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    Bills keen on Alabama RB Najee Harris, per NBC Sports and Tony Pauline

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    2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

    In 2019 USA Today ranked the top running backs selected in round one in the past decade:

     

    16.  Jahvid Best

    15.  David Wilson

    14.  Trent Richardson

    13.  CJ Spiller

    12.  Ryan Matthews

    11.   Doug "muscle hamster" Martin

    10.  Rashaad Penny 

    9.    Josh Jacobs (3.9 ypc last year....yuck)

    8.    Leonard Fournette (a career sub 4.0 ypc in a league where the average ypc is 4.2)

    7.    Sony Michel (only season he stayed healthy had 3.7 ypc)

    6.   Melvin Gordon (4 of his 6 seasons below 4.0 ypc)

    5.   Mark Ingram (long, solid career as a rotational back but not a playmaker)

     

     

    4.   Todd Gurley

    3.   Saquon Barkley

    2.   Christian Mccaffrey

    1.   Ezekiel Elliott

     

    Only the top 4 have been elite RB's..........and they weren't just first round picks......they were all picked with top 10 overall picks.

     

    And Gurley flamed out at the end of his age 24 season and Barkley is now surgically repaired after putting in two very good seasons.

     

    Fournette, Richardson and Spiller were also top 10 picks.......so even being THAT certain that the RB will be great isn't anywhere close to a lock.

     

    The rest of that list could have been undrafted and nobody would be astonished that they weren't selected.

     

    So who are all these "in most situations" guys that prove that anywhere in the 1st round is where you get superstar RB's?

     

    Last year CEH was the RB that was selected in round 1.........go back and compare his numbers to Singletary year 2......very similar.....(and note that Singletary year 1 averaged 5.0 ypc).

     

    I still would take Harris or Etienne. Like Jimmy Johnson said "if you're gonna draft a RB then draft the best one". Maybe the 3rd time would be the charm this year

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    Bills keen on Alabama RB Najee Harris, per NBC Sports and Tony Pauline

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

    You pointed out some good current RB's that went in round 1...........I pointed out a greater number of dynamic current RB's that went from the 3rd round all the way to being undrafted.

     

    That is proof that you can get top quality RB production anywhere in the draft.    You can't tell me that the difference between McCaffrey and Kamara/Jones is "huge".  

     

    That's just not true.   

     

    And Moss and Singletary don't actually suck........they are pretty good backs but they were drafted for an offense that was under center with a lot of 12 personnel,  sometimes a fullback.......more of a power run blocking scheme.

     

    But when Allen broke out last fall.........they became more of a spread offense,  shotgun predominant, zone blocking team..........which better suits backs that are quicker, faster 1 cut types...... like Matt Breida.    

     

    With so much of the NCAA running spread offenses I like the odds of a good scouting staff being able to identify players that fit the system well anywhere in the draft.

     

    There isn't much of a difference between McCaffery and Kamara but that's just one example. In most situations, you would never find a RB in the 3rd round or later that would come close to McCaffery. How many 3rd round or later RBs are even as good as Kamara? Kamara was an anomaly in my opinion. I really believe that a dynamic RB takes this offense over the top. Harris and Etienne can be that

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    Share a story that reveals your Bills dedication

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    My friend got married on a Sunday during football season in 2016. It was actually the day of the Cardinals vs Bills game that the Bills won. While taking wedding photos outside the church I was checking my phone repeatedly for score updates. I remember being annoyed when I was stuck at a wedding while the Bills were up 17-0 at one point during the game. My other friend even called me "immature" because I was looking at the score repeatedly. My response to him was "how about not getting married on a freaking Sunday in September during football season?" I also refuse to work a job that works weekends because I won't miss a Bills game

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    Bills keen on Alabama RB Najee Harris, per NBC Sports and Tony Pauline

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by Buffalo03

    21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

    First, you are mixing generations of RB's.   The Marshall Faulk type athletes don't even play RB anymore.    They make the big money playing CB or WR or S.    You can't draft a RB in round 1 anymore and assume he's going to ball out for 8-10 years.    As the level of athlete has decreased 26 has become the new 30.

     

    Second........the best all purpose RB's in the league are a hodgepodge of guys like McCaffrey(1st round),  Kamara (3rd round) Aaron Jones (5th round) and Austin Ekeler(undrafted who caught 92 passes in 2019).    The Bills need speed.......the fastest RB's in the NFL over the past 3 seasons are probably Raheem Mostert and Philip Lindsay.......also both undrafted. 

     

    I think you should take a closer look at who the best RB's in the NFL are.    And then eliminate guys like Zeke and Derrick Henry who need an offense tailored to them or at least need the ball handed to them 20+ times per game to have their full impact........because that doesn't make sense with a Josh Allen at QB.     

     

    I don't know if there is even a "kind" of RB you can only find in round one.........but what I do know is that the kind the Bills need you can find all over the draft and in UDFA.    It's proven.

     

    I know about mixing generations of RBs. I did that intentionally. I did point out quite a few RBs that have been drafted recently though like McCaffery, Gurley, Elliott, and even guys in the last 15 to 20 years like Tomlinson and AP. Those guys are huge differences compared to a RB you draft in the 4th round. I feel like if you want a difference making, game breaking and speed type back that you need to find that guy in the first and maybe 2nd rounds. And again, I also feel like there is a difference between drafting a first round RB when you are a losing team as opposed to when you are a SB caliber team. 

    Bills keen on Alabama RB Najee Harris, per NBC Sports and Tony Pauline

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    2 minutes ago, The Governor said:

    Yup. We are a team that can take that “luxury” pick RB and 30 is exactly where you want to do it. People get too caught up pretending that we’re Hoodie and will never value the position or insists that we’re always going to trade down. It’s pretty tiresome to be honest. 
     

    The way we have addressed the position hasn’t worked and it needs to be fixed.

    I mean, think about it, what would "The Greatest Show on Turf" have been like without Marshall Faulk? They wouldn't have been that without him. It makes a difference 

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    Bills keen on Alabama RB Najee Harris, per NBC Sports and Tony Pauline

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    13 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

    It's not a nerve.........it's just something we go thru every 2-3 draft seasons on here......there is always a different rationale........"the winning mindset" was a creative one......points for that:lol:.

     

    Me pointing out how nonsensical drafting a RB is in round 1 is just part of "the process".   

     

    First of all.......the further we get from the regular season the further removed fans get from what actually works on the field.

     

    And I'm not saying that Beane won't make the mistake of misallocating a valuable asset.........he's made his share of mistakes like reaching past better players at more important positions to fill perceived needs at lesser ones with the likes of Cody Ford, Singletary, Moss etc.

     

    But I do think that they are more likely to pick up a player at a more important position.      The financial pinch they are in will really limit their ability to re-stock much more important positions in the coming years.

     

    And the idea that "well a RB can help right away and if you get 5 top years out of them....." just doesn't actually pan out because as the position has become devalued so has the overall quality of athlete playing it.    

     

    With less than a full handful of exceptions......the lead backs of today would have been the Kenny Davises of yesteryear...........fine for a short period of time.......but not up to the task longer term.

     

    Which is fine..........it's a passing league.........Josh Allen produces 8 yards on average every time he passes the ball.........Jim Brown couldn't make it worthwhile to take the ball out of his hands.     The difference between top backs and guys like Singletary and Moss is less than a measly half yard per carry.

     

     

    Let me just say, I agree with you to a degree. If we were a rebuilding team that went 3-13 instead of 13-3 then I would definitely say RB in round 1 is really stupid. Like the Giants did with Barkley which clearly didn't make sense when they needed a QB. But our offense literally needs a game breaking RB and a good TE from being fully dominant. It's almost there already. 

     

    We have drafted RBs in the 3rd round each of the last two years and how has that worked out? Zach Moss, I'm not necessarily giving up hope that he can be a really good player yet but I'm pretty sure we know what we have in Singletary at this point. And neither guy is really a guy that can change a game or has game breaking speed. 

     

    To me, there is a clear difference between the RBs you draft in Round 1 as opposed to after. Tomlinson, AP, Elliot, McCaffery, Barkley, Gurley, Barry Sanders, Emmitt, Marshall Faulk. Those guys are or were difference makers for their teams. You can get guys in other rounds like Gore, Kamara, Aaron Jones, LeSean McCoy, Terrell Davis, Thurman and maybe even luck out on an undrafted guy like Fred Jackson or James Robinson and some others but I feel like the odds of that are a little slimmer. We are in our SB window. There's no point in not taking a difference maker at position of need that can make us even more dynamic because "RBs are a dime a dozen" or a "non sensical 1st round pick". I personally would like a pass rusher with the first pick but have no issue at all with Etienne or Harris at 30 if either player is there. I just don't see the point of drafting another 3rd Round RB that's basically the same as what we already have

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