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    Keenum to sign with Denver

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    6 hours ago, NewEra said:

    Good. Glad we didn’t pay him 20 mill+.  

    I suppose they cld still over pay McCarron, but I'd be both shocked and dissapointed if they chose to invest in a FA for those $$

    48 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:

    If we are trying to get a top 1st round QB, why the hell are fans pushing for guys like Bradford, Foles or Bridgewater when all of them would eat up all of our remaining cap space when the rookie should be starting no matter what???? I just don't understand. We need to be looking at late free agency cheap QBs plain and simple.

    People like a name? Feel they'll come cheap? Maybe a rookie and a journeyman is unthinkable to some. 

    With the 12th Pick Bills select

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    3 hours ago, pimp on da' net said:

    The comment was neither meant to recap in detail information that has been discuss on this site ad nauseum, but I will indulge. Neither fact about each QB prospect listed was a stereotype. These are based upon reports and data from league insiders...

     

    J. Rosen- has a history of being concussed. Having this history leads to the instability of mortgaging your franchises draft currency on someone who is much more susceptible in the future. 

    S. Darnold- INT: TD ratio is a concern. He has gotten away with throwing across his body & not setting his feet properly (at the college level)...can he improve on these shortcoming? maybe but far from a sure thing.

    J. Allen- see S. Darnold and add accuracy concerns (<60% career)

    B. Mayfield- By all accounts, he has the intangibles needed to succeed but height is a concern due to the fact many borderline 6 foot QB drafted in the 1st round have had the success in the current league.

    L. Jackson- its been suggested by a HOF GM and evaluator of talent,  that he should test at another position at the combine is quite telling. I am not saying I agree with Polian but Jackson has his supporter & distractors. 

     

    What's lazy is a vail comment  without supporting your own counter statement. 

    Oh... my.... 

    Thank you for explaining you're afore mentioned sterotypes... but the truth of the matter is I was imploring you to dig a bit deeper. I've read them, I understand them, and in various topics up and down the board each has been broken down and discussed in great detail. Shame on me for being a smartass I suppose as I did ask exactly for your provided break down - but I guess my point was this recap was like level 1 'lets discuss the qb class at the bar' type stuff. That's on me for not being clear I suppose...

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    Is Beane Being Too Careful?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    44 minutes ago, Gugny said:

    First of all, I'll preface by saying that I've been down with The Process from the beginning.  I got it .. and I get it.

     

    I understood getting rid of Watkins and Woods .. and letting Gillislee walk (to Boston).   But the purge continues with Glenn - our best offensive lineman - and now rumors are swirling about Hughes.

     

    I love stockpiling draft picks, but you can't build a team on potential.  And even if they draft well, in three years, we won't be able to afford anyone.

     

    I feel like he's going rogue and even if we end up with the golden boy QB, we won't be able to surround him with anything but rookies.

    With respect, next year's cap space disagrees with you:)

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    Who can throw in the snow and bitter cold?

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    Posted · Edited by gobills1212

    The candy man can!

     

     

    There's a nice ear worm for ya.

    Hopefully they all can. Sometimes you hear Rosens ability to do so come into question but I'd hope as future NFL qbs they all can. It seems some might just do it better than others. Palmer didn't seem to have issues. Aikman had it covered in philly. I know these are past players, but maybe this has gone the way of needing to be 6'3+ or have monster hands. It matters, but maybe not as much as it once did. I'd imagine it's ideal to not have to but you'd think and hope as an NFL qb they can. Further, if you become worried about this it becomes a devils advocate. Want a guy who you know their arm can cut it? Great, go w Allen. Oh, not a polished enough passer? Ummm well... and it goes on. 

    With the 12th Pick Bills select

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    Posted · Edited by gobills1212

    57 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said:

    Baker will be the best of those 3. No way to know what Allen will be playing for Wyoming. He has the best tangibles but is raw. Jackson is the most athletic but is more of a option QB.

    Go away Jets or Miami fan. You would love for Buffalo to blow every pick for a player that won't be on the field in 2018 and maybe even not 2019.

    Hhmmmm...

    It's relavence can be debated, but you understand there's a chart and hes not just making this stuff up right?

    49 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said:

    He makes money telling fans what they want to hear so they buy his Insider draft info. Not a GM out there with any sense that cares what Kiper says.

     Replace GM with you and kiper with board and you may soon know the feeling.

    Also, for an opinion that needs an open mind to be understood or taken seriously you seem to be shooting down others valid arguments and dishing insults like calling people fans of division rivals. Not the best look

    With the 12th Pick Bills select

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    1 hour ago, pimp on da' net said:

    There isn't an elite  QB in this draft...they all have warts! None is ready as a day 1 starter...

    Rosen- concussions

    Darnold- decision making, poor footwork and turnovers

    Allen- Accuracy

    Mayfield- Height

    Jackson- Pro style QB abilities

     

    This is like you've half paid attention to sterotypes and now want to talk about it...

    With the 12th Pick Bills select

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    1 minute ago, USABuffaloFan said:

    Every team at 15-32 will get the players that help them beat everyone ahead for getting 6 QB's in the Top 15 and only 1 that might make it in the NFL. There is a reason why teams later in the draft are always the GOOD team. Because the stupid desperate teams always think they get the next Franchise Elway, Luck, Manning.

    Smh...

    Parody is real.

    Unless your from Boston. 

    With the 12th Pick Bills select

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    2 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said:

    Wow your awesome, you got Cleveland, Giants and Indy to do everything you WANTED them to do, genius!!!!!

    Dude, get with the times!

    Text messages, spread sheets, trends, analytics, crystal balls, all tools at current NFL GMs disposal. This Isn't your dad's group of GMs from the 60s and 70s..

    With the 12th Pick Bills select

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    27 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

    At #12... they trade up to #2 and pick QB Josh Rosen.

     

    There is no other answer.

     

    /thread

    Unless of course that franchise center or cornerback is there who will put the team on his back and single handedly will the team to the playoffs for the next 10-15 years!!

    Cordy Glenn traded to bengals

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by gobills1212

    1 hour ago, Adam727 said:

    I think the writing was on the wall for Glenn so not a total surprise, but I genuinely dislike this move.

     

    When healthy (which he has been most of his career) Glenn was a top 10 LT (locked up with a base salary of only $7.5 mil a year) and we just traded that away for the equivalent of a mid 2nd round pick.  And our salary cap savings this year from the move are barely enough to pay for Chris Ivory!  

     

    I understand this was done in the context of a bigger move to trade up for a QB and we won't know how this trade works out for a few years, but I don't understand why this trade couldn't have waited for draft day or why we wouldn't want to keep a top tier LT on a cheap contract to protect our new QB.  (What if we just traded Cordy for next to nothing and still can't get our QB of choice because Jets/Broncos/Cardinals leapfrog us anyway?)

     

    I understand what Beane is doing.  But now we're talking about trading up using the pick we got for not selecting Watson/Mahomes last year, the pick we got for Sammy, the pick we got for Darby, probably our other first rounder and who knows what else.  If they miss with that selection after the mass exodus of talent over the last two years that it took to set this trade up  in motion, Beane will have single-handedly set the team back for years to come.  

     

    Until the opposite of a mass exodus (whatever that is) occurs next off season when they have all that cap room and Beane can set the team forward for years to come (and hopefully w his qb prospect from this yr)... Then they could buy pretty much anything they want EXCEPT potential FQB (not that they'll treat it that way.. just saying). That's the hole in that line of thinking imo

    Josh Rosen has "Bust" written ALL over him.

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    13 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

    Try "Josh Rosen scouting report" and click on the one from NFL.com...

    Oh... In that case do you have a  blog where I can get even more of this content?

    4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

    I like Darnold too, but Rosen is more polished. Imo

    This is my feeling as well. I'd be happy w either and can talk myself into being happy whatever the decision should we be lucky enough to choose

    Cordy Trade - do you like it?

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    5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

     

    It's not that odd. We've seen the Cordy Glenn Injury show for 3 years now. They haven't.

    A simple use of the Google machine tells a pretty accurate story.  

    Dude gets paid a ton, is a bit of a reclamation project, and 12 to 21 is HUGE. 

    No funny business, I kinda feel for em. To rationalize that 12 was too high a pick... that must mean they have been through the ringer. That can't be fun. That is some serious abuse

    Update! Beane is'nt done yet.

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    1 hour ago, Gamache518 said:

    According to Buffalo report Bills reportedly have been talking to Colts in acquiring their 1st round draft pick (3). Both sides have been talking all day.

    No way, no how, won't believe it, can't believe it.

    I'd be SHOCKED if they didn't just trade for 12 so they have a shot at Jackson. In other news, it's just been reported that it appears as though the Buffalo Bills will be playing their home portion of their schedule at new era field. :) I'll be sure to update if this proves to be true!

    Cordy Trade - do you like it?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by gobills1212

    So a dupe Glenn post.... But with a poll:)

     

    Oddly, I'm shocked Bengals fans love this as much as they do. They don't seem to mind the $$, the injury, or oddest of all moving down. In fact, the like it because they were worried about reaching at 12. Man does that seem backwards. Shame they don't have any other higher picks:)

    Reading b/w the lines...

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    1 hour ago, Yav said:

    That’s all fine and I agree that what the Bills do I will be fine with, but I don’t think anyone is wrong in either camp. I personally am not impressed with any of these QBs and honestly what has Luck really done? I just think they can get AJ and not loose draft picks and can’t really understand people saying AJ is unproven and garbage but why isn’t he just as good as the kids in the draft. That being said, landing AJ who has NFL experience would also allow the Bills to keep their draft picks. 

     

    I just see this as better better option than landing a kid who may or may not work. 

    But technically, they have done/tried that approach before and here we are. They could do that any year they want. Lots of $$ to play with going forward. I just feel like what you want (which although i disagree, I respect) can be done any year they want. There will always be a guy who didn't get a shot or who has played spot duty and showed potential. Its not often it's set up to make a big move and draft your guy and not destroy the franchises future. Its not like this is 2013 where 1 or 0 guys have rd 1 grades. This was a hyped class and it seems the precived issues with this year's class is kinda nitpicky. There could be 4 HOF, or there could be zero with this qb class. But many years you could say there are 1 or 2 known potential yellow jackets. Obviously this is getting down the rabbit hole here... But it's becoming the #1 argument now (bc tyrod is gone and next years cap opens up) is that it's an uncertainty and there's no sure thing. That's the draft. The whole idea is to limit the chances of a bust. If they eyed a guy the love where they feel the chances are smaller then give it a whirl! At least it won't be a half assed attempt like jp and ej. Plus,  no abbreviated 2 letter 1st name qbs this year.... so we are golden!!;)

    Reading b/w the lines...

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    Posted · Edited by gobills1212

    39 minutes ago, Yav said:

    You’re missing the point in of those not willing to give up that much. 

     

    The point is NONE of these QB look all that great. USC and UCLA produce more duds than studs at QB and Mayfield has character issues and his height is a huge question and the other two will need time to develop and even then may not be that great. 

     

    Taking that into consideration, it’s not worth mortgaging the future on a maybe. 

    But as i've stated in the MANY other threads and I've just gotten sick of typing it - IF there is a guy they LOVE then do it.

    I'm not talking an EJ take a guy to take a guy, but a guy they believe will change the course of the franchise.

    The thing is, WE arent GMS, professional scouts, or even football gurus. We can watch film and see what we like and dont like but honestly outside of Luck - there hasnt been a cant miss guy in the last 10 years and who are we to say otherwise?

    There has however been a much greater hit rate at the top.

    These guys have a plan and this is their chance to realize it. Trade up, dont trade up, its their job- not ours. 

    There comes a point when people have to realize they root for the team NOT the player.

    People fall in love with guys and even if they trade up and get their guy some folks will be mad they didnt take the other guy.

    Personally, I'd rather they stay away from Jackson and would rather Rudolph if it came down to the 2. Im sure some people disagree.

    BUT if Jackson was the pick? Great. Im pissed for a second and then GO BILLS. Why? Bc what do i know?

    IM not the GM and its THEIR plan. The fact that there seems to be a plan is a step in the right direction bc if Whaley had a plan it seemed to change course a few times and wasnt very cohesive. 

    I'm all in on a trade up for the afore mentioned reasons. If you hit, you are golden for 10-15 years. The avg QBs that need support from everywhere to break .500 is an old trick and wearing thin. If not for a little luck last year we are staring down another playoff year. When you've tired everything else and you GM makes the comments hes made about the position AND they love a guy - just let them do what they do. Worst that happens is you endure 3 more years of the same old same old and someone else come along to take a kick at the can.

    Really, by thius point you've got nothing to loose.

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