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27 minutes ago, prissythecat said:
Do some Bills fans lose faith too quickly. Just like the Ed Oliver is a bust threads?
I look at as discussion. If someone is not playing well why not have a conversation about it? Some dont want to hear anything negative. Reality is Oliver was not playing great and was losing snaps. Maybe that was the wake up call he needed to motivate himself. I would say the Allen debates are slightly different, but still why are other QB's doing xyz and Allen is not. Worth a discussion though some will again say your a hater etc. My point of view is always if you dont like what your reading and dont want to actually discuss it then go to another thread. There are plenty out there. If I come across a discussion about baking cookies I am going to move on to the next one, not get all fired up and attack people for talking about cookies.
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2 hours ago, zow2 said:
The Bills offense Dominated yesterday as much as the D. I was really impressed against a solid Denver D. The score should have been much more lopsided based on the stats and field position. The penalties really screwed them up. Gotta clean up that part. But overall i think the O looks much better than a few weeks ago.
No. Giving up only 3 is dominating. Scoring 20 is not. Especially with the play of the defense. The Bills had plenty of opportunity to put up 40+ when your D plays like that.
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Disagree. Our Defense is dependable and can keep us in any game. The O is still leaving us vulnerable. Look at the Bronco game. The O did look good yet was only up 6-0. It took a huge interception by the D or this game could have went differently. The Broncos take a 7-6 lead there and who knows how the momentum goes.
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Maybe Allen needs win against him
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1 minute ago, Bronxbomber21 said:
What happened to playing fearless
Very fearful today
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22 hours ago, CowgirlsFan said:
Which team do you guys want to win?
Why would anyone want the Pats to win?
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For Bills own self interest would be good if true. NFL suspend him for a few games as well. Steelers losses to CIN, CLE or AZ would be huge.
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1 hour ago, blacklabel said:
No to Duke. No to Foster. Somebody get me Da'Rick Rodgers!
Haha. That is what I was going to say. The legend of Da'Rick Rogers lives.
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1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:
Chargers to knock off the Chiefs is not in any reasonable scenario that I came across
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine
Win against Denver, Pitt and NYJ and its a lock. It shouldn't matter what the other teams do with one caveat
If you base the machine to Win % I got the Bills out of the WC - The LAST thing we need to see is a Houston Indy TIE
We win these 3 and we are 10-6.
Still can miss out if Ind beats HOU and all else falls according to current win %.
Per ESPN
OAK in at 11-5
IND in at 11-5
HOU in at 10-6
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2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:
That's a valid point...i think i meant determining every games outcomes to come up with a final record is likely not effective...there are always shocking outcomes or losses that teams have down the stretch where the team buckles under pressure and plays too tight...and that includes the Bills...we have no idea how they will handle the pressure of the next 6 games and having expectations put on them. Its easy to fly under the radar when nothing is expected...now that there are some expectations, everything changes.
Agreed. Hopefully Bills are not part of the shocking outcomes. Losing a week 17 game to a 3-12 Jets team to miss the playoffs. Very likely scenario they are in a win and your in game to close the season.
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1 hour ago, H2o said:
The original post was not based on a single game or performance, but on looking at the season as a whole with what he has been doing. This has also been discussed at other points in time, on this board, with many people making the same asinine posts claiming that Josh hasn't shown improvement. Or they suggest that we, our FO and coaching staff, need to be in search of a new QB this offseason. Many of the things he gets knocked for were all things that he again proved he could do on Sunday, things he has improved upon from last year to this one. He was calm in the pocket, went to his 2nd and 3rd read, put a lot of passes right on the money so the WR could get YAC, beat the blitz on a number of occasions getting the ball out to the CORRECT hot read, used his legs when the opportunity presented itself, and he didn't throw an INT for the 5th straight game. He has completely flipped his TD/INT ratio the last 6 weeks. If he had not had this type of performance ALL of the Nancy's, not just the ones only in this thread, would have been out in full force even if we won under different circumstances. NO ONE is saying he has arrived and is now a top tier, elite QB. But if you continue to deny that he hasn't shown improvement from rookie year until now, then it is fairly obvious you are either willfully oblivious or have an agenda.
PS - Darnold and the Jets were one of the teams the Dolphins had beaten during their 2 game winning streak prior to Sunday.
Well the title does include the word "now". That would make most people think after this game. Just saying...
So much of this improve talk is subjective. He has a bad game and its but he looked better in pocket. He has a good game and its but he missed this pass.
I will keep saying this. He is still having a ton of ups and towns. Some weeks the trend line looks up. Some weeks it looks down. The good news in my mind is he has not proven himself to be awful. The bad news is he has not proven himself to be destined to greatness. He could be a middle of the road guy. We are going to wait and see. The disappointment for many is that he was a top 10 pick and we are seeing a lot of other guys play great. Just got to wait this one out a bit.
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11 hours ago, matter2003 said:
Cleveland is not going to make the playoffs...Miami is not an easy win...and Cincinnati will probably beat them once...they have to win a game somewhere.
I mean people already are figuring out who is going to win and lose before the games are even played....doesnt work like that. I'll guarantee you at least 3 of your above predictions are wrong. It's a week to week league, every week is different and you don't know who is going to be hurt for all pf these games...
538 lists the Bills as having a 71% chance of making the playoffs, far and away the highest of any wild card team.
Indy is second with a 54% chance and nobody else is above 40%. Houston is predicted to win the AFC South with a 71% chance of making the playoffs.
Funny you start by saying "Cleveland is not going to make the playoffs...Miami is not an easy win...and Cincinnati will probably beat them once...they have to win a game somewhere."
Then go on to be critical of others saying "I mean people already are figuring out who is going to win and lose before the games are even played....doesnt work like that."
That is the point of this all. Playing with who wins that game or this game and how it impacts who gets in the playoffs. That is why ESPN has the playoff machine in the first place. Obviously no one knows what will happen.
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38 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:
I agree. But a charger win isn’t the worst thing either37 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:This
27 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:
a loss for them essentially kills their dwindling WC hopes. And might give us a good team to root for down the road, as they will still have games against the Chiefs and Raiders.I think the Raiders have a dangerously easy schedule the rest of the way. And the Chiefs have tough sledding. Idk if it’s best that the West best each other up, or one team runs away with the division and we root against the other
Interestingly - If you pick the better D to win each game the rest of the season by ESPN default option. Guess who makes it? Chargers...finishing 9-7 with wins over KC, JAC, MIN, OAK and KC again. Loss is to DEN. Dont see that happening but interesting nonetheless.
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2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:
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MIA prob not. At Steelers ... they could lose. Bengals need to win something. @AZ does have a chance to beat them. Cravens and then the Bungles again . I see at least 2 maybe 3 losses.
IF they win every game out and others LOSE, then yes, the Browns can make the playoffs
Browns are lowest on the list of concerns.
PIT and OAK are right there though with easy schedules.
Bottom line - Bills win games they should vs DEN and NYJ. Then take 2 of 4 vs PIT, BAL, NE, DAL.
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1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
Cleveland is not ending the year on a 8 game winning streak especially with no Garrett. I think the Raiders end 10-6 at best and Pit isn't finishing the year winning 10 of it's last 11 or even winning 9 of their last 11.
CLE plays CIN x2, MIA, AZ. Those are 4 easy wins. The PIT game will be big. Then they play BAL late. They are between 10-6 and 8-8 pretty easily.
PIT plays CIN, NYJ, AZ. Those should be 3 easy ones. They play BAL week 17 so BAL could have nothing to play for. Key games will be CLE and Bills games. They are between 11-5 and 9-7 quite easily.
OAK plays NYJ, DEN and that gets them 8 very easily. They win 3 of these to get to 11 - JAC, TEN, LAC, KC.
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Nothing changed after this Sunday.
Key games are still DAL, BAL, PIT. We lose two of those and we are potentially in trouble. Raiders are likely 11-5 or 10-6. PIT could wind up 11-5 or 10-6. CLE could be 10-6 and own win over Bills. IND could wind up 11-5 or 10-6.
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Here is my question:
He plays a few bad games and the thought is that he is young, needs more time, was known to be a project.
He plays one good game and it is how can you say he is not clearly getting better.
It can be both. He can have a bad game and still have the potential to be a good QB. He can have a good game and still be an awful QB. Point is that until he plays consistently at a certain level there are going to be questions. Until he starts consistently makes good decisions, has proper footwork, shows improved accuracy. One good game against an awful team does not prove either way nor does bad game against a good team.
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Having good players never hurts. Add M Thomas, Hopkins, J Jones, etc to this team and they are clearly better. Do you have to have one to win? No. But you could say the same for any position. It is a team sport. You need some form of balance and/or really good players that enable you to win.
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12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
Yea. The whole he’s great in the 4th quarter is completely overblown. He was awful against Philly in the fourth and made some good throws against the Jets and Bengals to win games against two of the worst in the league.
No idea where the narrative came from that Tyrod couldn’t put together big drives when they needed him to. On top of those you mentioned, he did it a few times in 2016 as well against Seattle and Miami. He just wasn't consistently good enough..... much like Allen isn’t to this point.... good thing for Allen is he’s still young and hopefully still growing in this league.
Short term memory loss and creating a narrative. Fitz had a few as well. And those old enough to remember saw all the Flutie magic. I
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Leave no stone unturned
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58 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Facts are otherwise.
Really? What are these clutch wins we are talking about that separates Allen from the pack?
The win vs a NYJ team that is 2-7? Or the one vs CIN that is 0-9?
I must have missed Tyrod's game winning drives vs. HOU and TEN in 2015 or the TB and ATL games in 2017.
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4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
If you're going to play WHAT IF how about giving Allen Tyrod's O-line and skill players? I can't think of a single skill position that Tyrod didn't have superior supporting talent at.
Then why are they all gone? I thought this team had no talent and McD had to do a complete overhaul?
For the record - This OL is a huge upgrade over any of Tyrod OL. And the 2017 Bills dominating WR's of Zay Jones, Deonte Thompson, Andre Holmes with partial years of Jordan Matthews and KB?
4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:But to come to your conclusion you leave out some important info:
* Tyrod wasn't good enough at $16,000,000 per year. At $5,100,000 per year Allen is.
* Tyrod was at the plateau of his skill set, Allen hopefully is not.
* Tyrod enjoyed a better supporting cast on offense then Allen does. When I hand my QB a more expensive & talented group, then I have higher standards about what is good enough.
Come on . Just wrong. Bad QB play is wrong at any price. Not about the money. No on supporting cast. And if so that is scary to think our GM/Coach have downgraded the talent in year 3 of the process...
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1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:
Allen comes through in the fourth quarter. Taylor didn’t. Big difference.
This is a huge myth. I refuse to give Josh credit for almost losing to awful teams and then fighting tooth and nail, with the help of a dominant defense to beat an awful team. Bad teams are bad mainly because they dont know how to close out games and win. Make some 4th quarter wins vs good teams and then we can talk.
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21 hours ago, rayray808 said:
Josh Allen will do one of two things this week:
- 300 yards + passing
- 3 TD's + passing
FEARLESS = UNLEASH JOSHY
Because he has been choosing or scared to do this in the past? No. Hit on a deep pass and he is over 300.
Top 4 passing QB - No winning records
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The point is you have to be able to pass when you need to. If you a have a good defense then you can control the game and not worry about passing yards, etc. But if you fall behind then you better be able to throw the ball. If Allen had even 1-2 300yd passing games this would be less of a discussion point. He and the Bills of recent years have not shown they can go out there and throw the ball around the field if needed. Doesnt mean you suck. Just that you need to win by controlling the game not in a shootout.