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    Some concerning Josh Allen stats

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    24 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

     

    Try reading; I know it's asking a lot, but try it...also, if you're going to take pot shots, then man up and respond directly to me, or--failing that--tag me in the post where you mention my username.

     

    For example, I'm willing to be a man and respond directly to you: you've brutally missed the point of my post, and you've provided zero context to support your assertions.  You've distilled an entire discussion of the kid down to his completion percentage, and you've done no analysis and provided zero persuasive points to further the discussion.

     

    So I challenge you: instead of taking shots at someone and spouting one-liners, do a scintilla of work and attempt to make your point.  Have the gumption to take me up on it?

     

    I'm new to the board I didn't know you can @ on here

    Realism about the QB Position

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    1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

     

    Like I said, in quite a few plays he was heaving the ball up in the air; it wasn't throwing into tight coverage. Watch the 2nd half of the game.

     

    One guy can't carry a team; hence my point.

     

    It takes a lot for a team to be great. Correct. Nothing papers over the weaknesses better than a Top QB. 

    Realism about the QB Position

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    3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

     

     

     

    Ouch. Just take your L and move on, bro. 

     

    Sky Diver is killing fools in this thread. Rosen is a fraud.

     

    UCLA's roster was overturned with people declaring. That wasn't the same team but okay. Anyone arguing that UCLA got worse because they suddenly got a Top 3 QB isn't smart.

     

    9 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

    Quarterbacks are 95% crap shoot.

     

    That's why it's not intelligent to give up an entire cupboard of draft picks to get one. Especially when there will still be quality ones available when it's your time to pick.

     

    Mason Rudolph? LOL!

    Previously the "Convince me Allen won't suck" thread, now the... "you're welcome" thread

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    12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    Matt Stafford isn't a good comparison anyways. He was a consensus #1 because on top of his elite arm strength he also regularly threaded the ball into tight windows and was generally accurate. He had better footwork than Josh Allen and he played well against pressure (Allen is terrible with even a small amount of pressure). The questions on Stafford were on his decision making/gunslinger attitude. Rosen is a much better comparison to Stafford IMO. Josh Allen is like Kyle Boller.

     

    Haha this is exactly what people used to say about EJ. Word for word. I hated when we picked him too. Any time a QB is being touted for his "physical tools" you know he is a 2nd round project at best.

     

    The man had the nerve to mention Josh McCown as a success story lol

    Previously the "Convince me Allen won't suck" thread, now the... "you're welcome" thread

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    19 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

     

    Congrats on defaulting to a lazy argument instead of considering the point of the post.  Does his completion percentage need to improve?  Yes.  Can it?  Absolutely; guys do it all the time in the NFL.  Josh McCown was a 51% passer in college; he completed 67% of his passes last year.

     

    What I want to know is if you actually watched the kid?  When does he have accuracy issues?  When he's under immediate duress, and when his footwork gets leaky trying to rush the ball to the perimeter--are those fatal flaws, or can they be corrected?

     

    Let's go man, put a reasonable argument together that doesn't amount to "COMPLETION PERCENTAGE!!1!!1!1!!"

     

    Are we really condemning the kid to doom because he was 1% less accurate in college than Matthew Stafford and 3% less accurate in college than Carson Palmer?

     

    If you're not accurate at Wyoming. You're not going to be accurate in the NFL. It's as simple as that. You're pointing to Matt Stafford as the one QB who's had okay success at the NFL level but completely ignoring the long list of guys who've completely flamed out. 

     

    The Buffalo Bills are not in position to take a chance on a flier like Josh Allen especially considering the cost that it's going to take. 

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    I’m not anxious for Beane to make anymore moves!

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    2 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

    I guess if we were to cast blame, it would have to be on McDermott not Beane since Beane was not here last year to make any draft day decisions. But I can understand why McDermott wanted to kick the can down the road until he got his GM in place. 

     

    They were banking on us being bad enough this year that we would be high enough to take a QB with our first pick. It was worth a shot and I'm glad we made the playoffs. I have no urge to blame McDermott or Beane. I'm happy we have two smart young guys running our team now and I'd go to war for them.

    I’m not anxious for Beane to make anymore moves!

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    1 minute ago, racketmaster said:

    We still can’t blame Beane for this as he was still with Carolina at last year’s draft. If anyone is to blame it would be McDermott as he was calling the shots at that time. McDermott had just arrived in Buffalo and was relying on a scouting staff he did not fully trust. Would it have been smart to trust Whaley to pick his franchise qb if McDermott knew he would be moving on from Whaley after the draft? Qb is the most important position and I believe McDermott wanted to reserve that decision for his new GM since their futures would depend on it. 

     

    I'm not putting blame on anyone. Just being honest about the blowback we will receive if we don't address the QB situation in the Draft with a sure fire kid. We will move up and take our guy this year.

    I’m not anxious for Beane to make anymore moves!

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    3 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

    Beane is simply cleaning up the cap mess and overall roster mess we had from the last regime. This is the reality of hiring a new GM and HC, and its the reason why no matter what happens we have to stick with the McBeaner tandem for 5 years

     

    SO if Beane wants ot trade and deal then I am 1000000% behind him.... Either he'll be a great GM bordering on pure genius or we fire him in 4 years and start from scratch just the same

     

    we were not picking a QB last year knowing full well a new GM was coming and it would be him who gets to build  the roster.

     

    Thats the reality and there was never a scenario where the old GM was going to pick the the QB for the new GM

     

    We did pretty good by trading down, getting more capital for this year and drafting a stud with Tre White but if we fail to get that 'FRANCHISE QB' this year people will absolutely bring up the fact that we let Mahomes get away. New GM/HC or not and they'd be right because anyone with two functioning eyes can see Mahomes is going to be a world beater.

     

    I was calling him QB1 on BBMB leading up to the Draft and was upset we weren't interested. Though I do like we kicked the tires on Trubisky who I think is going to be special too.

    Previously the "Convince me Allen won't suck" thread, now the... "you're welcome" thread

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    5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

    First, ask yourself why you believe that he won't.  It's extremely likely that the answer is going to come down to one thing: you don't like his completion percentage.

     

    I say this because I haven't seen many folks say anything beyond that.  Usually it's not that succinct though; the detractors will say utterly ridiculous things like "he can't hit the broadside of a barn", which right away tells me that they haven't watched a lick of football from the kid.

     

    Why can he succeed?  Well, let's start with the embarrassingly obvious: he's easily the most physically talented QB in the draft.  Huge arm, good athlete, extremely hard worker, and a clean kid off the field.  You can't ask for a lot more than that as a starting point.

     

    Then you start to dig into what he does after the ball is snapped, and you see that he keeps plays alive when he's under pressure, is able to keep his eyes downfield, keeps communication with his targets when scrambling, and has a unique ability to challenge defenses over the top when on the move--that's the kind of thing that can't be defended.  For example:

     

     

    You'll also notice that he makes pre-snap reads like a pro, and is asked to read the whole field, and not the half-field hi-lo type reads to which other QBs (Darnold) are limited.

     

    You want to talk accuracy?  I'll talk accuracy with you no problem.  I think people get way too hung up on completion percentage.  I am more interested in knowing if they've actually watched Allen face teams like Iowa, and saw how he threw the ball.  I also want to know if the same folks were aware that Allen competed against 3 teams that finished in the top-20 pass defense in FBS in 2017 (Air Force, Utah State, and Central Michigan--and in those games he completed 72.7%, 69.2%, and 57.9% of his passes, respectively.

     

    You want to see a kid that can pinpoint the ball, observe:

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I've got more:

     

     

     

     

    And this one...are you kidding me?

     

     

     

    And for my final piece of evidence, I present this play.  The next time someone tells you that this kid sucks, show them this play, and ask them to show you a better play from someone that "doesn't suck":

     

     

     

    My bad Josh Allen is actually an accurate QB and everyone else is wrong. Let's add that to his list of strengths.

     

    SIZE

    ARM

    ATHLETIC

    GOOD KID

    ACTUALLY ACCURATE AND IS SO HUMBLE HE POSTED A 57% COMPLETION PCT SO HE DOESN'T INTIMIDATE THE COMPETITION

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    Realism about the QB Position

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    7 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

    Even with Rosen, who is largely believed to be a savior by many here, UCLA was a mediocre team. Why do you think that he would make a mediocre team great in the NFL?

     

    If you replace Josh Rosen with say the college equivalent of Tyrod Taylor they would be no where near 18-20. UCLA was criminally bad and only stayed afloat because of the singular brilliance of Josh Rosen.

    Previously the "Convince me Allen won't suck" thread, now the... "you're welcome" thread

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    Posted · Edited by FeelingOnYouboty

    12 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

    Maybe he should have incorporated more screen plays to pad his completion percentage, then his accuracy would suddenly be better...

     

    You can tell who actually watches games and who doesn't. He misses spectacularly on routine screens and dumps into the flat. Just wach him v Hawaii 

     

    1 hour ago, elltrain22 said:

    Ok, this is my best shot....

     

    Truth be  told, I was just like you 2 weeks ago. Hated, and was very spiteful about the Bills possibly drafting  Allen. When all  these rumors surfaced about Allen, I did research. I  watched  Matt Waldman's scouting report video (about 35 minutes long).  I also watched many of his games, along with Carson  Wentz whom is his  most compared player. I came away with this....

     

    • Cannon for an arm!! That ball rockets out of  his  right arm with ease. He can  make  some amazing throws!! Sidelines, touch passes, short stuff, deep balls, over the middle, you name it, and he can do it!
    • His accuracy is overblown IMO. Is he as accurate as Mayfield, heck no. But, his receivers were not very good, and dropped alot of his passes, and I think alot of throws he threw incomplete were caught if he played for Oklahoma or USC. 
    • He can  really make plays with his feet. He is very good in  RPO's and read  option situations.
    • He's a humble, hard-working, and determined young man that I  think will be a great leader in  the locker room
    • If he has good coaching & development, he could easily be the best QB of  this class
    • Watch some of his 2016 game film where he  has a little bit better talent around  him,  and  you'll see flashes of brilliance

    I still am team Rosen/Mayfield, and thats who I hope we draft, but I like the idea of Allen, and if he's the one, I'll be excited and trust in our FO

     

    Why do people keep clinging to this narrative that Josh Allen's teammates let him down.

     

    Target drop passes percentages:

    Lamar Jackson – 8.5%
    Baker Mayfield – 8.0%
    Josh Rosen – 7.5%
    Mason Rudolph – 6.6%
    Josh Allen – 4.8%
    Sam Darnold – 4.3%

     

    Look at Lamar Jackson who gets killed for his accuracy issues and look at Josh Allen who people think will magically fix his when he gets to a tougher league than whatever the heck conference Wyoming is in

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