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6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Bradford and Rosen would be amazing
Pretty much what I mean but Rosen should not need to sit.
Let them compete for the starting job in camp, of course. But Rosen isn’t an automatic redshirt
Agreed. I think Rosen could benefit from the Eli treatment, where they had Kurt Warner start the first 8 games of the season. But I think he could certainly start right away. To me, he is the only one in this draft who can.
Mayfield could start right away, but you are going to have to change your offense the way Bill O'Brien did for Watson. I think Allen and Darnold need a year or two.
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I have to say yes, simply because we made the playoffs.
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Small connection, but a connection nonetheless, our tight end coach was with the Rams during a couple of years of Bradford's tenure there. He was OC after Bradford was traded.
In fact Boras has coached Bradford, Foles, and Case Keenum.
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Bear with me here, but I have been thinking about this for awhile. While we are in smokescreen season, I do think that all signs point to a trade up for the Bills. Typically, general managers and front office personnel are most comfortable making deals and having conversations with people they know and trust. There is a a lot of nepotism and good ole boys networks. It is one of the reasons Belichick traded Jimmy G. to San Francisco without even shopping him to anyone else. There is a ton cronyism that happens and I think this could benefit the Bills this year. How the top of this draft goes depends on three people: John Dorsey, David Gettelman, and Chris Ballard. Interestingly, all three are connected to McDermott and Gettleman is connected to McDermott and Beane. My basic premise here is that all of these guys can get together and make sure that the top four picks in the draft go the way they want them to go.
Dorsey, like McDermott, is an Andy Reid guy through and through. They go all the way back to the Green Bay Mike Holmgren days. They work for years together in Kansas City and McDermott was willing traded down 17 spots so that KC could get their quarterback of the future last year. They helped each other out. McDermott knew full well that KC was going up to get Mahomes, because they likely told him.
Gettelman is connected to both McDermott and Beane. Our GM Beane was basically Gettleman's apprentice. Beane's success as a general manager should be important to Gettelman. He also has a working relationship with Sean McDermott.
Chris Ballard in Indy is also a KC Andy Reid guy. He hasn't been around as long, but basically was Dorsey's right hand man and apprentice in KC. He is a part of the coaching/front office tree.
So there are the connections. These guys can all get together and make the top of the draft go the way they want. Dorsey can take Barkley at 1 and assure himself Darnold at four by talking to Gettleman, Beane, and Ballard. Ballard can make sure he is going to get his hands on Chubb and can assure Dorsey he will not trade out. Beane could assure Dorsey that we are going to take Rosen so he can get Darnold at 4. GMs have conversations like this all of the time. Smokescreens are sent out a lot, but generally, people who know each other communicate about who they are going to pick. By engaging each other, they can control the top four of the draft and keep people like the Jets, Broncos, and Cards out of the top 4. Is it collusion? Kind of, but their is nothing wrong or illegal about it.
Now on to motivation.
The Browns should want to do this so that they can get Barkley at 1 and make sure they can get the quarterback they want at 4. The only issue with this is if the Bills and Browns want the same guy. However, with the Browns trade for Tyrod Taylor, I am assuming the Bills and Browns are looking for different things at the quarterback position.
The Giants should trade back. They have no offensive linemen and their defense is switching to a 3-4. They also have very little cap. They need all of the picks they can get. A trade back would help the Giants quickly get themselves back into contention. If they draft a quarterback, they are punting on the rest of Eli's career. If they know Dorsey is going to take Barkley, they may be more motivated to trade out.
Indy needs to take Chubb They are switching to a 4-3 defense and their personnel does not fit. By engaging the other GMs at the top, Ballard can assure himself that Chubb will be there. If the Giants won't go for a trade down, Indy could consider it as well. Their offensive line is shoddy at best and their defensive transition is going to require different personnel.
These connections and conversations allow these GMs to dictate how the top of the draft is going to go. The Browns, Colts, and Bills can assure themselves "their guy" while the Giants can rebuild their team in one fell swoop.
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7 hours ago, FearLess Price said:
This means their keeping eli apple
I think Apple and Jenkins are much better fits for what new DC James Bettcher wants to do. I suppose Apple is getting a clean slate with new people at the helm. I could see them being all over the Honey Badger if he winds up being released. However, the Giants are in a tough ca space place because they have no offensive line and they are switching to a 3-4...all the more reason for them to trade down for multiple picks.
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Could be Brees' agent trying to leverage the Saints. If I'm Brees I am checking in with Arizona. Dome team with Larry Fitzgerald.
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The Foles thing is interesting because of his contract. It is really cheap, which would allow the team to use money elsewhere, and I think he is young enough that you don't have to move up to draft a quarterback this year. I prefer jumping up and drafting Rosen, but I think the Foles thing makes sense.
My question is, does that contract void next year regardless of what team he is on? Or is it a provision that is specific to the Eagles. If he is coming with that contract, he is definitely worth a second round pick and then you have a ton of flexibility in the draft. That said, I still think we want Rosen and I think Foles winds up in Arizona.
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5 minutes ago, Manther said:
Coyle is a FA?
Yes Coyle is a UFA
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I think it depends on who you are drafting. If you aren't going to trade up or need a guy for 1-2 years I would probably go Bradford or Keenum.
If if you are signing a guy to be the guy I guess you go after Bridgewater or McCar on, who are both still young. The other option would be a trade for Foles.
If you trade up for Josh Rosen you sign a guy to basically start 4-8 games this year while Rosen gets ready. That could be a much older guy who isn't all that impressive. That could be McCown, Matt Moore, Chad Henne..something along those lines.
Any way you slice it you absolutely must have a veteran in the quarterback room. It can't be like Peterman and a rookie. What the Bills do this week is going to give us a good idea of what their draft plans are imo.
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10 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:
He’s a sure fit in this defense but probably has just 2-3 (at most) of playing at a high MLB level. The move would not surprise me, but as some point you have to think McDermott wants a “Luke Kuechly” for his defense.
Agreed. I think that guy has to come from the draft.
However, I mentioned Brock Coyle above, but all of his pro day number were comparable to Kuechly. I think he could be a sleeper, under teh radar guy for our defense.
Here is Coyle's pro day:
Pre-draft measurables Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yard dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert jump Broad BP 6 ft 1 in
(1.85 m)235 lb
(107 kg)32.5 in
(0.83 m)9.38 in
(0.24 m)4.60 s 1.60 s 4.28 s 6.74 s 37.0 in
(0.94 m)9 ft 7 in
(2.92 m)25 rep Here is Kuechly's combine:
Pre-draft measurables Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yard dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert jump Broad BP Wonderlic 6 ft 3 in
(1.91 m)242 lb
(110 kg)31 in
(0.79 m)9 3⁄4 in
(0.25 m)4.58 s 1.63 s 4.12 s 6.92 s 38.1 in
(0.97 m)10 ft 3 in
(3.12 m)27 reps 34 Avery Williamson is going to be expensive, but were are his numbers:
Pre-draft measurables Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yard dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert jump Broad BP 6 ft 1 in
(1.85 m)246 lb
(112 kg)32 3⁄4 in
(0.83 m)9 1⁄2 in
(0.24 m)4.66 s 4.07 s 7.11 s 30 1⁄2 in
(0.77 m)10 ft 0 in
(3.05 m)25 reps All values from NFL Combine[5] I know athletic ability isn't everything, but I found it interesting that Coyle had such impressive numbers, and again had a really nice year for the Niners. He is now listed at 6-1, 245 so he got bigger. Coyle could be the under the radar Poyer-Hyde type of signing that no one sees coming.
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10 minutes ago, folz said:
Serious question here. Am I just not remembering how free agency works? Or does it seem like it is awfully late in the process (on the eve of the tampering period) to still have no news about any of our own free agents? Have they tendered the ERFAs (O'Leary, Thomas, Yarbrough)? What is happening with Kyle? Are they resigning anyone?
Does assigning tenders and resigning players always happen this late and I am just forgetting? (Did the creation of the tampering period bring this on?) And we will see a ton of activity on Monday and Tuesday of teams locking up some of their own guys? Or is this just the style of the new regime (to wait to gather as much intel as possible first)? Or are they really letting everyone go? None of the guys seem irreplaceable (except Kyle), but it is a lot of guys to replace. The team would then have to be very active in the 2nd and 3rd tier of FA and/or snag a lot of UFAs after the draft, just to fill out the roster.
There was a report that Yarborough was coming back. I just think this front office is pretty tightly sealed, so you don't hear a ton of information like we are used to in the past.
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Another under the radar guy is Brock Coyle. He is a small school guy from Montana who runs a 4.6. Was an UDFA who bounced around. He started his career with the Seahawks, and just had a really nice year for the 49ers. Gritty small school player? Seems like a good fit. I could see McDermott liking him.
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I wouldn't love it. I really like Matt Milano as a WILL. I think this team needs a MIKE and a SAM. I really like the idea of Christian Jones as a SAM backer. He has been kind of miscast as a 3-4 ILB in Chicago. In a 4-3 Under the SAM is a two down player, but Jones played some DE at FSU. He'd effectively replace Lorax. Jones also has super long arms, which helps when lining up over the tight end.
At the MIKE I think you go after Tahir Whitehead or Avery Williamson. You look to see if the Pats release Shea McClellin. I'd also be willing to take a flyer on Brian Cushing. Outside of that, I think you have to find your MIKE in the draft whether it's Evans or Vander Esch or whatever. Preston Brown should be gone.
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28 minutes ago, 1billsfan said:
I think that Baker Mayfield would be the most likely. The only reason I'm saying this is not because of any lack of drive or effort, but more so that his personality seems the most volatile and he's made a few irrational decisions. Is it a flaw, or is it just immaturity?
I think his volatile nature is a flaw in him as the little guy who has to contstantly prove himself all of the time. I think that can cause a person to be defensive. I agree and I think he definitely has the potential to get fat. I just don't like his body type and I'm not sure he will be able to take the pounding the NFL will bring.
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Playing center in the SEC with all of those great defensive tackle is tough, so I will buy Ragnow. He can play guard as well. The rest of it is cool with me. I prefer Josh Rosen, but Mayfield is interesting. I don't think McBeane will draft him though.
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I could see Leonard Johnson, Kyle, and Thompson back. Shamarko Thomas was really good on special teams at the end of the year. Pretty much it for me.
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Awesome article. Thanks for sharing.
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I interesting concept but I'm not sure it says much. Whether a guy was traded up for is really just statistics and semantics and has nothing to do with their success or lack of success.
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Anyone who hates Nate and likes Mason Rudolph confuses me. Similar arm strength, Nate is the better athlete with bigger hands, plus his footwork and ability in a pro style offense makes him much more ready for the NFL. Rudolph is tall. Nfl.com gave Peterman a slightly better prospect grade. They compare Peterman to Kirk Cousins and Rudolph to Christian Ponder. Just sayin.
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Keenum has some history with Rob Boras, our tight end coach who was his OC in LA. I still think he winds up in Denver as the bridge if they can't get Cousins. Kubiak had Keenum for awhile and is clearly in Elway's ear.
Foles has has history with Boras, David Culley, and ofcourse Andy Reid.
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There are definitely stand out quarterbacks in this draft, but they are all very different so it's hard to compare. Rosen is the 5 star recruit, intelligent precise passer with the big arm. Darnold is the guy coaches and scouts love with all the inagibles and athletic ability. Allen is the prototype, massive athletic quarterback with an amazing arm. Mayfield is the undersized fiery wolverine who just simply makes plays. Lamar Jackson is probably one of the all time most electrifying players to come out of college football.
There are in fact 5 standout guys in this draft in my opinion. However, with the way college is going I think NFL teams have to find the one that fits best. Back in the day it was really easy to compare quartbacks. They were all kind of cut from the same cloth. This is not true anymore. To me Rosen is the guy that could fit any team's offense, but to say there are no standout quarterbacks in this draft just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Will they all make it? Likely not, but they are certainly standout players. After number five there is a huge drop off and a bunch of JAGS.
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23 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:
One more point. The bet here is that Foles is the target and the hint of interest in McCarron/Keenum/etc. is designed to leverage the Eagles. No matter the primary target though, McBeane seems way too sharp not to have something solid on the runway before trading Taylor.
I agree. It makes sense to leverage the Eagles. I would think the two teams interested in Foles are us and Arizona.
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3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
I thought he was saying a Stanford/UCLA conference rivalry would prevent Elway from drafting Rosen.
Yeah I don't know. That comma in there got me all confused, but that makes sense.
I agree with you that that should have no bearing on the choice.
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48 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Why would he care about that if his scouts assess Rosen as the best QB?
I think he meant that Elway would want Rosen, not Allen. Not sure though. Damn interwebs
Six Degrees of Separation - McBeane Edition
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Thanks for the reply.
I hear you, but these guys are professionals and they don't generally burn bridges. Andy Reid fired Sean McDermott and they still have a ton of love for each other. I think GMs talk openly with GMs they are connected to. I don't think they keep a ton of secrets from those they trust.
To me, if you are the Browns and you talk to the people you know well, you don't have to trade up. you can just kind of wait. Just my 2 cents.