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Going unnoticed by many in all of their criticism of the Bills draft, 7 out of the 10 players the Bills drafted were in Daniel Jeremiah's top 150. I did this math yesterday out of curiosity, but Chris Brown just made the point on OBL since Arizona is being touted for selecting 8 of their 12 picks out of Jeremiah's top 150. The difference...Arizona was drafting 4th in each round and had two selections in the first round...before the Bills selected even one. The Bills were drafting at the bottom of each round. Now...Jeremiah may not be the be all and end all of draft analysts. However, he is well respected and his rankings of top players are for the most part consensus. So...even though this is a "reload" as Shaw points out...it is a well-executed, well-planned reload.
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23 minutes ago, Aurelius said:
We are down our #1 and #2 receivers, one of whom was Stefon Diggs, a real matchup problem for defenses. Right now we have replaced them with a second round rookie draft pick and Curtis Samuel.
As of now, our #1 and #2 WR’s have a grand total of 4 NFL receiving TD’s last season. I think everybody has a right to be concerned as we don’t have any proven downfield scoring threats on the corners to open the field up.
I’m not saying Coleman won’t be good in time, or even as a rookie but we have one of the best QB’s in the nfl and without many threats at the wr position; teams are gonna give us a much shorter field for our RB’s TE and slot to work in.
I’m still hoping we make a big free agent Hail Mary somewhere along the way but not sure if that’s in the cards.
Diggs became less and less of a match up problem as the season wore on. So I don't agree with you on this point. Diggs could be removed from games just by DBs being physical with him. I think that is why the Bills decided to stress physicality over finesse in their drafting this year. If you also consider the type of receivers Brady had at LSU, Coleman fit that bill. I'm optimistic about this receiver group, although admittedly it is yet to be seen how well they perform.
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1 hour ago, Warcodered said:
This was great! This kid is genuine!
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There was an interesting take on NFL Live on ESPN today. Mina Kimes who I have really come to respect as an NFL analyst when discussing Worthy vs Coleman, said that both the Bills and the Chiefs got the receivers they needed. KC needed to add speed...which they did both in free agency and the draft, and the Bills needed to add size and physicality at WR. She sees Shakir as the Bills deep threat as she really liked what he contributed in the last 7 games (she was one of the few analysts after the Diggs trade who referred to his production as declining and cited his last 7 games). Dan Orlovsky loved the pick of Coleman for the Bills. He sees the Bills as having offensive players that can contribute at all levels on the field, allowing Josh to simply make his reads vs focusing on one receiver. Field Yates liked Legette better than both receivers.
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19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
i think they were managing his minutes in the regular season tbh
chiefs play above the rim rn
This is true. His snaps definitely increased in the playoffs. Also with Brown and Worthy, expect teams will revert back to two deep safeties, so lots of underneath stuff will be open.
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6 minutes ago, Logic said:
Does this just replace the old deal he was already on, meaning he's tied to the Chiefs through 2025, or does it tack on two NEW years, meaning he's tied to the Chiefs through 2027?It says it's an extension, so it must be added years.
So...not only do we have to deal with him on KC for longer than hoped, we also have to deal with Taylor Swift in the fan suite. Ugh!
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I watched this. It's really good. I'd love to see Moulds work with Coleman as well as Shakir!
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28 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:
Then we probably go Legette or the next big bodied receiver. It’s very apparent the Bills valued size and hands over speed. The little twitchy guys have not done exceptionally well here with Allen.
I agree since they get manhandled by DBs.
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41 minutes ago, ShakAttack said:
Sorry if this was already posted, but here is a good video. While it does confirm that Coleman struggles with separation on deep routes, you can see him doing very well in creating separation on other routes.
The film of his struggles to separate vertically starts around 6:20.
After that, you will see some impressive route running in which Coleman is successful in separating from DBs.
Enjoy.
And hopefully Josh will be able to further assist his separation by manipulating DBs with his eyes.
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1 minute ago, Einstein said:
There was no insult. I do not insult. Apologizes if anything I said was taken that way. I was simply stating that you must not have seen Greeny defend the Bills nearly non-stop for 3 straight years now if you're going to say that he can't be objective about the Bills.
Greeny, Simms and Brandt have been the most outwardly spoken Bills defenders of the past half decade. That's just a fact.
What he said about the trade is spot on. Emotional or not, It was a stupid move.I have seen Greeny defend the Bills and in particular Josh Allen a lot on Get Up.
And we are just going to have to disagree about the trade. I think Beane made a good move for the Bills irrespective of who the trade was made with.
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1 minute ago, Einstein said:
Greeny has been backing the Bills for years now. If you have been living under a rock, just say so.I've heard all of these takes on Josh Allen and the Bills. In fact, he's been jealous of the Bills because he is a Jets fan and they can't seem to do anything right. But...he's an emotional Jets fan. So he's not looking at the trade with any deal of objectivity. I heard his take right after the trade was made and KC picked Worthy. It was as emotional as when Mina Kimes went on about the Bills picking Josh Allen...and in truth it gave him something to add to the broadcast since he had nothing to offer with any pick analysis etc. Outside of getting ESPN to their commercial breaks he just took up a chair.
Good GMs don't worry about optics. They don't make decisions based on emotion. Media people are all about the optics. And football fans are all about emotion.
And btw, just because someone disagrees with you, you don't need to resort to insults.
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4 hours ago, Einstein said:
We disagree greatly. I do not agree that trading a 4th for a 3rd is a “steep price”. Many people think we gained a pick - we didn’t. We just moved up a bit. Had they actually paid a steep price, I would have been far more okay with it.
There is also 0 evidence that they still get Worthy without us. Maybe they would have or maybe they wouldn’t have.
The fact that they made a trade signifies that they did NOT think Worthy would have fallen to them.
We moved up a full round...38 picks to be exact.
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5 hours ago, brianthomas said:
What if Beane thought highly of all the wr's & wouldve been happy with any of them? Then Beane wouldve felt safe trading down, knowing he'd at least get 1 of them. "The last one on Josh's list".
Time will tell i suppose, with all these guys... it always does
But not in the first round. Beane said they had no players with a 1st round grade left on their board. That's why they were willing to trade out of the round.
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16 hours ago, Einstein said:
No way to know. But even if they would have, it shouldn’t have been through our handing him to them.
We are the joke of the NFL right now. Seeing stuff like this everywhere (and Greeny was a Bills ally all last season, defending us when no-one else would):
Im not one for cussing, but it pisses me off.
Greeny is a Jets fan and has never been able to look at anything NFL related with an objective eye.
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3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
Being a Penn State fan, I watch a lot of Big 10 football and I recall liking him a lot playing for Wisconsin.
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1 hour ago, BeastMaster said:
If that's what you got out of that footage, then you don't know what your watching.
For starters...the majority of his targets were screen passes to get the ball in his hands immediately.
Secondly, in numerous targets the QB would just throw the ball up for him even when he was covered by multiple defenders or he wasn't the intended target. He was often used as a bailout by the QB because he wins matchups/jump balls often.
Thirdly, he had guys beat multiple times and he either got past them and wasn't caught, or they held/grabbed him and he drew a penalty flag.
Watching his footage tells me a few things. One is that Coleman was the focal point of their offense and teams regarded him as such. That means he is already accustomed to the role of top dog that draws attention. Next is that Jordan Travis is not impressive as a passer. He made numerous bad throws to Coleman, and he relied on Coleman to bail him out way too much. His backup did Coleman little favors as well which explains the dip in numbers after Travis went down. Third is that teams respect Colemans ability to hurt them in all phases. He can take screen passes and turn them into big plays...he runs good slants and can also turn those into big plays, and he can get deep and beat you there as well.
If Brady uses this guy right, and runs this offense like it's supposed to be with Josh making quick decisions and hitting whoever is open, then Coleman will be a weapon.
Didn't the Jets just draft him?
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40 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:
Philly had needs at WR?? They just signed their #1 and 2 to $25M/$30M per contracts.
Correct... But outside of the top two last year, they had zilch (Quez Watkins and a washed up Julio Jones). That's why they brought in Campbell and Parker in free agency. So Smith was a need as number 5 receiver at least. They grabbed Johnny Wilson in the 6th...but outside of being tall, he's no great shakes so I wouldn't call him the BPA.
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4 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:
I think Coleman (X stater) and Davis (backup) both play a lot on offense - thus giving Allen a couple of new weapons to use. I could also see Van Pan starting by the middle of the season. That's potentially 3 offensive rookies from this draft contributing quite a bit. Not bad for picking at the end of each round.
Coleman, IMO, was a swing for the fences pick. There were safer options there, but he had the highest ceiling of all remaining receivers.
If Coleman's 40 time would have been better, he would have been ranked right with the top guys. Those safer options also are already on the Bills. Coleman gives them a receiver they don't already have in their WR room.
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3 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:
McConkey can play inside and out, Beasley was a pure slot.
This is true, but they also hit on their high end picks like the Eagles. The eagles doubled up on CB and WR because they were the BPA. Beane drafts for need, and that’s not a recipe for success IMO.
Philly actually had needs at CB and WR. Additionally BPA and value is determined by a team's draft board not what flashes across a TV screen. As it turns out, the Bills were able to draft 7 of Daniel Jeremiah's top 150 with their first 7 selections. They balanced their need with the value on the draft board which is what GMs generally do. Scheme fits also play a huge role in how teams rank players.
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4 hours ago, Logic said:
I'll start by saying that this was far from my favorite Bills draft.
I'm usually Mr Optimistic when it comes to draft classes, but I thought this year's class was just...fine. It was like if you fed Brandon Beane's draft tendencies and the Bills' needs into ChatGPT and asked it to spit out the 2024 Bills draft class. It was completely on brand, it filled the needs we all knew the team had, and it'll probably end up producing a few average players and a couple good ones.
Ho-hum. Nobody in this class makes me stand up and say "that guy's really gonna help the Bills get over the hump and win a title".
Onto the picks:
1. Keon Coleman - I was not a fan of this pick. For a team whose WR corps needed more speed and separation, this guy made the LEAST sense to me of all the 1st/2nd round WR prospects. Josh Allen has historically thrived with fast, shifty WRs who separate well, and has not clicked with big-bodied guys who struggle with separation. So adding Keon Coleman? It feels like "Square peg, meet round hole". He does have great athleticism and RAC ability for a man his size. He's also young to the position, having played football full time for only two seasons and being only 20 years old. I have concerns about his ability to play X in the NFL, and I'll believe that he's a better fit as a big slot until proven otherwise. Here's hoping I'm wrong about Coleman. The absolute ceiling I see for him is "Solid WR2". Not what I was hoping for in a star studded WR class and with a crying need at the position.
2. Cole Bishop - Looks like he should be just what the doctor ordered at safety for the Bills. He seems to be more Poyer than Hyde, in that he's at his best in the box and playing the run, and he packs a wallop when he tackles. He appears to have untapped man coverage potential, with Dalton Kincaid saying Bishop usually got the better of him 1-on-1 at Utah. He also has freaky speed for the position and a great mental disposition. Should be an easy fit in the Bills' scheme. At the VERY least, I expect him to contribute from day 1 as a dime 'backer, but I'll ultimately be surprised if he doesn't wind up starting at one of the two safety spots by midseason.
3. Dewayne Carter - Good bull rusher, great motor, tons of experience, impeccable character. Seems like a 1T/3T 'tweener. Quickly apparent from his interviews that he's one of the smartest, most likable, easy to root for guys you'll ever see in the NFL. Should be a quality rotational tackle for the Bills and seems like, in time, he will provide quality leadership and a steadying presence on the D-line. May never be a big play guy, but may at least be a "dirty work" guy who allows others around him to thrive.
4. Ray Davis - Hard running inside guy with great vision, ability to get skinny, contact balance, and underrated breakaway ability. Had the most receiving TDs in 2023 of any SEC running back in 25 years. Should provide a nice change of pace to James Cook without the Bills necessarily losing anything in the pass game when he comes on the field. An older prospect, but I don't care, because he's a running back, and he won't be here past his first contract anyway. Another "likability" and leadership All-Star. Davis should provide steadiness and depth, but doesn't do anything that wows you, and I'm not sure he moves the needle much on offense.
5. Sedrick Van Pran - Tons of starting experience at Georgia. Has some traits reminiscent of Mitch Morse in terms of quickness, twitch, and ability on the move. Stop me if you've heard this one before -- lauded for his leadership. Should provide a good backup plan to Connor McGovern at center and/or provide competition at that position. It will not shock me if this guy is starting by year two. Seems like a great value at this point in the draft. One of my favorite picks.
5. Edufuan Ulofoshio - What do you want me to say? You didn't think the Bills would let a draft pass them by without selecting a late round special teams linebacker, did you? The room is starting to get a bit crowded with Milano, Bernard, Williams, Morrow, Spector, and Ulofoshio. However...the Bills lost ST stalwarts Dodsen, Matakevitch, and Neal, and needed some reinforcements there. That's what Ulo seems to be. I'll be surprised if he ever amounts to more than that, but at this point in the draft, that's what you're getting.
5. Javon Soloman - Undersized speed rusher (though he does have a great wingspan for the position) who had absolutely eye-popping production at Troy, where he out-produced Demarcus Ware and Osi Umenyoira. He can be a designated pass rusher and special teams guy and can learn from his idol Von Miller, after whom he says he models his game. Very much a boom/bust prospect, with seemingly equal potential to be the steal of the draft or an outright bust. I liked this pick a lot, and I'm betting on the former over the latter.
6. Tylan Grable - What do you want me to say? Did you think the Bills were gonna let a draft go by without taking a project offensive tackle late? I don't have much to say about this guy. He's just like Tommy Doyle or Luke Tenuta before him: a developmental tackle prospect who's a long shot to make the 53-man roster. With VanDemark and Collins already in place as backup OTs, it's hard to see this guy making the roster.
6. Daequan Hardy - Special teams guy. Standout punt returner and gunner. I usually look to Bills' late round corners with excitement, because they're usually big-bodied guys with zone eyes who only dropped due to underwhelming athleticism. Hardy does not appear to fit that mold. He appears instead to be a punt return candidate and, beyond that, I'm not sure where he'd fit in. His only hope is as a nickel, but the Bills are obviously set there with Taron Johnson.
7. Travis Clayton - At least this one's fun. A guy from the International Pathways program who has never played a down of football in his life. But he's 6'7", 301 lbs and runs a 4.79. The hope is that he turns into the next Jordan Mailata. A fun story and will be fun to track, but obviously a longshot and likely a practice squad guy at best.
Overall, it was clear that leadership, maturity, and experience were high priorities for the Bills this year. Again and again, they picked guys who were team captains and lauded for their leadership abilities. Given all the leadership that walked out the door this offseason, that certainly makes sense. Again and again, they picked guys with lots of starting experience, guys who shined at the Senior Bowl, and guys who have their heads screwed on straight. Given that they will be counting on some of these guys to contribute from day one, and given that they seem to be doing a bit of a locker room reset, this also makes sense.
The reason that I am ultimately unexcited by this year's draft class is this: I wanted the Bills to prioritize building around Josh Allen. I wanted them to either take a swing for the fences by trading up for a star receiver, or -- failing that -- to go the Packers route and draft a handful of skill position players to surround him with. If they were unable to acquire great quality, then I hoped they would at least acquire quantity. I fear that in choosing Keon Coleman, they may have failed to achieve the "quality" goal, and in refusing to draft any other receivers, they also failed to achieve the "quantity" goal. And Ray Davis is the definition of "uninspiring" at running back. He'll be a fine depth player and grind out tough yards, I'm sure, but he doesn't move the needle much on offense. Neither Coleman nor Davis seem like they upgrade the offense. Just...status quo at best.
In a year where I felt the very TOP priority was to improve on offense, I feel the Bills failed to meaningfully do so. In an offseason where I hoped they'd make a bold move or two to try to find an elite player for this offense, they failed to try. After hearing "Josh needs more weapons" for a couple years running, he now seems to have less. The WR corps seems to have regressed, and seems to lack any true downfield explosiveness or viable deep threat.
This draft class was not a disaster, by any means. it seems FINE. Just fine. Keon Coleman doesn't scream "Alpha WR1" to me. Ray Davis seems like an average NFL backup. Cole Bishop and Javon Soloman seem to perhaps have playmaking potential on defense. Beyond that -- meh.
When the Bills decided to go young and start a roster reset, I had hope that Beane was gonna try to do things differently, since the old way he was doing things didn't get the Bills over the hump. They've been hitting too man singles and doubles over the years and not enough home runs. Instead, he appears to be doing things exactly the same way this time around. He seems to be content to collect character/culture guys, whose ceiling is "good, solid NFL player", rather than taking any risks or big swings for potential stars. He hasn't really taken those swings, to my estimation, since the Allen/Edmunds class. THAT'S why I'm disappointed in this draft class. It seems fine, solid, steady, and logical, but it doesn't seem like it'll move the needle much.
I will move on to hoping that the post June 1st money infusion brings us a quality veteran receiver and maybe a pass rusher either via free agency or trade. Failing that, it would be hard for me to conclude anything other than that it looks like the Bills are poised to take a step back this year. 2025 looks promising in terms of cap space and draft capital, but if it's gonna continue to be "business as usual" for Brandon Beane, then I'm not sure how excited I should allow myself to get for that.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.Logic...I appreciate your feelings on this. In truth, I was disappointed in this year's draft, but mainly because of who we drafted with our last 3 picks and because we only drafted one receiver.
1. Keon Coleman was not my first choice of receiver, but in truth, outside of the 40 time, Keon Coleman is the closest to the top 4 receivers in this draft. Had he run a fast 40 at the combine, he would have been a top 10 pick. Coleman doesn't need separation. Any ball thrown near him, he will come down with . He won't be man-handled by defensive backs (think Jets and Chiefs). When I think of how many times Bills receivers did NOT come down with contested balls, I understand why the Bills focused on a player of Coleman's stature and ability. So...don't be so quick to dismiss Coleman.
2. Cole Bishop was the safety I expected the Bills to draft and we did. He will be solid, providing the abilities and leadership and smarts we're used to.
3. Carter...just as you said. He'll be a solid rotational DT and when I heard his presser, he reminded me so much of Lorenzo Alexander. He'll be a strong leader on this team.
4. Ray Davis. We knew we were going to draft a RB. Daniel Jermiah loved the pick, saying he was his 3rd best receiver in the draft. Great running the football and out of the backfield. I nice compliment to Cook.
5. Sedrick VP. We needed a center and we got a good one with a lot of experience in Sedrick. The competition he has faced has been among the best, so I expect him to work his way into a starting role sooner rather than later.
5. Ulofoshio, LB. I expected the Bills to draft a LB at some point given that we were on our 4th string by the playoffs. In truth, I don't know much about EU, but the ESPN and NFL pundits seemed to like the pick, saying he was one of the most impactful LBs in the draft. So...we'll see. I won't dismiss him just because I am unfamiliar.
5. Javon Solomon. We needed an Edge and got a good one according to the ESPN and NFL Network guys. I think he may work his way into the rotation. I'm optimistic.
The remaining picks are where my disappointment stems from. I would have preferred a second WR especially since the Bills spent so much time evaluating WRs.
6. Tylan Grable. I expected the Bills to draft an OT. It's an annual tradition with them. According to Beane, they liked his traits and sent Kromer down to work him out and evaluate him. So they see the potential. He's played both on the left and right side at tackle as well as right guard. Since VanDemark does not seem to play well on the right side, they likely want to groom another prospect as backup.
6. Daquan Hardy, CB. See above. It's an annual tradition. Being a Penn State alum and watching a lot of PSU football, I've been critical of their corners. In years past, if they weren't giving up big plays, they were committing PI. They were better in 2023. He'll be good on ST and if he can develop into a backup nickel, I'm good.
7. Travis Clayton. He has potential albeit he is a project. However, the upside is the roster exemption for international players. The Bills can keep 17 on the practice squad as opposed to just 16.
In this draft, the Bills filled a lot of needs. The veterans they brought in were only signed to one year deals for the most part, so if these rookies can develop there will be spots for them. So I'm not so down on this draft based on what I've watched throughout the college season. I'm hoping KJ Hamler can stay healthy and truly live up to the potential he displayed at Penn State and become that deep threat the Bills could use. He didn't show much at Denver due to health and QB play. We'll see what UDFA's are brought in as well, and though Beane did say there's no trade in the works for a veteran, he did not rule out bringing in veteran help at the WR position.
My two cents.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we get a roster exemption for international players?
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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I actually don't mind that. Grable had a really good week at the Shrine Bowl in the practices. He didn't stand out to me in the game and I never got back around to his tape, but I spoke to a guy who was there that week and picked him out. He is their type as well, high RAS, athletic but raw. If I am correct I believe he is a converted tight end. Hope they can sneak him onto the 53 because I think he would get stolen off the PS.
It also appears he has experience at both left and right tackle, as well as right guard.
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1 minute ago, Bob in STL said:
Another LB, no CB. McD is slipping
Considering we were down to our 4th string LB last year in the playoffs, depth at LB isn't a bad idea. Remember, the guys we signed in the off season are on one year deals.
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Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State
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That's because a lot of fans experience watching college football consists of watching the NFL Combine.
I'm guilty of that one. Mea Culpa!