I think the biggest issue is the concussions. I have no problem with the spoiled white kid stuff..or the cockiness. People seem to love the same things about Mayfield but it comes in the form of small, unathletic white trash, so he is confident? We can call him a quitter for leaving Texas Tech, or call him out for making excuses for the 8 uncatchable balls he threw at his pro day. We can frame things up to be anyway we want them to be.
To me all that stuff is all semantics. It is the job of the coaches and GMs to make sure a person works in your locker room. This is the NFL, not cumbaya. If McDermott can't get a guy like Rosen to work in his locker room, he should not have a job. If they decide they don't like him, fine, but I think, based on talent and the way he plays, that he is the best quarterback in this draft.
With the concussion history, I don't want him for a boatload of picks when we have so many other holes.
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Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:
There's no need to do it at all.
This ... I think AJ is gonna surprise a few folks.
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Just now, MrEpsYtown said:
Ok fair enough, but you are singling out Rosen. So what is your ultimate point here?
I don't want to sell the farm for Rosen with his concussion history. Two already that we know of ... and I have an issue withe the "spoiled rich kid" image he seems to project. Immature perhaps, but so is Mayfield.
What makes you think Rosen would fit here in Buff, both on the field and off ? You ok with (3) #1 picks for a guy that might be out of football with another concussion ?
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Just now, MrEpsYtown said:
Says who? This is your opinion based on no actual factual evidence. Unless you know him personally, I'm not sure what to say.
Of course it's my opinion - this is a discussion board. I would think most QBs would rather play for the Giants than Buffalo. So what ?
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1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:
This is what he actually said:
"I'd rather be a lower pick at the right team than a higher one at the wrong team"
Nothing about Cleveland or Buffalo in there. He also said this:
"I think the teams know more than I do in the sense of where I'd best fit," he said. "I might be a bit of a unique personality, so hopefully they can pick me apart and if a team really feels that I'm their guy, hopefully they'll go and get me.''
I see nothing wrong with anything. As we all know, the right fit is what is most important. If we want to read into things we can spin it positive:
"He doesn't care about the money or high he gets drafted, winning is everything to Josh Rosen."
See what I did there????
Yep, I see what you did but if you gave Rosen a list of the top 10 teams in the draft and asked him to rank them on where he might want to play, I would pretty much guarantee than CLE/BUF would be on the bottom. You may think otherwise.
As far as we know, he may have already been told by the Giants that they're taking him.
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5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
It's just projection. Rodgers was an anomaly. Happened one time and teams are going to make sure it never happens again. The draft is about projection and potential. In every sport. When you are drafting at the top you are going for the guy with the most upside. You aren't plugging holes. When you plug holes you draft Eric Fisher #1 or something like Aaron Curry..solid and unspectacular.
You don't draft Rudolph because he has zero upside and is the same prospect as Nate Peterman, bigger frame, smaller hands, terrible footwork, spread offense, less arm strength. The guy is terrible. You are better off taking a shot on a guy like White or Lauletta later in the draft. Jackson I could see, but it is going to take some big time commitment like the Jets had with Hackenberg, and it is going to force you to pass on quarterbacks like the Jets did with Mahomes and Watson last year.
Get one of Darnold, Allen, or Rosen or don't bother.
This is more media BS man. He said:
“For me the coolest part of this meeting people from all around the country,” Rosen told Mayock. “I remember sitting in a meeting with the Giants and I kinda double-took it. Coach Shurmur, I just saw your press conference like two weeks ago. This is kinda cool.”
The kid is answering a question. How is this giving the Giants a shout out? This is the media making a story. It's BS.
Josh Allen said this:
“Coach Shurmur is a super bright mind. I like him a lot. I actually got the chance to talk to him in Mobile. Sat down with him for a little bit. He’s a really good dude. If I was fortunate enough to play under him, I’d be super stoked,” Allen said.
Why aren't there stories about Allen not wanting to go to Cleveland or Buffalo? Don't believe the hype brother.
It's a shout-out due to the exclusion of not mentioning Cleveland or Buffalo. Has he said directly that he doesn't want to play in CLE or BUF. No.
Not as big a deal for Allen to go to CLE or BUF or even DEN. He played in Wyoming while Rosen played in SoCal. Playing in crap weather is not on the top of everyone's list.
1 minute ago, terrytate said:If you were a start college qb , and were potentially a top 3 pick , wouldn't you do everything in your power to avoid playing for the most disasterous organization in sports.
Which one ? Us or CLE ?
Damn straight I would and would even consider sitting out.
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9 minutes ago, terrytate said:
Rosen is not a cookie cutter athlete. He is an intelligent , thoughtful , and honest person. He was asked a question about the browns and he responded that he would rather be drafted by a team lower in the draft if it was a better fit, than higher and a bad fit.
Browns may be scared off by that ,but who cares that franchise has ruined top qb prospects left and right.
That is simply a veiled comment for "I want to be drafted by a winner"
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3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
Yes, and I don't believe any bullcrap media assumptions made by Tedy Bruschi. He may have had 1 too many concussions. There is no actual proof that Rosen ever said anything about wanting to play anywhere. He said that it is sometimes advantageous to drop in the draft because you go to a better team, ala Aaaron Rodgers. This is obvious. He said nothing about Cleveland or Buffalo. As a person who worked in media, I can tell you it's media BS.
Maybe so, but apparently he gave a shout out to the Giants at his pro day. Did he do the same for the Bills ? All of these kids want to go to a winning franchise and I' m sure NY is a more preferred destination than Buff.
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Just now, terrytate said:
The best qb in the draft? yeah i sure don't want that guy
That's your opinion, but I don't think the Browns share it. Along with the concussion issue, what makes you think he wants to play here ?
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9 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
I love Rosen and he is my number one guy. He is my favorite player in this draft and my favorite quarterback prospect since Luck.
I guess some teams are turned off by Rosen or the concussions. I agree with you, but Allen has a higher ceiling with a much lower floor. Remember that Trubisky and Mahomes when before Watson last year because they had the bigger ceiling. NFL teams and scouts are often all over the place with these things.
Would you want Rosen still if you knew he might not want to play here ?
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4 hours ago, terrytate said:
Please name me 1 non blue collar qb.
Rosen
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So Lynch would be gone - Rodgers sat for 3 behind Favre. Siemian/Osweiler already gone. Don't know what they do with Chad Kelly.
Any QB is hit-or-miss but just like the Bills, the Broncos need to jump back on the horse.
Bills have private workout with Baker Mayfield
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Broadway Baker is a perfect fit for the Jets. I'm not sure Buffalo is big enough for his ego.