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2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
You're wrong about that. Both Romo and Barber pointed out several times where Tyrod either had man coverage or had an open guy in soft spots in the zone. He wouldn't throw it and they said " you just have to throw the ball there". It's Taylor more than anything else. It's easy to stop the run when you have no fear of the QB even throwing the football.
They may have been right on several occaisons. QB's will miss some throws and if there is a criticism of Taylor I get it's that he's too safe sometimes. I still say that Dennison does an awful job of getting guys open long before it is on Taylor. Peterman may well pull the trigger and have a little more success. We might also see the defense play well and Peterman throw three picks trying to be "agressive" and end up getting killed that way. If Dennison isn't capable of using the talent of his players I have no problem with the move to Peterman. It may well work to some extent. That said a different 0C would have this team scoring points and running the ball down other teams throats. We did it for two straight years. We know it can be done. If they are going to go "Rex" on the offense, might as well get started I suppose.
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2 minutes ago, BobC said:
Make Tyrod a slot receiver. He's physical enough, he knows the play book and at the appropriate times he could be a modified wildcat QB.
He can back up McCoy ........... let Tolbert run on goaline.
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1 minute ago, Azucho98 said:
Nimrod has no anticipation of a WR coming out of his break and being open. If nobody is wide open, he waits and waits... maybe runs, checks it down or gets sacked. Peterman may not be the answer but Tyrod certainly isn't either.
I see this all the time after loses. Kind of the anti Taylor sing song. Fact is the guy scored points to the tune of 25ppg. If you are calling crappy running plays and end up in 3rd and 7 or 3rd and 12 every time then it makes the passing game look much harder than it should be. If Dennison wasn't so awful at getting the running game going any QB, Peterman included, would look like Jim Kelly all over again. Until our coaches get their crap straight and get an effective game plan the passing will suffer. Look at other teams. They scheme guys open and the throws are easy. People here are bitching because Taylor isn't throwing it into double coverage. It shouldn't be so hard.
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It's this simple. Despite all the captain checkdown talk Tyrod's best throws were deep throws. Problem is they traded away all the deep speed and left him with a bunch of undersized TE's at WR. Then mix in that the running game is not working and now teams are playing coverage. Instead of 3rd and 4 where they are afraid of the run and Taylor can get passes off downfield, run, or actually check it down and still have a chance to pick up a first we are consistently in 3rd and long, frequently double digit long, and there just isn't anywhere to work the ball and the pocket is collapsing too fast. I really don't think Peterman will have any better success. Both QB's are shackled by this ****ty running attack and an o-line that too frequently let's at least on defender run untouched into the backfield. This is on the coaching. I hope Peterman proves me wrong but I largely think until they replace Dennison neither QB will do that well. It's going to look like the 0rton year all over again except with a rookie.
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4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
In other words, on 30% of the defensive snaps, Dareus would have attracted an extra blocker. Do you think that wouldn't have made a difference?
I thought about this also. Why were we able to play the run when he was only playing part time. This is what I was thinking. Do they keep tabs every single play as to whether Dareous is in or out? If they game plan for Dareous and his back up comes in are they still running plays like Dareous is in there? As in blocking schemes to account for him. If he's gone you can run a whole game plan for the defense not having him and take advantage. If there's a chance he's playing 30 percent of the snaps you can't.
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15 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
Happy -
I won't quote your long post, but I want to respond, mostly to say I agree.
You see this all the time - coach comes in and replaces a system that's working because he likes his system better.
One problem with your review of the offense is that Dennison's offense has had several excellent games this season. Now, it may be that the Jets and the Saints have developed the blue print for stopping that offense. Denver Atlanta Denver Oakland were among the best games in Taylor's career. We'll see in the next few weeks.
Where I really agree is on how they're using Taylor. Anthony Lynn DID get Tyrod going by putting him on the move. And it drives me nuts to watch Brees particularly, but Wilson and Smith, too, throwing from BEHIND the line, not INSIDE the pocket. Those guys get to throw with the line in front of them, which gives them a good view of escape routes AND assures them that they always can retreat, because they don't have to worry about the DEs coming around the backside. That's critically important, because unlike most QBs, you don't worry so much about those guys getting 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Why? Because if they're back that far, they're in open field, which allows them to use their speed and elusiveness to escape, return to the line of scrimmage and find a receiver. Sticking Taylor INSIDE the pocket takes away his ability to avoid tacklers.
All this plus I'd like to add the biggest thing stopping Taylor from being dangerous is our own coaches. I'm all for telling him to go through progressions, read the defense, make passes but if you have Tyrod back there and they go man and are all running back to down the field let him run. He doesn't have to run all the time but the fact that teams know he's being coached to stay in the pocket makes it easier to come after him. Best thing Taylor could do is run for 60 or 80 yards on a couple of teams. Secondly I'd like to add that they need Thompson on the field full time. He seems to be the only guy with the speed and separation ability to keep defenses honest. Taylor seems to be able to find him also. He almost got him last game except Thompson couldn't hang on but every other game they've put him in he's produced. If nothing else it should keep the defense a little more honest and help Clay and Benjamin underneath.
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If Dennison wants to know what we do best watch some tape from last year but shouldn't he have done that already? If he was interested in scoring points he would have taken last years run game and added some route variation to the passing game and called it a day. As it is he's single handedly stopped our running game which effectively cripples everything else because our offense fed off the running game.
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Unless you watched the game. Then you'd say they played the pass, it was third and long, and the line can't hold up for anything that develops 20 yards down the field. That's nothing new.
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Just now, Rocbillsfan1 said:
how bout for one instead of throwing the ball to Mike Tolbert you throw the !@#$ing ball to Matthews, Benjamin, Clay, Thompson, Holmes etc. O yea that's right he doesn't because he isn't a very good passer.
It was 3rd and 13, I'm thinking they guessed pass on that down and played coverage.
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Give Peterman a start and if the defense holds them to under 20 and we score over 20 we win. In general a defense that holds teams under 20 ppg and and offense that scores 22 or more per game is a winning combination. If Peterman gets us there then I'm all for it.
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2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
This is ok play in Maine-iac mind
9/17 56 yards 3.1 ypa 0 TDs 1 INT QBR 29.7 RTG 33.6
I've already answered this and you didn't get it the first ten times ............ I doubt the 11th a light will come on. I'll let it go. I'm not trying to win a medal for explaining team sports.
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I'm saying the team needs to be better for him to be successful. If we are actually looking for him to be successful, which I question, then you can't have multiple negative running plays and leave him in 3rd and 13 all the time. You can't start drives with penalties and you have to be able to pick up 3rd and 1 running to keep the drive alive. 3 out of the 5 times we punted in the first half had nothing to do with Taylor. So my answer is that yes we didn't have a great passing attack. What do we need to do better? If you think simply changing the QB will fix that you aren't watching/understanding the game. I've already said this though so people are either only cherry picking things to argue with or don't care to look at the big picture.
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Just now, Bangarang said:
You’re right. I’ve got nothing. Tyrod certainly wasn’t part of the problem today. Now you get to celebrate this internet victory with your friends in homeroom tomorrow morning.
More of the same ..........
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1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:
He passed for 56 yards...56.
He targeted our brand new #1 WR 3 times....all on the first drive. That’s it.
No passes completed of more than 10 yards.
Only lead our offense to 7 first downs.
Mike Tolbert was our leading WR with Taylor...3 catches 17 yards.
1 minute ago, Bangarang said:Yeah but dude, he watched the game. It was everyone else that needs to get better.
You've been at this for an hour and got nothing so far ............... like I said I'll even spot you the two throws to KB that were bad. Now name some plays he really "played like trash" on. Stop repeating the same thing and show me you actually know what you are talking about.
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2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
Fine you win. Tyrod was as good as we could have possibly expected. You watched the game so you should know. We all must have watched a different Bills game today.
1 minute ago, PeterGriffin said:This Tyrod cult is unexplainable, it's unbelievable the defense a bad QB gets. I thought Bills fans wanted to win? Nobody can honestly say that Tyrod gives them the best chance to win without seeing Peterman play. 9/18 56 yards is not hard to replace.
This goofy unconditional love for Tyrod has got to stop. He is not a good QB, how bad does he have to be in order for that to get realized?
I think you are reading what you want and not reading what you don't feel like reading. I've said over and over he didn't play great. He certainly had no help and he needs help. Between you and the other guy I don't know what you expected but out scoring a team that runs for 300 and 6 TD's wasn't on my radar. It has nothing to do with "love for Tyrod". It's more having a reasonable and objective idea of what the team needs to do right for any QB to be successful. Start Peterman next week. I would root for him but if they can't run the ball and leave him in 3rd and long every drive with no pass protection it's going to be one hell of a afternoon.
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If we continue to get penalties, negative runs, bad pass protection, and drops you will never see a successful QB here and you will simply replace the name in the title of this same post every couple of years. Everyone here gets that though ............ right? I thought so.
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3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:
3rd and 12. Tolbert for 6.
I agree and didn't like that check down. Again it's 3rd and 13 ......... he got Tolbert for 8 why? Because we were in 1st and 20 in the first place. My point, and has been all along, is that everyone needs to play better.
1 minute ago, Bangarang said:What are you 12? Try watching the game again but with your eyes open this time.
That's what I thought.
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Just now, Bangarang said:
No kidding.
Tyrod avatar - check
Blames everyone but Tyrod - check
but tell me more about how you watched the game and he did everything he possibly could. Give me a break. If you need me to explain how he was bad today then you aren’t ready to accept it.
So you can't do it?
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Just now, Bangarang said:
Show you what? That he played like trash? You need me to do that despite you saying you watched the game? Do you not have eyes?
What's the matter ........... should be easy for you. I'll even spot you the first two throws to KB. After that though, tell me which drives did Taylor kill with horrible QB play. Again I watched the game. I guess I missed it ........... but here's your chance. Tell me about it instead of just the token he sucks.
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2 minutes ago, Sweats said:
TT is holding onto the ball too long............he needs to get it out within 2-3 seconds.
Yes and no. They are looking for these short passes. Setting up short clogging the run, stopping the scrambling and making short passes harder. We actually need to start hitting deeper routes but the line can't block long enough to do that without negative plays like sacks. We aren't creative enough with the screen game to beat it that way either.
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2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
He played like absolute trash today and there is no way to spin that.
Show me. I watched the game. Didn't think he played great but certainly lack of running game and drops hurt. Line can't block and the play calling sucked. Seems like a suck hat trick. I'm not trying to spin it that he played great but you sure as hell can't point at him and say the problems start and end there.
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
Sure 1st drive make an accurate throw and get the TD.
Now those other drives you mention the throws go look at the other routes instead of reading the play by play
The other drives, 3 out of 5, we ran on 3rd and got stuffed or someone dropped a pass. So it's easy to say he didn't miss a throw.
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It's not a strategy ............ look at it. Tipped passes, penalties, negative runs, and drops. Not a whole hell of a lot to work with. Don't confuse this with saying he played a great game. I wish he had squezed in that first throw to KB in the end zone ect but that said people get all crazy when you say it's not all him.
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Looked back at the game. First drive we scored. Second drive, penalty and it's 2nd and 14, tipped pass then 3rd and 14. Third drive McCoy runs for -5, Taylor completes a 6 yard pass and then Thompson runs for -5. Fourth drive Taylor runs for 7 on a second and 9 then Thompson drops that beautiful deep throw on 3rd and 2. Next drive Taylor hits a 9 yard pass on 2nd and 10 then Tolbert gets stuffed on 3rd and 1. That's just the first half. Someone tell me where Taylor could have done something different.
Mind you I don't think Taylor is "franchise" or something but if you don't have a decent understanding of where things are going wrong it's hard to claim you know how to fix them. At the moment I think Dennison sucks. That's our biggest problem.
Nathan Peterman to Start this Week.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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You want to see our new offense ................. Just watch game tape of any 0rton start. Can't run and hope to score enough to eek out a win. Actually the team as a whole will probably eek out the same 9-7 type season.