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17 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
I disagree. There are only a handful of guys with the arm talent to get that throw into that window on the run. Could maybe include Stafford in his day but imo there's no other QBs completing that pass.
Most NFL QBs can make that throw if they have time to set their feet and square up on balance. Allen has to duck the DE and jam the ball in that crazy thin margin sidearmed and running...not many guys with that kind of arm.
This is the NFL. Most QB have elite arm talent. Its about using it smartly and consistently. That is why I dont like the one pass shows he can do things no one else can. Go watch every other NFL QB throw passes at practice in games etc. They will all wow you. I played in college and there were QB's that never touched the field that could make amazing throws all the time.
4 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:Just wondering if the NG in your profile name is short for negative ?
That was a great throw that took awareness to see and a special arm to make
Why is that negative. Said it was a great pass. My comment was around the no one else can do this idea.
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37 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
There are only three QBs that can make that throw in the league right now: Mahomes, Rodgers, and Allen.
Not taking anything away from that pass. Fine play indeed. But never like the only so and so can make that play comments. Again great play and awareness stepping up in the pocket, but most QB's in the NFL can make that pass. Dont always do it and neither does Allen, but can.
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30 minutes ago, Rigotz said:
Why are we comparing 2018 stats?
Lamar Jackson has 10 more TD's and 3 less INTs than Josh this year ... and a better record ... and better completion percentage ... and is a better runner.
The reason people have acted like he's better is because he's been better.
He's probably the league MVP right now.
I think most people are talking without watching. Folks should go watch some games and then say it is only because of the system or he would not do well in our system etc. He actually is doing a lot of the same things as Josh. Difference is when he runs he is faster and makes you miss rather. Josh has good speed but not at this level and Josh does not have the same evasiveness. When throwing he has good arm strength to make the throws and has shown great touch. Josh has a stronger arm, but not quite as accurate and Josh needs more work on throwing touch passes. Lastly, both can improvise. Jackson can escape the pass rush and keep plays alive a bit better than Allen.
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16 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:
Between Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, and Deshaun... Josh is by far the most intelligent. You win over the long haul in the NFL with your brain. I have more confidence in Allen to figure out how to beat the cream of the crop defensive gameplans you see in the playoffs than the other guys.
How can you say Josh is by far the most intelligent? Please dont say his wonderlic score.
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32 minutes ago, Putin said:
Last year Josh had to make the best of what he had / to work with ,
what about all this talk about
ITS THE PASSING LEAGUE ??
so we all agree that you can still win in this league by running the ball WELL and playing good defense ?
Have you played QB or coached QB's? Josh last year was clearly a QB having trouble with the speed of the game. Luckily for Josh he is a tremendous athlete which helped offset that to some degree. The point is that is not desirable and not going to lead to long term success. Hence this year he is much improved on and his running numbers are down. Lamar has success running the ball by design. There is no desire for him to run less because he is ditching the pocket. Two different things.
You can win with a balanced attack and good defense. At some point you will need to throw the ball.
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1 hour ago, Putin said:
Last year Josh was running out of his mind , I know he had at least 2 games where he had over 100 yards rushing, and there were few close to a 100 , and correct me if I’m wrong he was criticized by everyone including our own idiots on WRG , cuz all I’ve heard was THIS IS THE PASSING LEAGUE , and that a QB has to be able to throw the ball from the pocket , and how running game / and good defense is sooooo 1970’s !!!!
I couldn’t agree MORE !!!!!
Big difference between running because your not making your reads or not throwing a pass that you should and designed runs. Lets not get confused. Lamar Jackson is running designed runs and making reads throwing the ball. Josh last year was having a hard time and relying on his athletic ability.
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Beat NE 37-20 and the media pays more attention. Then follow that up by scoring 49, 41, 45. That is why he gets so much attention. If he was winning games like the Bills are it would be a different story.
Nothing to see here.
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I would probably prefer someone that has played QB or at least football a bit longer...
24 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:I dont think he's faster or shiftier than Foster or McKenzie, but I like the way you think.
Dude, the way Jackson runs some of those option plays, it was almost impossible to tell who actually had the ball while WATCHING ON TV. Hope the boys maintain their lanes and gap integrity. Gonna be a tough one.
Assignments vs option QB. One player has QB and another the RB. You dont care who actually has the ball. Players learn this in college if not high school and below.
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Daboll. I think our fans place higher valuer on him than the outside world. But who knows - anything can happen. We have seen plenty of people get hired because the story of how smart they are without stats that support the story. Sometimes the story is right and sometimes the stats are right.
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55 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Did they really? Who was here from 2017 on D?
Hughes
Lawson
Alexander
White
Hyde
Poyer
Milano
So 7 of our starting 11...
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I think we need less Lorax and go more nickel and dime. Play him like you do an option QB with a guy assigned the QB and another the RB. Play zone in the secondary, keep him inside the pocket and contained.
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7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
I sort of reserve elite status to HOF caliber players, in which case, few players will fall into that category - particularly in their second season.
What is your definition of elite passers and what are the criteria? It would be easier to debate if we are coming from the same perspective.
I agree. There is a temporary elite - like a Mahomes that has looked like the best at his position but only in a short time period or even the current obsession with L Jackson. Then there is the proven, been there, done that with numbers and victories to support - Brady, Brees, Rodgers type guys.
So much is relative. If say Stafford was on the Bills with this defense what does that do for this team? Or you give Prescott the Bills WR what do his numbers look like? There is team success and individual player success. The Saints kept winning with Teddy B...does that mean he is a good QB or they have a good team and supporting players?
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1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:
I have never said Allen hasn't had his struggles. This 300 yard obsession of yours and Billsfan1972 is ridiculous. Not only did you exagerate, you used an example completely out of context in your constant need to diminish what Allen does to fit your narrative.
Over the last 8 games, among all QBs, he is 5th in total TDs, 5th in TD% per total touches, 13th in YPA, 3rd in fewest turnovers, tied for 3rd in total wins, and a 98.7 QB rating.
And he is still improving
And yet, here Allen and the Bills are: 1 game ahead of Mahomes and the Chiefs, tied with Rodgers and the Packers, and 1 game behind the rest that you mentioned.
But, hey, keep up the crusade...
You must be confusing me. I do not have a crusade. I am simply stating what I think is the obvious. Allen has a ton of room for improvement. If this team had a average or bad defense the entire discussion would be different because the Bills are likely not 9-3.
Allen has yet to join the elite passers. He may never join them. If the Bills can maintain a great defense and good running game they can still win for years to come. If the defense starts to decline they will need a better passing attack and hopefully Allen is up for the challenge at that point. He has all the potential in the world to do that.
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7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
Anyone here would take Brees, Brady and Rodgers. They are HOF QBs. They also have pretty good records in non 300 yard games.
The vast majority of 300 yard games are not by HOF QBs and the record for the last 45 300 yard games in the NFL is 21 wins and 24 losses.
Brady has thrown for 300 yds 5 times this year. Did it 5x last year and 6 the year before.
Rodgers 3x this year and 4x last year
Brees 3x this year (out half year), 6x last year
Mahomes 6x this year, 10x last year
Wilson 3x this year, 1x last year
I could keep listing QB's. Point is not the number of times or using this as the measure of greatness. But the fact that Allen is at 0 is meaningful. He plays more consistent in a number of games this year and he easily passes 300 yds. It is not by design he did not hit 300, rather his inconsistent play in those games. That is who he is at this point. The Bills have adjusted and are back to using his strengths.
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34 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
He has had one game this year where he attempted over 40 passes (41) and that was the Cleveland game. If you remember correctly, he led his team to the go ahead TD with 5:26 left in the game. The defense subsequently gave up an 82 yard TD drive, where they gave up plays of 13, 21, and 24 yards. Allen then, in the last 1:44 of the game, led the team from their own 25 to the Cleveland 35 for a shot at a winning FG. He didn't have a particularly good game and neither did the rest of the team. But, he didn't need 300 yds. He stepped up when they needed him to while the defense and the kicker did not.
He has never been asked to throw for over 300 yds. He has been asked to lead his team to a go ahead score when behind and he has responded over and over.
Why argue this? Everyone has eyes and has seen Allen struggle. Admit that and move on. He has improve and is still improving, but lets not pretend he has chosen not to throw for 300 yards or done enough etc. If he played better in games there would be no need for any late game drives, etc.
And my 40-50 was an exaggeration. But he has thrown the ball 30+ times in 7 games.
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Most if not all are not saying you you need 300 yards at all cost. If your offense is playing well and dominating the game then great whether you throw for 100 or 400 yards. The point was discussed more in that the Bills offense has struggled at times AND Allen was not putting up the yards. That is not the be all end all but is a concern. Especially in some games when he is throwing 40-50 times.
Luckily Daboll has seen the light as of late and realized Allen is not ready to be the 40-50 attempts for 300 yd QB and needs a more balanced approach to be successful. That is what many were clamoring for all along. Play to Allen strengths at this point in his career, which is best suited for a balanced attack resulting in him throwing for closer to 200 than 300 and ideally running for another 50 from Allen and 100 from our RB's.
So both sides are right. No Allen does not need to throw for 300 yds to win. Yes Allen did fail to throw for 300 yds when he was being asked to do so. This offense is built around the run and a balanced attack, not 100% by design but also due to Allen's early career limitations.
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4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
Bills definitely don’t want TEN to beat Houston twice as that could create a scenario that knocks the Bills out at 10-6 if 10th win is vs Jets( which is definitely possible). At least, it’s the only one I found with playoff machine.
I guess my mindset is not on us being at 10-6. That would be a huge letdown given it means losses to BAL, PIT and NE. Higher expectations...must win 1 if not 2 of those games.
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Bills likely playing KC or Houston; Also chance TEN if they can beat HOU twice.
TEN would be best case, but dont see it. Who do we want to play HOU or KC? I have to go HOU because you have to think KC turns it on in the playoffs.
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2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
So, now we are going to disect his game winning drives to show how they are not really game winning drives?
Don't you people ever tire of having to continually find new ways to show Allen really isn't a very good QB, just to prove yourselves right?
Come on now. Your trying way too hard to twist by statement into an attack on Allen. I did not say he isnt a very good QB in my statements. Again, I just said the stats do not paint the entire picture. No different than those who say him throwing for 300 yards does not matter. It is all relative.
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1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:
He is a young QB, playing in his second year, with 9 new starters on offense. They have gotten better throughout the year and, over the last three weeks, they have averaged over 400 yards per game, and won by double digits. If you don't think Allen contributed to that as a passer, then you haven't been watching. So, it seems your argument that you "want him to play well and not need to fight for easy wins" is made at an odd time.
Your other argument that "if you fall behind then you better be able to throw the ball" has been answered as well. It doesn't matter at all about the circumstances in which they fell behind in his 7 GWD - the fact is, when they fell behind, he was able to move the ball and score. And, to be honest, with a reliable kicker, the defense stopping the other team on a last minute drive, and a little better effort on a catch by a receiver, Allen would have 3 more game winning drives.
He is getting better all the time and has answered your arguments. Not sure why you are continuing to make them.
I am not talking at all about his recent play or overall play. My only point was that the game winning drive and comeback win stats get used very liberally and if you actually look at those games they do not meet the argument of what people are generally saying.
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48 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
The point is that you have to be able to move the ball when you need to. Period. Allen's 5 fourth quarter comebacks and 7 game winning drives shows he can do that.
I will play....
3 of the 4 this year were vs CIN, NYJ and MIA. Those were games we had no business needing the late game heroics. JA had played poorly in these games requiring some bad teams to give away games. MIA counts as a comeback but reality is we scored to start the 4th quarter, so technically yes, but not really what I call a comeback win.
Last year he gets credit for:
TEN - We ran the ball basically the entire drive with McCoy and Ivory and kicked a FG to win.
JAC - Tie game and we scored to start the 4th qtr and we scored on 1st play of the 4th qtr from JAC 14. So technically yes, but not really what is a GWD.
DET - Scored with about 10 min left in 4th. Yes gets credit for comeback and GWD but...
I only debate this because I think people use these 7 GWD stats too loosely. Like it shows how he can play when he needs to so nothing else matters. Just not true. I want him to play well and not need to fight for easy wins - win like we did vs DAL and DEN. Lets see the heroics vs NE or BAL this week.
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46 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:
You make all the bitching sound benign. it wasn't. ever.
Why is it bitching? It is undeniable Allen had some games in which he played poorly. The offense was struggling. Hence it is ok to discuss.
As I said, some prefer to look at that and say what do you expect, he has no WR or whatever to dismiss the poor play. Obviously McD/Daboll or whoever realized it as well because there have been big changes in playcalling, game management, player useage, etc. So in reality those with concerns were legit or else there would have been no changes needed.
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5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I think the thing that is missed here, with both Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, is that it's not quite as simple "if you fall behind then you better be able to throw the ball".
It's "if you fall behind, then "3.3 yds and a cloud of dust" won't do it, you better be able to gain some yards on "chunk plays". Now those chunk plays may come on passing plays. Jackson is very good at hitting completions for good chunks of yards at key times. But they can also come on running plays. Jackson is also good at breaking free with his legs at key times.
Recently, the Bills have been doing better at "chunk plays" both passing and rushing (Allen or Singletary). That's important.
I guess we'll see next Sunday because playing against the league's most productive offense, we're going to need our "chunks".
This is a good point. I do still think there is something to passing ability vs. scheme. Both Allen and Jackson at this point are more scheme attacks as you say with both the passing and running abilities. Neither in my mind is that pure passer - Brees, Rodgers, etc. Until you are outschemed I think you can win the Jackson/Allen way. Concern is will the league catch up to you? Both these guys do have arms and can improve their passing abilities and negate that concern over time.
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Haha at all those people that once thought the world was flat. What idiots. Cant believe that. Where are they all hiding now. Wish they would come post on here trying talk that nonsense again.
Why You Shouldn’t Feel Completely Dejected Over Josh Allen’s Poor Performance
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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One game is never something to be completely dejected over. And what we saw in this game was not unusual. This was the bad Josh sneaking out again. He has some bad habits as young QB's do that he cannot seem to shake.
The open receivers he missed were huge. He hits one of those early in the game and it changes things a lot. Balt may have to rethink playing cover 0which they essentially did all game. To me that is the biggest concern still with him and he has to figure that out. We saw Jackson hit the open guy and JA miss the open guy. That was basically the difference in the game.
He also needs to get better at throwing the ball away. Most of his sacks he did have a chance to throw the ball away. Cant take those 10 yards losses.
Wind was actually not bad so not an excuse.
No moral victories. Just because he only played a bit worse than everyone else should not be a positive. He played much worse than Garopollo, who was playing on the road. Muchg worse than Brady who was also on the road. And similar numbers to guys like FInley and Rudolph. Lets not be proud of the that. Higher bar.
Took the one one ones when he got them. They played one on one almost every play...