Avisan

This is absolutely revisionist, FYI Buffalo consensus and national musings were that we were good coaching and competent QB play away from being annual contenders for the playoffs, and we backed into the playoffs with a 9-7 record (not our first time) due to a miracle play by the Bengals. The Bills' run defense tanked after the Dareus trade (and the Jags' was significantly bolstered, fancy that), and we went one-and-done in truly embarrassing fashion against the Jags. Is it nice to have the monkey off our back? Sure. Is it a testament to the current HC and GM? Hell nah. Leadership has made several efforts to provide the team with offensive talent, the issue is that they absolutely stink at correctly valuing offensive talent.

Firing the HC every 2 years is necessary when you keep hiring bloody awful head coaches Marrone was the best we'd had in ages and left of his own volition because the organization is a dumpster fire

Is this a joke????? Our TEs were what, Scott Chandler? Starting WRs were Donald Jones and David Nelson. Stevie meshed well with Fitz but washed out of the league shortly after he left. Our offensive line consisted of stalwarts like Demetress Bell and Geoff Handgartner and whatever bums we skimmed off of a practice squad to play guard any given week. Wood ended up being a solid center once he moved over but we had NO offensive talent. Pretty much ever single skill player we had under Chan is no longer in this league.

Absolutely. There's a learning curve regardless, but plenty of learning can be done from the bench, particularly when your weaknesses are reading defenses and poor throwing mechanics. Those are things that can be thoroughly improved without being directly on the field. Aaron Rodgers did it. Sucking for the sake of sucking just to speed up the development of our QB by a year at best (if injuries and pressure don't lead to even worse habits, that is) is an awful plan when you can play to win while bringing the young guy along slowly. Derek Carr would immediately improve our offense and give our defense and running game a chance to carry us into the playoffs.

He was holding, arm wrapped around the dude Quit blaming the refs

But remember, they're not doing anything wrong, we're the real wrong ones for daring to point it out!

Absolutely This is a pretty consistent pattern with this fanbase (and other fanbases, too, I'm sure) and it will continue to get pointed out until people start confronting their implicit biases It wasn't a joke Ya'll got some introspection to do

It's curious how certain... types of QBs never seem to get proper credit, yet so many Buffalo fans are convinced that Josh Allen is the white guy to lead us to the promised land Oh oops I meant the right* guy, silly autocorrect

Grimes has been AWFUL tonight. Getting wrecked in both the pass and the run.

Playcalling has been questionable and windows have been super tight This game has been a rollercoaster

Grimes is getting dunked on tonight

Yeah, he needs that one back Godwin holding onto either of the first two TD passes puts them up by 1 as well

Well dang, Godwin finally hung onto one

Dude has been under a ton of pressure the whole time He's had a rough game but the Bucs have struggled in all phases

This game is painful. Bucs' depleted secondary getting clowned on, freak TOs leading to a Fitztragic meltdown, and Godwin can't hang onto the football. Blech.

Godwin needs to hang onto the ball That's 8 points plus a turnover that he's left on the field

He tilted after the 2nd INT and #12 has been rough all night Ya hate to see it

There are a weird number of Just-World, Prosperity-Gospelers on this board. Talent alone won't make you succeed. Hard work alone won't make you succeed. There are plenty of players as talented and as hard-working as Josh Allen that have washed out in this league because success is as dependent on organizational fit and dumb luck as it is on hard work and talent. Anyone remember Matt Flynn? Dude lit it up in multiple seasons as a backup for the Packers. Couldn't hack it anywhere else in the league. Talent and hard work won't save Josh Allen when his feet start getting happy, his arm misfires, or his desire to win causes him to throw balls he shouldn't. Great QBs have down years where either on a personal level or on a team level things don't gel. Mediocre QBs have great years where everything just clicks. We love to delude ourselves that we live in a world where things are fair and that they happen as they "should" happen. It isn't true. It's never been true.

They're clearly different players, but JA isn't clearly better He's got a better toolkit for sure but Manuel looked genuinely solid early on before defenses started seriously attacking his exploitable tendencies There is zero evidence so far that Allen will work out. Lots of evidence that he could be very good, but he's got a ton to work on first.

The Chargers recovered it It was trapped behind Edmunds' leg (not arm) when the Chargers player dove on it. Yeah there was a sea of Bills, but Edmunds' final position meant he couldn't actually get possession of it. The next/last clear shot we got of it (which was shown on the broadcast, btw) had a Bills player trying to rip it away from the Chargers player, who was by that point on his back.

3 drops of interceptable balls, too. Also, the "drops" you're referring too were almost all pretty difficult catches to make Allen's toolkit is remarkable. Dude is strong and his arm is a cannon. We'll see if he can put it all together.

twitch Cojones, hombre

People were wrong. Brown was a good MLB, and it's the exact same knock that people made about Poz, which was also wrong. Poz was better than Brown overall, but Brown was a perfectly fine MLB.

Yep. And it was proven in 2017 when a gutted Whaley roster was still able to squeak in despite not getting comparable replacement players. The premise of the OP is total nonsense, too. Of course keeping EVERYONE is often too expensive. Few people are asking to have kept everyone. Re-run the numbers sans Gilmore and Goodwin, and all of a sudden we have PLENTY of cap space. If those are the only two we lose, we're in great shape with the cap, have way fewer holes, and have no issues signing everyone we need to sign. Hell, I'll throw Glenn in there, since he had so much trouble staying on the field. All of a sudden we have 70+ cap space to sign 42 players (only 51 count), and since depth/ST players are generally JAGs and late-round picks making close to the vet minimum, we're in fantastic shape. Keeping everyone was a tall task. That doesn't make getting rid of everyone necessary.

Yeah but we have a new FO so we have to worship all of their moves which means completely purging from our memory the fact that both fan and national consensus pre (and during) Rex was that we were a decent coach away from being a consistent playoff team with our Whaley roster Whaley had flaws and whatever weird power struggles went on within our FO really didn't help things, but people pretending like he didn't build a roster of talented players are straight-up rationalizing to convince themselves that "the process" doesn't have an extremely high chance of being a long-term dumpster fire We're at Dicky J levels of roster talent right now. That took YEARS to fix. Even competent, experienced FOs don't hit on every draft pick and signing. McBeane haven't demonstrated that they are either of those things when it comes to talent acquisition.