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Yeah no Our WRs were fine and vastly more talented than what is currently on our roster, our O-line was solid at worst and had provided excellent running seasons for us, our LBers were similarly solid, and our D-line was expected to continue to be good. Average defense at worst. On offense our WRs were fine, as mentioned, our RB stable looked great, TE was looking pretty good... what we were missing and have been missing is a productive, efficient passer and good overall coaching decisions, the Bills' not being considered as annual contenders is specifically because we've been missing those elements I really don't feel like doing the Thurman-thinks-he's-smarter-than-everyone-even-though-he's-of-pretty-standard-intelligence dance with you because it's exhausting and completely pointless but in a nutshell we underperformed relative to previous years on both sides of the ball last year but the way things shook out we made the playoffs anyway, and now the complete gutting of the roster is kicking in, yielding the atrocity we now see on the field

Do you understand how odds-making works?

He looks... totally fine? Stats are a bit lower across the board but he still looks pretty competent and the Redskins are currently 4-2. Not bad for jumping into a totally new system with all-new players.

Next season? Sure. Carr has experience in the league, our RB stable is fine. Add 2 WR and we're looking at 9-7, maybe 11-5 if the defense can stop crapping the bed every other game. Josh Allen is going to take a while to get to a level of basic competence, much less franchise-level, assuming he progresses at all.

This is absolutely revisionist, FYI Buffalo consensus and national musings were that we were good coaching and competent QB play away from being annual contenders for the playoffs, and we backed into the playoffs with a 9-7 record (not our first time) due to a miracle play by the Bengals. The Bills' run defense tanked after the Dareus trade (and the Jags' was significantly bolstered, fancy that), and we went one-and-done in truly embarrassing fashion against the Jags. Is it nice to have the monkey off our back? Sure. Is it a testament to the current HC and GM? Hell nah. Leadership has made several efforts to provide the team with offensive talent, the issue is that they absolutely stink at correctly valuing offensive talent.

Firing the HC every 2 years is necessary when you keep hiring bloody awful head coaches Marrone was the best we'd had in ages and left of his own volition because the organization is a dumpster fire

Is this a joke????? Our TEs were what, Scott Chandler? Starting WRs were Donald Jones and David Nelson. Stevie meshed well with Fitz but washed out of the league shortly after he left. Our offensive line consisted of stalwarts like Demetress Bell and Geoff Handgartner and whatever bums we skimmed off of a practice squad to play guard any given week. Wood ended up being a solid center once he moved over but we had NO offensive talent. Pretty much ever single skill player we had under Chan is no longer in this league.

Absolutely. There's a learning curve regardless, but plenty of learning can be done from the bench, particularly when your weaknesses are reading defenses and poor throwing mechanics. Those are things that can be thoroughly improved without being directly on the field. Aaron Rodgers did it. Sucking for the sake of sucking just to speed up the development of our QB by a year at best (if injuries and pressure don't lead to even worse habits, that is) is an awful plan when you can play to win while bringing the young guy along slowly. Derek Carr would immediately improve our offense and give our defense and running game a chance to carry us into the playoffs.

He was holding, arm wrapped around the dude Quit blaming the refs

But remember, they're not doing anything wrong, we're the real wrong ones for daring to point it out!

Absolutely This is a pretty consistent pattern with this fanbase (and other fanbases, too, I'm sure) and it will continue to get pointed out until people start confronting their implicit biases It wasn't a joke Ya'll got some introspection to do

It's curious how certain... types of QBs never seem to get proper credit, yet so many Buffalo fans are convinced that Josh Allen is the white guy to lead us to the promised land Oh oops I meant the right* guy, silly autocorrect

Grimes has been AWFUL tonight. Getting wrecked in both the pass and the run.

Playcalling has been questionable and windows have been super tight This game has been a rollercoaster

Grimes is getting dunked on tonight

Yeah, he needs that one back Godwin holding onto either of the first two TD passes puts them up by 1 as well

Well dang, Godwin finally hung onto one

Dude has been under a ton of pressure the whole time He's had a rough game but the Bucs have struggled in all phases

This game is painful. Bucs' depleted secondary getting clowned on, freak TOs leading to a Fitztragic meltdown, and Godwin can't hang onto the football. Blech.

Godwin needs to hang onto the ball That's 8 points plus a turnover that he's left on the field

He tilted after the 2nd INT and #12 has been rough all night Ya hate to see it

There are a weird number of Just-World, Prosperity-Gospelers on this board. Talent alone won't make you succeed. Hard work alone won't make you succeed. There are plenty of players as talented and as hard-working as Josh Allen that have washed out in this league because success is as dependent on organizational fit and dumb luck as it is on hard work and talent. Anyone remember Matt Flynn? Dude lit it up in multiple seasons as a backup for the Packers. Couldn't hack it anywhere else in the league. Talent and hard work won't save Josh Allen when his feet start getting happy, his arm misfires, or his desire to win causes him to throw balls he shouldn't. Great QBs have down years where either on a personal level or on a team level things don't gel. Mediocre QBs have great years where everything just clicks. We love to delude ourselves that we live in a world where things are fair and that they happen as they "should" happen. It isn't true. It's never been true.

They're clearly different players, but JA isn't clearly better He's got a better toolkit for sure but Manuel looked genuinely solid early on before defenses started seriously attacking his exploitable tendencies There is zero evidence so far that Allen will work out. Lots of evidence that he could be very good, but he's got a ton to work on first.

The Chargers recovered it It was trapped behind Edmunds' leg (not arm) when the Chargers player dove on it. Yeah there was a sea of Bills, but Edmunds' final position meant he couldn't actually get possession of it. The next/last clear shot we got of it (which was shown on the broadcast, btw) had a Bills player trying to rip it away from the Chargers player, who was by that point on his back.

3 drops of interceptable balls, too. Also, the "drops" you're referring too were almost all pretty difficult catches to make Allen's toolkit is remarkable. Dude is strong and his arm is a cannon. We'll see if he can put it all together.