Maine-iac
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13 hours ago, Maine-iac said:
Before 2019 is there a receiver other than Owens who led Buffalo in receiving that wasn't drafted by Buffalo? I'm too lazy to look it all up but I can't think of one. Mind you I only remember back to Reed and Burkett in the late 80's.
10 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:Lofton
Brown
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Lewis
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All had a few good seasons for the Bills. None of them led the team in receiving before 2019. I'll be honest I don't remember Lewis?
So I went back and looked some of it up. Bill Brooks led the team in 95. So other than one season from Owens and Brooks you can go back to Frank Lewis (found the Lewis you must have referenced) before you find a WR who wasn't drafted by Buffalo and led the team in receiving.
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Before 2019 is there a receiver other than Owens who led Buffalo in receiving that wasn't drafted by Buffalo? I'm too lazy to look it all up but I can't think of one. Mind you I only remember back to Reed and Burkett in the late 80's.
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That's why you get a top 5 QB with a top 5 TE and mix and match veterans and draft picks at WR with team friendly contracts. NE and then the Chiefs working that game. Possibly throw in TB with Gronk and Brady to further that argument. Just realized Eagles leading reciever was Ertz when they beat the Pats in 17.
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I have to believe with Brady that Kincaid and Cook are going to be the focus passing and running. Coleman fits a ball control passing game. Claypool can play the Gabe Davis field stretcher part if he has his head right. It's possible the loss of Big Ben and the arrival of Pickens cemented his demise in Pittsburg. Not many WR's leave Chicago better than they arrived. I'd have to hope he has more upside than Sherfield.
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Everything I didn't like about Claypool was between his ears. He has his head right he definitely is someone defenses have to pay attention to.
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Just rewatched the Cover1 report on Diggs getting traded and this segment here says a lot about how and why we ended up with Coleman. It might be part of a Brady makeover to have a big wideout who lends himself to RPO's and bubble screens. Definitely worth a listen.
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3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
I don’t think he will be targeted 40 yards downfield a ton but I do think he will be asked to run plenty of crossers, etc… in addition to those deep routes.
I also hope occasionally he will catch the ball short and be asked to run a long distance
Just make him watch AJ Brown and Deebo tape all day.
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3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
As I just remarked in another thread, my disappointment with the WR room does not indicate radical pessimism with regard to the team. I still expect to win the division, though I'm not presuming such. I don't see a likely SB run, but I wouldn't say impossible. I don't at all engage in fantasy football. I don't care about stats so much as wins, but I'd rather roll teams than play close games. I'm getting too old for the stress.
If the defense would show up but that's another can of worms ..................
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1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Yeah, that's my thing. I don't believe he's going to be asked to run straight line deep routes very much. So how does Brady use him and what can they do to incorporate what he does do well. Out routes? Hook routes? I think he's going to feast in that 11-20 yard range...and I don't think anyone is going to out hustle or out work him to the ball.
That was always a big complaint I had with Gabe Davis. Seemed like far too often when a DB got position on him to make a play on the ball Gabe was a bit passive. Resulted it a fairly high INT% when targeted. I don't see that problem with Coleman.
Those damn routes Mike Evans runs where he cuts in then up the field and back out (can't remember what they call them). A big WR with good hands and a good first 10 yards can probably make money on that.
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7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Yes, let's use the abysmal performance of the WR room the second half of last year as the low bar threshold by which to measure what will be considered acceptable performance or not this year. The offense struggled. Maybe it won't with Brady and the new players, but I'm not all that confident about it. Kincaid is going to have to be the main target, I think, so I hope he has a leap and not a sophomore slump year.
I mean they did average 27 points over the last 7 games. Our best receivers over that stretch will be back. Our best receivers from the playoffs will be back and we averaged 28 points in the playoffs. I hate to be the one with all the optimism but it doesn't all have to be gloom and doom. Maybe you don't take one of our WR's for your fantasy team but that doesn't mean we can't win.
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4 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Cooper Kupp was a solid WR for years and then exploded as a triple crown winner with Stafford at QB. Then he battled some injuries and they brought in Nakua and he did great.
thats a far different situation than adding Coleman and Samuel to Shakir.
KC’s offense has been fine because Mahomes is great, but their offense is far less potent since trading Hill. Conversely, Miami’s offense exploded after adding Hill to pair with Waddle.
It’s the talent. And we don’t have much proof we have it. Which was the point.
Miami's exploded offense and KC's far less potent offense still equals a KC SB win. I'm not saying we couldn't use a Tyreek Hill but I'm also not afraid of running the ball with Cook and throwing it to Kincaid 120 times and working in the WR's. Teams were playing shell defenses on us all day. Short stuff was easy money it's about time we built a team that takes it. They play us tighter Shakir, Samuels, and Cook can all run by someone with the right match ups. I'd actually take the Wr's we have over the ones that played against the Chiefs (given Diggs had a horrible game anyway) and we should have had 27 points on the Chiefs. More if Diggs or Sheffield could catch.
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4 minutes ago, FireChans said:
The point I was responding to was inferring the 2023 Rams receiving core was as unheralded as the 2024 Bills. Which is not true. Not sure what point you’re making.
I was under the impression Shaw was saying the scheme would get guys open (because that's what he said) and you were saying those other teams had star athletes and that's what everything was built around. In NE, KC, or on the Rams the offense will move on whether it's Kupp, Welker, Rice, Edelman, Nacua, or Tyreek. Given our offense played well down the stretch and Shakir was our best WR over that period I'm not feeling down on the offense.
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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Huh?
Outside of leading the league in receiving I guess. Might be the scheme and not Kupp. Kupp was out the first month Nacua was the offense.
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Yards or catches? I think Kincaid has 80 plus catches. Shakir probably leads in yards.
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40 minutes ago, FireChans said:
When Puka Nacua joined the Rams, Cooper Kupp already had a 1900 yard season in the NFL and a SB MVP.
When Sam LaPorta joined the Lions, St. Brown had over 2k yards and 11 TD’s through two seasons.
When Rice joined the Chiefs, Travis Kelce was already a surefire HoFer, a two time champion, and probably the best TE of all time.
When Keon Coleman joined the Bills, Shakir had 611 yards and 2 TD’s. Curtis Samuel also was coming off 600+ yards. Kincaid was coming off 600+ yards.
are we getting punk’d?
What ever would Nacua have done without Kupp around?
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1 minute ago, Orlando Tim said:
I have to assume that most of the people roasting our receiver talent did not watch the last 8 games of last year when we went on our winning streak. Our offense did not run through Diggs, it ran through Josh and then through Cook, then through Shakir. Diggs was able to be jettisoned because they have a plan to have Josh play like the GB offense last year, everyone is involved. We likely won't have a 1000 yard receiver this year, but we might have 4 guys with 700.
I'm buying all of this. Shakir might have a sneaky 1,000 yard season but it would be more like Beasley's 2020 season than any of Diggs seasons. Kincaid leads in catches and Shakir in yards and possibly a healthy Knox is back catching TD's. Hopefully Coleman is Gabe Davis with better consistency week to week.
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I know it's not a stat but watching Coleman run and catch at the combine makes me think an NFL coordinator can use that to create catches. I don't think he's going to just run by anyone but if teams are playing shell coverage the way Coleman was running and catching on the run makes me think he'll be like Gabe down the field but with more upside running across the field underneath. Like many have said we'll have to wait and see but at least they addressed the WR position.
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Aaron Williams? Bills second round pick at corner. Eventually was our starting safety.
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Not saying I'd actually be good at it but scouting dept. would be amazing. Literally get paid to watch football.
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Anyone else notice how much Shakir was outside. I noticed he was lined up outside on his TD catch and then rewatched the video and when he wasn't in motion he was outside a lot. Not saying he's our new starter outside instead of the slot but he was definitely making plays out there.
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I can't think of a player not named Allen who is more physical than Knox. He'll truck a guy or out jump him and we don't have many players left who do that. They over paid him and that's his biggest crime and the reason I'd question his roster spot.
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I'm not saying Diggs wasn't a great receiver but our run into the playoffs and then in the playoffs I'm not even sure Diggs led in yards or catches and the offense was still playing pretty well. It's not like he doesn't leave a hole that needs to be filled but if we draft someone who can step in and contribute it will not only help as we eat Digg's dead cap but for a several years beyond that. I would love to see a big dose of Kincaid, Shakir, a good running game, and then a young guy (on a rookie contract) that can compete outside. I'm sure Mahommes misses Hill but he's still lifting Lombardis none the less.
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On 3/14/2024 at 9:39 PM, Coach Tuesday said:
Gonna go out on a limb and guess that math isn’t your strong suit.Good one. You're an awesome person. I know I'm bad at math but 100 percent of the fans I've encountered that were douche bags have been online. How's that for math? I watch the Bill's play in NE every year and there are less jerks at their stadium than there are on here.
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He played just well enough the last half of his last season here that you almost wonder if you'll miss him. Then you remember he sucked 90 percent of his time here.
Add 2 Bills draught players in their prime, and add to 2024 Bills roster
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Bring back George Wilson ............. he could play safety or wide receiver. Joking aside I'd love to have a young Gilmore and Dareus on defense. Gilmore was the picture of a shutdown corner for several seasons. Not so much under Rex. Dareus was great in the 4-3 with Schwartz and we saw a noticeable difference when the traded him away before we made the playoffs. I might be overly optimistic that Miller will show some return to form otherwise Schobel might get the nod over 1 of those picks.