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    Tyrod is a franchise QB

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    47 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

     

    you said defense wins championships, end of story. I just pointed out it wasn't the end of the story, even considering the margins.

    Just to get the time line right I said that after you already had said that the idea that defense wins games was a reach.  I was pointing out to you that it's not a reach and is in fact very relevant. 

    Tyrod is a franchise QB

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    Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

     

     

    out of the what, 50+ superbowls played, I would be curious to see if every sb winning team won solely because of their defense?

     

    there has to be some kind of stat for that given there is a stat for everything, even how many times a player farts during a game, no?

     

    as for your "Defense wins championships, end of story." it's really not the end of the story. 

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/06/does-defense-really-win-championships

     

    On this last point, casual fans might have suspected as much. Why? Because defense wins championships. Coaches of all levels and sports have said so for years. This isn’t even a locker room cliché. It’s hardened into one of the organizing principles of team sports.

     

    Except that it ain’t necessarily so. What we found: when it comes to winning championships – or winning in general, for that matter – defense and offense carry uncannily similar weight. Among the 49 NFL Super Bowls, the better defensive team, measured by points allowed that season, has won 30 times. The better offensive team has won 25 times. It’s a slight edge to defense, but it’s a pretty close call, and not different from random chance. The Super Bowl champ has been a top-five defensive team during the regular season on 31 occasions. How many times was the Super Bowl champ ranked among the top five in offense? 27. Damn near even.

     

    But we’re talking about only 49 games, so let’s broaden the sample size. There have been 462 NFL playoff games held over the last 49 seasons. The better defensive teams have won 58 percent of the time. The better offensive teams have won 62 percent of the time. Slight edge to the offense, but, again, pretty even. (Sometimes the winning team is better both offensively and defensively, which explains why the total exceeds 100 percent.)

    Collectively, teams with a top-five defense have won 180 playoff games. Teams with a top-five offense have won 184 games. Accounting for almost 10,000 regular season games, the better defensive team has won 66.5 percent of the time compared to 67.4 percent of the time for the better offensive team. Again, a negligible difference.

     

    according to their findings, having a stellar defense does not end the story.

     

    31 to 27 equals not reaching.  I never said you do not need or want an offense but the idea that offense overcomes defense is absurd and those numbers only prove that.  I've looked it up before, SB not playoffs, and Ben, Brady, Flacco all had spectacular defenses or when they won superbowls and when they didn't they came up short.

     

    Tyrod is a franchise QB

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by Maine-iac

    6 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

     

    also, I don't put wins/losses solely on the back of the QB. pretty obvious all phases have to be clicking but it is pretty evident that the play of the QB and how he controls and leads the offense plays a pretty critical part when winning or losing games.

     

    anyone who feels that it falls more on the defense or special teams is really reaching. 

    If this was true  everyone would like Tyrod.  Clearly many people want Tyrod to win no matter what the rest of the team does.  Defense wins championships, end of story.  Clearly offense helps but there is overwhelming evidence that teams that keep the other teams from scoring statistically win more championships.  It's not really surprising and certainly not reaching.

    Tyrod is a franchise QB

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    Posted · Edited by Maine-iac

    37 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

    This thread is going to be really fun at around 4. 

    What everyone does time and time again is attribute wins and loses directly to Tyrod.  We will most likely win or lose based on how well the defense plays.  Typically Tyrod plays well enough to win almost every week.  He doesn't play well enough to carry the team on his back with no defense and wide recievers dropping balls but he also doesn't lose winnable games by throwing picks and completely missing recievers all game like Stanton on Thursday night.  So if the defense plays well and we don't have a ton of penalties and turnovers I'd give us an 80 percent chance of winning.  Defense gets annahilated and we get a ton of drive killing penalties on offense I give us a 10 percent chance of winning.  It's never really on Tyrod one way or the other.  He's really just consistently good.  Not great.  Not bad.  He needs a decent team effort.  That is it.

    Kelvin Benjamin putting in time

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    2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

    My concern with Tyrod as quarterback is he's reluctant to throw the ball unless the receiver is clearly open.  He needs to trust Benjamin to win those 50/50 balls.  I like the acquisition of Benjamin because now Tyrod has no excuses and whether we move on from him or not will be decided in the next eight games.

    I've seen Taylor throw it up a few times.  The throw to Hunter in the Titans game is a good example.  I think trust and a demonstrated ability will go a long way.  If KB looks like a ball catching monster and you just throw it near him I think Taylor will develop a trust throwing him a contested pass.  I'm hoping we finally have someone who doesn't get out muscled on slants and can actually make a back shoulder catch.  We've seen some pretty routine drops and a lot of difficult drops.  It would be nice to see someone catch everything.

    Tyrod is a franchise QB

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    Posted · Edited by Maine-iac

    18 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

    A list will not help me change my mind on Tyrod. When I see Tyrod out there and the other team stacks the box to make him be a QB and he fails miserably I have made my mind up that I want better. I want a QB that teams will be afraid to make be a QB

     

    FYI, I do not think he is terrible, he would be a good backup because he plays exactly like one.

    Please define fails miserably because there are a number of QB's that would do far worse then Taylor with no running game, banged up WR's, and a line that's taking the night off.  They weren't rushing 5 because they aren't afraid of Taylor.  They're rushing 5 because they aren't afraid of our WR's.  Put a healthy* Sammy out there and they wouldn't rush 5 all night.  That's why I'd like to see more of Thompson on the field.  That is why he's producing when he gets a chance.

     

    If franchise is Brady or Rogers, you win, not arguing that.  Most likely that is where people look with that reference so I get it if people say he's not "franchise".  0utside of that though, Rivers, Smith, Mariota, and a host of others all need a decent team effort to win and Taylor fits somewhere in that group.  He definately is a capable starter and until we have someone better all the talk is just noise.

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