Maine-iac
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Why are we not ready for pressure? We don't have a play for that?
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1 minute ago, Einstein said:
Nonsense.
Jones scores 9 times out of 10 in that same situation.
Defense made a great play.
McD’s comment that we have to throw it in the endzone should be pointed at Brady, considering we had ZERO receivers in the endzone.Then you throw it away and take the points ................. wow deja vu
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Just now, finn said:
He would have caught that pass Cook dropped, that's for sure.
I get anxious every time the throw Cook the ball down the field. He's usually open but is he going to catch it?
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Would love to see us just go Cowboys on these mofos. Just run Cook and Lenny until it hurts.
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1 minute ago, Best Williams Available said:
Everyone does. When Josh is on someone else off. It can’t be that way.
Truth
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We can move the ball at will without the turnovers. Allen needs to get his crap together.
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The throws are wide open just by the scheme. Running game is working fine. Throwing the ball to the other team or running around for ten minutes and doing something dumb is not helping. Pick up some positive yardage and go down or throw it the f away. We don't need hero ball .............. we have a TEAM that can play. Play within the game plan.
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Just now, DapperCam said:
But the play call was to throw it short of the endzone obviously…evidenced by zero pass catchers being in the end zone. Why would Allen throw it away instead of following the play design?Then there are multiple bad decision makers. At this point that would not surprise me either.
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Just now, Einstein said:
Or was he calling out Brady.
Because if McD wants Allen to throw it into the endzone, WHO does he want him to throw it to?
There was not a single Bills receiver in the endzone!!!!!!
Not a single one!!!
Then throw it away and take the points.
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I mean Cook dropped one but c'mon .....
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1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
So at minimum WR in Round 1.
In this scenario we’re going all in on that player.
Because it’s Diggs, R1, Shakir, Shorter and Harty.
So do your plan, let Sherfield walk, and bring in a <$5M vet FA.
In this scenario, if Shakir takes another large step forward and the R1 WR can give you 800+ yards, you might be ok.Keep Harty, hope Shorter becomes playable and come out of FA with a low cost veteran that is better than Sherfield.
Can we boot Harty and Sherfield and take a 2nd WR in the 5th or 6th who can return punts and use the money to sign Josh Reynolds? I don't think we'd bring him in as WR 2 or 3 but he's probably what we wanted when we signed Sherfield.
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2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
They're both half of a great TE right now, which is pretty much the best 98% of NFL TEs can hope for. Knox has probably peaked, but I think he could be a dangerous weapon in the right system. Kincaid looks good in the open field hopefully he'll add size, grit and improve overall in his awareness and skillset to reach a higher potential. I don't expect either of them to be "The next Kelce".
If the last game was an indication of what they might do with Kincaid going forward I'm excited. Knox does play with a toughness that I like to see on the field. I'm glad we have both given injuries over the course of a season.
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Just throwing it out there, would you rather have Knox's 21 season or Kincaid's 23?
49 catches 587 yards 9TDs
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66 catches 589 yards 2TDs
both in 15 games
I think Kincaid is having a good season and is a good TE. That said I like Knox's toughness and what he brought to the offense. I'm not sure if you are only putting one on the field that we're better off with Kincaid. I repeat this isn't a knock on Kincaid.
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We don't use designed quick passes (outside of WR screens). Quick slants or quick hits straight up the seam are not something we use more than once or twice a game. I was actually looking at Kincaid(23) vs Knox (21 and 22) Kincaid has more catches but the yards are pretty similar and Knox seemingly is a better jump ball option in the end zone. Knox was/is more physical and frequently trucked guys for big yardage. Kincaid is what we thought he was .......... a big receiver. We set up for deep throws every drop back and occasionally work screens with mediocre success. Quick passes are just not a thing in this offense. If they just took a few drives and looked short first and long later Shakir and Kincaid would probably eat teams up and it would open up things for Diggs and Davis. I also thougtht we would never in a million years show any commitment to a running attack but here we are.
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10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
every young TE wants to "put up" GOAT numbers, lol. it's pretty unlikely. this Offense won't be running through Kincaid.
I wasn't being serious.
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12 hours ago, HappyDays said:
Joe spends the first 15 minutes or so of his all-22 review breaking down the offense. It's a good listen. He came away more encouraged than he felt after the live viewing.
Specifically he felt a lot more encouraged about Allen's performance. He charted 16 failed drop backs out of 34 total. He assigned blame to Allen for 4 of them (3 misfires, 1 poor decision), the OL for 5 of them, and the pass catchers for 7 of them. Like me he felt that Allen's interception was more on Sherfield and that Allen read the play correctly.
It's probably too late to fix the offense unfortunately. Our WRs are not suddenly going to improve. Maybe Torrence can play better but I think it's past the point in his rookie season where he's suddenly going to learn how to win against an inside move.
One encouraging thing is almost of all the negative drop backs came in the 1st half, really just the 1st quarter. So it was more a slow start than an all around awful performance. Joe thought that Brady did a great job coordinating the offense and giving plenty of opportunities for plays to be made, the players just didn't execute frequently enough.
I catch the show on youtube so I watched it instead of listening but either way he was saying our interior line wasn't holding up well and Allen didn't have time for plays to develop. Although I'm rewatching the game now and I was going over each down just reached the FG that made it 13 to 7. I only have one major take. Shakir is open all the damn time. Allen throws to Kincaid, double covered miss, Shakir open other side. Allen holds the ball throws Diggs incomplete, Shakir wide open on a slant probably catches it for 7 but easily runs for more. Allen looks Kincaid and Shakir wide open for what would have been a TD. None of this is a knock on Allen. I'm guessing Shakir isn't Allen's first or even second read but I'm starting think maybe he should be. So far Sherfield, Cooks, and Knox all have drops.
The Knox drop (got a personal foul penalty) .......... Shakir open deep on a post.
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11 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:
It would be highly optimistic to think that a rookie WR will immediately rise to #1 , not to mention an unfair expectation of him. The way I see this playing out:
- Davis leaves
- WR is picked in top 2 rounds with the intent of becoming # 1
- Diggs* transitions to #2 role and stays with the Bills
- Harty and Sherfield are gone
- Shakir is expected to be #3 and will solidify his spot there
- A 30 something WR is picked up to be the #4
*I think his decline in production is due to injury and not due to him suddenly hitting a wall. He has very reliable hands and will be a good mentor for a rookie. However, the unknown factor is if Beane asks him to take a paycut - will Diggs agree or pout and leave?
Or we run the offense through Kincaid who starts to put up Kelce numbers and Diggs can slowly decline over a couple seasons and ride off into the sunset
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30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Most completed deep passes that I see across the NFL are underthrown. It's not the norm that you see one like that perfectly dropped in the bucket and allowing the pass catcher to coast into the endzone. It happens but it's low percentage unless it's someone like Tyreek Hill where it's practically impossible to overthrow them so you can be more loose with the depth of the throw. Typically completed deep passes involve the intended receiver slowing down or completely stopping and making a play at the catch point because they've given themselves enough space to gain leverage.
I really do think that if Austin hadn't broken back towards Kincaid it would have been either a completed pass or a DPI. It's almost impossible for a DB two steps behind his man and with his back to the QB to disrupt that pass without committing DPI.
I just don't see the throw. Kincaid isn't fast enough (step or not) to out run a corner down the field and 28 was already breaking on it before Allen threw it. I do know a rb covered by a DT is a huge mismatch and I'll continue to say that's my play all day. At the very least if you are going to heave it up there to someone who's only advantage is their size you better get it to them so they can jump for it and not leave it 5 yards short. Long and short of it I'm sick of the turnovers. That's probably why I like Brady running the ball. If you can't play a game with a lead against a toothless offense without turning it over you are just asking to lose winnable games. Thank god NE's kicker sucks.
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4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
That isn't how Allen can think about the play though. His job is to throw that pass if Kincaid has a step on his man and Austin follows the post.
Like I said I am not a fan of this play call in this moment. Still Allen is just executing the play call. It sounds like you just prefer check downs over vertical shots in general because it really doesn't get more open than that.
Allen did underthrow the ball, I won't argue that. I think in situations like that where the intended receiver has room to spare QBs tend to cheat towards underthrowing it a bit instead of risking an overthrow. Give Kincaid a chance to make a play or make it almost impossible for the DB to break it up without committing DPI.
Allen didn't miss anything. Johnson is there as a check down if both downfield routes are covered up. From Allen's perspective that was not the case so he took the shot.
It seems like you just want the RBs to be more involved as pass catchers and that's fine, but don't let that impact the analysis of Allen's process on this play in particular. To me it's a greedy play call that features poor route spacing, poor salesmanship from Sherfield, and an underthrow from Allen. I have no issues with Allen's decision making here.
You are right Kincaid had a step and I guess that justifies the throw. The unfortunate part is that only leads to the conclusion that Allen has become really bad at hitting anyone down field. He's badly missing deep throws most of the time. Mostly short. If he overthrows that pass I'm not sure even a second guy gets the pick there. The pick was easy because it was so underthrown.
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25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
@Maine-iac I don't know how to take videos from my phone but I took a screenshot. This is what Allen sees when he starts gearing up to launch the ball:
Johnson sneaking out with a LB late covering. You can see him after the LB peels to cover him in your picture but Allen missed it at this point. My picture shows him leaving the backfield and looking for the ball that wasn't coming.
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5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
@Maine-iac I don't know how to take videos from my phone but I took a screenshot. This is what Allen sees when he starts gearing up to launch the ball:
#26 is Alex Austin. His back is turned to Kincaid and he is following Sherfield's post route. I assume Austin is Allen's read here.
Here's what it looks like the moment the ball is leaving Allen's hands like half a second later:
Now Austin has totally spun away from Sherfield's route and quickly develops leverage on Kincaid.
In fact looking at the play again now I see the middle field safety pointing in Kincaid's direction:
(sorry for the poor quality, I zoomed in but you can kind of make out the safety pointing past Sherfield towards Kincaid)
So now I am positive the safety told Austin where the ball was going and directed him back to Kincaid at the exact right moment.
In real time you can see Sherfield not putting full effort into his route. If he was really selling it he would be a few yards further to the right and would have likely drawn Austin with him. Instead the spacing on the routes is a tad too close and the DBs back there are able to read the play in time to impact it.
I'm not sure even without 28 coming over that Kincaid was out running 30 to the ball. Maybe it's just because Allen under threw it again but 30 was there in coverage when the ball came down and 28 was in front of both of them to intercept it. All 22 only confirms my original idea that if Allen leads the back as he sneaks out of the back field he's going to run for 15 yards before anyone gets to him.
Went and looked at the -4 yard swing pass to Cook later in the game and that's again because the swing pass is too late and too wide and gives the one defender time to get by the one blocker (Gilliam I think). Allen swings that pass quicker and tighter and Cook runs right by the defender. I'm not going to totally blame Allen (he's been better of late) but as a team we are one of the worst at getting the backs into passing game. Both plays are horrible execution where seemingly plays are available.
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Joyner had Reggie White, Clyde Simmons, Jerome Brown, and Mike Pitts in front of him. Our line is pretty good but the Eagles were on another level. Back then the Eagles line and the Saints LB's were the two groups you didn't want to see on the schedule.
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22 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Sorry I forgot to mention I skipped the entire drive leading up to the INT just for time's sake. As far I know the rest of that drive was fine, I just wanted to break down the INT. But I included every other pass before that drive that didn't end with a scramble.
If you want to complain about the play call I can respect that. Our shot plays have been terrible all year, more likely to end in an INT than a positive play. I didn't feel a need to be aggressive there considering the kind of game this was becoming. Only two guys running routes and both deep, I don't get it.
But for the play itself I genuinely believe Allen executed it like he was supposed to. As soon as Austin appears to follow Sherfield on the post route, he has Kincaid in single coverage on the shot play. That's exactly the look they wanted. If you have a chance to watch the all 22 of that play you'll see what I mean. Austin spins away from Sherfield as soon as Allen is releasing the ball, it's uncanny. Like at the exact right moment he diagnosed where the ball would be and got himself in position to pick it off.
I haven't seen the all 22 but that play was shown a number of times. Kincaid wasn't out running anyone and he was well covered even without the second guy going back and picking it off. Looks like (on my dvr not All 22) if he hits Johnson early leaking out of the back field he could have picked up some yards. That wouldn't be as sexy as a bomb to Kincaid but that pass to Kincaid was never going to happen. Two plays before he has a great throw to Kincaid and then he kind of dirts one to Shakir but he picks it off the ground. He might have had something going if he just kept moving the chains. When it happens every single game it's kind of a thing.
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Bills @ Dolphins Game thread - 2nd Half
in The Stadium Wall
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Designed or not like McD said it can't be thrown in the field of play ..... end of story.