Dawgg

First of all, let me say this is the best argument I have heard up until this point... but... Charles Haley ended up helping the Cowboys win 2 consecutive Super Bowls and was one of their most valuable pass rushers. Who did they beat in the championship both times? The 49ers. I am not familiar with the 49ers situation with Haley, nor am I claiming that Haley was the difference, but my real point here is that getting rid of a jerk doensn't translate to wins on the field, even in the long run. Fortunately for the 49ers, they were able to sign Deion for one year and propel themselves to a Super Bowl win. With regards to the Bengals, the Bengals were losers with Spikes and Dillon and they figured to be losers without. They were a young, inexperienced, horrible team that had no hope at a playoff run in the near future. So Marvin Lewis did some cleansing. 10 years ago, when Andy Reid took over, he did a similar round of cleansing. But that was not needed now. The Eagles are an experienced, veteran team thinking Super Bowl. Just like the Bulls did with Rodman, they could have grudgingly put up with it while enjoying the result: wins. Then, after the season, like the Vikings did a year ago, entertain trade offers for him. At least that way, they get something in return to make their team better. To say banishing TO in exchange for nothing is addition by subtraction is a stretch in my opinion.

And thus, coming full circle, McNabb was willing to sacrifice his team's chances of winning in order to remove a player he did not get along with. Not only is that unfair to the veterans on the team whose years are numbered, it is unfair to the fans who pay to watch the team day in and day out. It's easy for you people to say that from this vantage point as someone who doesn't really care about the Eagles (or TO for that matter). But if the Bills were Super Bowl contenders and they suddenly threw their best player off the team mid-season, would I be pissed off as an avid fan who pays for tickets? You bet.

Nah... you can only reach jock-sniffer status when you moderate a site that is centered around and dedicated to the Buffalo Bills. Some day....

Detrimental to the team... did his actions get in the way of the Eagles winning football games? Not one bit. In fact, TO was a major factor in all their games and in many cases was a dominant figure, propelling the team wins. How is that detrimental to the team? Isn't that the ultimate objective of the team? Win football games, keep the fans happy, and put an entertaining product out on the field. The Eagles were doing all 3 until they were not man enough to put TO in his place and deal with his antics.

In the long run??? How do you know that? That's like saying the Bills will be better off in the long run without Willis McGahee. Maybe they will, maybe not but we don't know the answer until we find a replacement. To say the Eagles are better off after losing 3 straight divisional games and knocking themselves out of the playoffs... I simply disagree.

He was saying it purely for entertainment purposes only People are quick to forget a few years back when Rob Johnson ripped into Doug Flutie during a Penthouse interview, saying he is selfish and a detriment to the team. They were teammates at the time. Flutie, like any professional, dealt with it.

The game is sold out.

Haha... he was horsing around all practice, as I would fully expect.

Team looks good, players are upbeat and confident. Hopefully that translates tomorrow.

So true...

There are approximately 60 players on that team. TO alienated one: Donovan McNabb. The remaining players for the most part remained neutral. The only one who was outspoken against him was that Hugh Douglas, who in my mind, needs to go away. He's a total moron who past his prime a long time ago.

Fletcher is the heart and soul of the defense. He always has been. On rare occassion, he makes a boneheaded play like a late hit... but far and away, he is a consistent force that we need out there on every single play.

You're right Terrell Owens did this to himself... McNabb did this to the team. This was a personal thing between McNabb and Owens. It didn't really affect anyone else on the team... and because McNabb wasn't man enough to suck it up, Eagles players were forced to take a side -- and of course, they had no choice but to side with McNabb because it's his way or the high way. But you can see the frustration coming out now... players are slowly starting to speak out that they would love to have Owens back, but of course, McNabb's mouth is shut... and it's a shame because Owens makes them a better team on the field. That matters to most players on that team, not Donovan F. McNabb.

Lee Evans, Josh Reed, Roscoe Parish That's three wide receivers in the first two rounds. How many offensive linemen in the first 2 rounds? ZERO. Comparing TD and Millen is like splitting hairs.

You see, that's the thing. McNabb did not show restraint. He pretty much gave up on TO and made it impossible for them to coexist. If he is truly a competitor, there's no way he wants TO off the team. Look at what he said after losing to an inferior Redskins team on a Sunday night: "We lost, but we lost as a team" That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. He basically admitted that he would rather lose than win with TO on board. True leaders have thick skin and put winning above all. TO never commited a crime and he has no off-field problems. Banning him from the team was not necessary by any means.

Agreed on that point, but McNabb made those comments in response to questions on whether or not he was excited that TO would suit up. Most franchise QBs would say that they are excited and that TO will provide a boost. Instead, Donovan trivialized TO's return and basically implied that he wasn't needed. Not only was he needed, he played a critical role in the game. And as irony would serve it, McNabb ended up crapping out because he was catching his breath in the huddle.

McNabb is no Jordan. He is not and should not be sheltered from criticism. Before the Super Bowl, McNabb basically openly said that the team didn't need TO and that they got there without him and should be able to win without him. TO rehabbed his butt off and played a great game risking further injury, while McNabb was running out of energy in the closing minutes of the game and had to struggle to catch his breath in the huddle.

I'm not going to claim that McKinnie is an all-pro. But he has proven to be an "adequate" left tackle in this league. Not dominant, but adequate. MW cannot even stay on the field as a tackle. I would rank them like this: McKinnie, Peters, MW. In defense of McNally, from the very beginning when he joined the Bills, he wanted to convert MW to guard but Bills brass didn't want to tinker witih the continuity they already had on the line.

MW is awesome. A pick well spent.

Badol, Please stop arguing your point, defend Mike Williams and talk about how McKinnie sucks. Otherwise, you might get kicked out.

If you actually kicked him out, that is pretty pathetic. Granted he is annoying, he was simply arguing his point against an overwhelming majority and for that, I salute him. You guys really need to lighten up. I enjoy this board and value it as part of my daily routine, but when I see people getting kicked out as a result of no real infraction, I start to wonder if this reallhy is a cheerleading squad. PS - I hope I don't get kicked out for this. Thanks

Coming into this game, he was the highest rated passer in the NFC at 95.

Couldn't agree more. Once upon a time, Michael Jordan, coming off 3 championships, embraced one of the biggest problem childs in sports: Dennis Rodman. Not only was Rodman disruptive from a team chemistry standpoint, he was a flat out freakshow and a jerk. But Jordan cared about one thing and one thing only: winning. McNabb this year has shown me one thing: he is a total loser. He, not TO, puts himself in front of the team. Because of his whining and pouting about TO's antics, the team suspended him and lost 3 divisional games in a row by a small margin. I lost a lot of respect for him that he couldn't man up and put up with TO because he helps that team win.

The below describes Josh Reed, not Moulds.

That does sound reasonable. In saying that Levy didnt like Moulds one bit, I was just trying to emphasize the point that Levy was unwilling / reluctant to give him a chance. In either case, it's kind of ludicrous to say that Moulds "derserves" what he got because of a lack of success in his first two years.